The seitan conundrum

zapper · 2022-02-21 02:55:10

golinux wrote:

Hoas . . . Wake up! There is no "data" that does not have confirmation bias because humans collect and interpret it. Humans are quite selfish, deluded and unreliable creatures. Data is most often used as a weapon to manipulate and control populations to create fear (mostly of death) but also to increase desire. It is pure marketing genius. Marshall McLuhan understood this decades ago. It is a capitalist's wet dream . . .
I just live my life happily and ignore the farce of human stupidity.

This reminds me of my favorite idea of a commercial...

Capitalism! Is proudly sponsored by...

Sociopaths
Lemmings
Sheep
Nazis
Calvinists

Because what kind of person would support a system, that doesn't care about morality, but if the means to an end is achieved...

All of whom, don't really grasp their own foolishness, beyond even just this existence...

My point being... The West in particular is destroying the world and its credibility when it comes to being wise at the same time...

So yeah... I agree with you... although for rather different reasons.

Humans have been and always will be, in need of some sort of savior in my opinion...

Otherwise, the destructive cycle would not only be perpetuated, but I am pretty sure it would have taken only a tiny fraction of the time that it has taken for the unhealthy emissions to do as much damage as they have done.

That being said, no government system by itself works 100% of the time...

A blend of ideas is needed...

Too far to the right? Fascism is coming!

too far to the left? Chaos is coming...

Although, I do think the only countries that come close to understanding balance, are European ones...

The socialism bogey man is no reason to go so far to the right, that you have something called Fascist Capitalism...

Crazy stuff there...

golinux · 2022-02-21 19:29:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

golinux wrote:
There is no "data" that does not have confirmation bias because humans collect and interpret it.
For the first paper to which I linked the data in question was the children's height, weight and arm circumference. Any claims of misinterpretation in respect of such data are clearly ridiculous.
Perhaps actually read the paper and offer substantive criticisms of the methods instead?

HoaS . . . I have been mulling this over and then the lights went on . . .

WRT children's height, weight and arm circumference . . . The baseline assumptions made in any study guarantee bias in the results. Where did the data of "normal" height, weight and arm circumference etc. come from? From kids who were fed the SAD diet which leads to obesity, diabetes etc? Or data from a culture that eats in a different way like Asian countries?

And no I haven't read the paper . . .

Head_on_a_Stick · 2022-02-21 19:45:45

golinux wrote:

Where did the data of "normal" height, weight and arm circumference etc. come from? From kids who were fed the SAD diet which leads to obesity, diabetes etc? Or data from a culture that eats in a different way like Asian countries?

There is no assumption of "normal" height, weight or arm circumference in the paper. The study looks at the change in measurements over time as referenced against the standard growth curves. Of particular interest is the observation of catch-up growth after the children were taken off the strict macrobiotic diet and placed on a more balanced regimen.

golinux · 2022-02-21 20:21:27

Ah, so the data source is WHO Child Growth Standards. And just who has their fingers in the WHO pie? Bill Gates among others all who have agendas. Every human endeavor has bias. It is inevitable and as varied as there are organizations and individuals.

You are fun to play with HoaS!

/me sends a hug to HoaS

Head_on_a_Stick · 2022-02-21 20:34:47

Right back at you golinux. Perhaps with some social distancing though

golinux · 2022-02-21 21:08:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Right back at you golinux. Perhaps with some social distancing though

Of course. I'm still masking up when I venture into the world . . . which isn't often . . . .

zapper · 2022-02-22 02:08:51

golinux wrote:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Right back at you golinux. Perhaps with some social distancing though
Of course. I'm still masking up when I venture into the world . . . which isn't often . . . .

Very wise, its good to know that Wisdom exists still in this world.

MiyoLinux · 2022-02-22 03:42:55

Seriously?

1. Why do you wear a mask?

2. What type of mask do you wear?

3. Have you been vaccinated?

4. If so, why?

5. If you have been vaccinated (I have by the way), do you understand what the vaccine covers?

6. What type of mask are you wearing?

From your jolly Devil's Advocate

golinux · 2022-02-22 04:17:30

Do you really want to go there?

MiyoLinux wrote:

Seriously?

Yes

1. Why do you wear a mask?

Just because it's the latest fashion statement . . .

