systemd starting to store birthDate

unixuser · Today 09:38:54

...to suits american (and brazilian) laws.

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

No systemd distro soon illegals ? lol

tux_99 · Today 12:53:46

I'm not surprised that they would do that since systemd is essentially a corporate IBM/Redhat project and corporations of course will comply (corporations seem to be the drivers behind this anyway, I guess the ultimate aim is that doing anything on the internet without a verified ID tied to some government issued digital ID will be impossible, basically cinese-style total surveillance and social scoring...).

The problems for us without systemd will start when applications such as Firefox will start depending on systemd for this and possibly refuse to work without it ...

That will mean either patching these apps or creating something equivalent outside systemd to comply.

I would rather stop using the internet (or at least anything I can't access without this crap) than comply.

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Duke Nukem · Today 13:49:54

This is related to my post in the Devuan sub-forum which asked what Devuan was doing about this issue, if anything.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=62686

Verifying your entire ID may come later, but the immediate concern is just about age verification which became required at OS level in Brazil just a few days ago and will be required in some US states from some months ahead (from 2027 onwards?). I can imagine the rest of the world following - it would happen by default.

I don't think that Firefox will refuse to work without a verified age flag in your OS, instead it will only let you open a web page with the lowest age rating. There is talk of age bands like 0-13, 13-15, 15-18 and >18, and all web pages and software will need to be age rated for this system to work, like films are. You be unable to download software above your age rating, which is likely to apply to games. If your OS cannot return an age rating when interrogated for it, it will assume you are in the lowest age band.

Systemd may be one way of implementing age rating, but it cannot be the only way because Windows, MacOS also need to comply.

As for who is behind this, the consensus seems to be Meta. Currently in the UK, the effect (since July 2025) of the age verification required by the Online Safety Act is that individual websites are requiring verification on a user-by-user basis. You are supposed to send a shot of you passport, driving licence, or give your credit card details to any site you visit that wants to see it - even harmless hobby websites are doing this because they are scared, not just p0rn sites. These sites are employing contractors, typically in India, to look though your passport etc (no security risk there then), and it costs them money. Meta don't want that expense which is why they want the verification to be shifted to the OS level.

This is my understanding of where we are heading, but I hope I'm wrong. This will be the end of the free internet and of small and amateur hobby websites because of the cost and bureaucracy of getting an age rating. The web will shrink into walled controlled gardens like Facebook, and the former Compuserve and MSN.

EDX-0 · Today 13:51:21

is not like a compliant daemon for the american laws is any hard to write, there's this one for example https://github.com/majestrate/aged

and i may write my own just in case that goes a step further and sets a default birthday if none exists, i just haven't decided yet if the default should be september 11 2001 or january 20 1953, Jeffrey Epstein's birthday, as it seems everyone pushing for age verification online is either a friend, client or investor of jeffrey epstein.

edit: i may go with the Jeffrey Epstein birthday, what i'm worriying more about is the name for the daemon, which sounds better "agestein-island" or "agestein-daemon" ?

edit: just thought another one "Virtual Jeffrey Epstein Age Daemon" whichs shortens to vjead

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trinidad · Today 15:47:09

August 9 1945. MS, Google and Apple are never going to surrender their access to user data.

TC

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EDX-0 · Today 16:48:33

nah, the age verification daemon must be themed after jeffrey epstein, there's no one whom governments and age verification pushers will trust more on werether someone is underage or not than jeffrey epstein, with only a "virtual" jeffrey epstein coming in second in that level of trust.

tux_99 · Today 17:19:30

Any date you choose will be a persistent parameter that will allow fingerprinting and therefore together with other parameters tracking you.

The only date of birth that would avoid this is one that gets randomly generated each time it's requested (or at least at each reboot), so it's never the same date.

But it should be obvious to anyone that the current legislation is only an initial stepping stone since the date can be faked easily, within a year or two the laws will be changed to allow only verified dates that are cryptographically signed by some authority so that you can no longer fake it.

This is only to get people used to the idea, so they can expand upon it in the coming years. Classic boiling the frog slowly strategy.

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blackhole · Today 18:27:27

This is clearly the result of corporate lobbying by "Big Tech" to push much of the world onto Microsoft, google, Apple, etc, accounts.

As you can see, the systemd sellouts are more than willing to implement this, but ultimately, just as they sold out when it came to secureboot, the likes of IBM/Red Hat and Canonical will sell out again. The Linux Foundation sold their souls many years ago - so I can honestly see "Sign into Ubuntu with your Microsoft account" eventually becoming a reality.

The aim here is "prove you're an adult" and to do that they will get your data and track all of your activity - that's the sad reality of where this is going. "The children" is, as ever, the pretext, coming from billionaires who have only ever cared about profit and never about children, nor anyone else for that matter.

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EDX-0 · Today 18:41:03

oh government officials and billionares care for children, but only for the children they can use to satisfy their depravity, after all government and tech are ruled by the epstein class.

greenjeans · Today 20:24:35

oh government officials and billionares care for children, but only for the children they can use to satisfy their depravity, after all government and tech are ruled by the epstein class.

Too true. The idea that Cali politicians and the wealthy that own them actually care about children would be laughable if it weren't so horrible and evil.

Zero chance i'll comply with their absurd demands, and any crap that comes from upstream with unwanted big brother garbage in it will get chopped on and re-written before it gets installed on one of my machines.

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