@EDX-0 Well I don't know much about autotools, but if you say cmake and autotools are both bloated, I can buy that thought process. Linux land is going towards bloat... so yeah

I am very glad that my oldest computer in my possession is 64 bit...

This being said, Debian devs really didn't need to change the framework so much that they needed to ditch 32 bit. What they should have done is stop bloating their system with redhat bloat  and similar instead.

@aitor cool, its about time

@rwall stable or testing?

And if unstable, that's why its happening. Its meant for developers lol.

@kapqa nitrokey is the best at the moment. completely open development. Not proprietary at all.

@kappa nitrokey is better  then yubikey according to what I have heard.  Its completely open source or if you prefer libre.

I think I might actually consider supporting this project. I still prefer Xenocara as an idea, but whatever.

My disdain for wayland is growing...

synaptic doesn't work in devuan/gnuinos.

@EDX-0 Is there a way to make it so that I only need to press up and down to scroll? Without shift I mean. for xterm

@aitor actually, what are your plans for gnuinos?

Do you plan to remove dbus, avahi, networkmanager,  pulseaudio, pipewire , polkit and wayland dependencies from as much stuff as possible? I assume this is just a bold  thought on my part, but I was curious on what your goals are besides the libre aspect,

I currently though have gnuinos on one of my SSDs though

NovaCustom and system76 or Nitrokey are good ones if you desire new hardware. Otherwise I would pick a librebootable t480/t480s or similar

@stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn Yes, but its still far better than the stock bios with intel me rammed completely open.

Devuan may not do as much as I would suggest to getting rid of bloat, but even getting rid of systemd is a good start anyhow.

As for what I would remove as dependencies from packages that don't need it? Well I could say, but its off topic for now. poetterware/redhatware/freedesktop.orgware is all I will say.

Anywho glad devuan exists anyhow.