2. What type of mask do you wear?

KN95

3. Have you been vaccinated?

No, no and never

4. If so, why?

I've spent the last 25 years vocally opposing genetic modification in any form. It would be unthinkable. Why would I jeopardize my good health? This isn't much incentive . . .

5. If you have been vaccinated (I have by the way), do you understand what the vaccine covers?

I know that Moderna's and Pfizer's asses have been covered by immunity for damages from their little experiment.

6. What type of mask are you wearing?

Short term memory problems?

zapper · 2022-02-22 04:39:33

golinux wrote:

Do you really want to go there?
MiyoLinux wrote:
Seriously?
Yes
1. Why do you wear a mask?
Just because it's the latest fashion statement . . .
2. What type of mask do you wear?
KN95
3. Have you been vaccinated?
No, no and never
4. If so, why?
I've spent the last 25 years vocally opposing genetic modification in any form. It would be unthinkable. Why would I jeopardize my good health? This isn't much incentive . . .
5. If you have been vaccinated (I have by the way), do you understand what the vaccine covers?
I know that Moderna's and Pfizer's asses have been covered by immunity for damages from their little experiment.
6. What type of mask are you wearing?
Short term memory problems?

And... you lost me...

Masks are good for blocking covid-19, don't get me wrong...

But until there is an organic way to block covid-19, which I really think will take a long time, especially because of *cough big *cough pharma *cough plus *cough their * cough dumb *cough patents *cough

Putting emphasis on how idiotic patents are in general, especially for stuff that humans need to stay alive, etc...

Anything found in nature, used to save lives, treat a aliment or ingested, or used on a person, should NEVER ever be under any restrictions of patents.

It's just plain stupid.

But all that being said, until this happens, we are stuck with Moderna or some other vaccine... which btw, if you can, avoid Pfizer's.

Moderna seems to be the one so far that has the least problems... especially with certain versions of covid-19.

Although, I try to avoid gmos whenever possible and crappy ingredients in general...

Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.

Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.

So... its extremely difficult.

Haven't gotten it yet myself, but I prefer to air on caution despite the problems with GMO crap.

At least till a better option arrives.

Very Important side note btw:

I hope you don't regret not getting vaccinated, too many people have died due to this virus.

Which btw, will never disappear, thanks to the freedom ___----- people

Btw, for the antivaxxers if any exist here:

Your freedom ends where mine starts, aka, if I don't want your virus, it is my right!

Meaning, mask up or get the vaccine or both and don't be a self indulgent jackass...

I swear, people these days, have lost their sense of sanity and think their freedom means being able to force their bs ideals on everyone else as well as restricting their dissenters/enemies.

Madness... pure madness.

Btw, this is not all directed at you Golinux, just up until the freedom ___----- people.

Btw, if your wondering why I did this:

___-----

Think of someone who is the butt of jokes and then realize, that the ___ is 3 letters, and the ----- is 5 letters...

You get the idea...

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golinux · 2022-02-22 05:22:07

zapper wrote:

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But until there is an organic way to block covid-19 . . .

Dream on . . . the next oopsie will likely be worse because humans never learn.

Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.

Yes, many have no choice.

Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.
So... its extremely difficult.

Yes, this is true for 99.9% of the population. But if I am not mingling in society (for which I have little use), the risk of getting COVID is extremely low.

Take a deep breath . . . Let's stop the COVID nonsense here. Please . . .

Kelsoo · 2022-02-22 12:50:45

golinux wrote:

Hey Kelsoo . . . it's been a while, Nice to see you. ...............
Wishing you good health !

Thanks. I visit here most days.

The biggest disease on the planet is not covid. It's centralised social media, it's data collection and it's use. Many have been sold a system where convenience comes with the price of free thought. Each click separates us more and more because profit has no conscience, they don't care on which side of a debate you're so long as you click. CSM needs a cure fast because it poisons the whole of society. Life choices are not so binary and way more subtle. Removing this poison allows all to move towards a more common ground.

From one to satan to another :-)

I recall going on anti GMO demos 20 years a go, ripping up plants from the test fields. Generally folk created such a stink that GMO are quite mistrusted here in the UK and the market opportunities less. Cheese is the one place I see things labelled as GMO. As for organics for the last 20 years I'm fortunate enough to have access to a one acre organic garden similar orchard and 12 acres of woodland. My diet has a very high percentage of organic veg and is GMO free.

I'm familiar with older varieties of wheat - spelt etc. Oats and rice I can stomach both are gluten free. I used to be the main "bread maker" and loved experimenting. We used to buy organic dried goods in bulk. 25KG bags. But since my illness we've had to reduced the volume.

I tend to use potatoes as my main form of carbohydrate. We have one of the best sources of seed potatoes in all of Scotland just down the road and usually grow enough to not have to buy any all year. Pink fir apple is a gem of a potato. https://www.rhsplants.co.uk/plants/_/po … 000006319/

MiyoLinux · 2022-02-22 13:20:20

golinux wrote:

Do you really want to go there?
MiyoLinux wrote:
Seriously?
Yes
1. Why do you wear a mask?
Just because it's the latest fashion statement . . .
2. What type of mask do you wear?
KN95
3. Have you been vaccinated?
No, no and never
4. If so, why?
I've spent the last 25 years vocally opposing genetic modification in any form. It would be unthinkable. Why would I jeopardize my good health? This isn't much incentive . . .
5. If you have been vaccinated (I have by the way), do you understand what the vaccine covers?
I know that Moderna's and Pfizer's asses have been covered by immunity for damages from their little experiment.
6. What type of mask are you wearing?
Short term memory problems?

Hahaha! Good answers!

The sissy-little cloth masks offer little to no "protection", other than making others "feel" safe around the people wearing them.

I've always been healthy. My wife and son had Corona, were at home for 10 days, and I never caught it. No, they didn't wear masks or stay confined in a single room during their "isolation"...nor did I. However, I never caught it from them.

However, my job required for me to get the vaccine(s).

My eyesight (which was already bad) immediately got worse after getting vaccinated....plus another unmentionable side-effect.

By the way, the vaccines don't protect one from contracting the virus; they will only supposedly help lessen the effects of the virus once contracted.

My best to you golinux!

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alexkemp · 2022-02-22 14:22:27

My wife and son had Corona, were at home for 10 days, and I never caught it.

Yup. That's what Typhoid Mary said. But of course you are special, are you not?

MiyoLinux · 2022-02-22 14:43:19

alexkemp wrote:

My wife and son had Corona, were at home for 10 days, and I never caught it.
Yup. That's what Typhoid Mary said. But of course you are special, are you not?

Typhoid Mary said that she had a wife and son with Corona, and they were at home for 10 days, but she never caught it?

Dude...I was just giving my story.

...but you're right. I am special.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2022-02-22 15:00:18

@Miyo: sorry but I'm not in the mood. You can stop baiting now.

blackhole · 2022-02-22 15:34:02

At LQ there was a moratorium on covid topics - and quite rightly so. I'm wise enough to keep my opinions on it to myself...

But any covid thread quickly deteriorates into social media style puerile squabbles, both sides waving supposed "facts" around, neither side actually having a clue. Not worth all the trouble.

golinux · 2022-02-22 15:35:17

Kelsoo wrote:

golinux wrote:
Hey Kelsoo . . . it's been a while, Nice to see you. ...............
Wishing you good health !
Thanks. I visit here most days.

The biggest disease on the planet is not covid. It's centralised social media, it's data collection and it's use . . .

Actually the disease of human hubris and stupidity is the cause of both those problems.

I recall going on anti GMO demos 20 years a go, ripping up plants from the test fields . . .

Good for you! I never went the route of direct action but instead, that of words. My site which collected documentation and news stories was #1 in google rankings for almost 10 years. Scotland is holding the GMO line but the rest of UK not so much. The administrative battle with word-twisting continues at the regulatory level. In that game, the bad guys always get their way eventually and I no longer have the stomach for it.

We used to buy organic dried goods in bulk. 25KG bags. But since my illness we've had to reduced the volume.

I still buy bulk but also may have to readjust because I just can't eat that much at my ago.

I tend to use potatoes as my main form of carbohydrate. We have one of the best sources of seed potatoes in all of Scotland just down the road and usually grow enough to not have to buy any all year. Pink fir apple is a gem of a potato.

Yeah . . . I do a lot of potatoes too but almost impossible to find decent ones here. Lucky you to have Pink Fir Apple! /me high-fives the Scots!

MiyoLinux · 2022-02-22 15:38:47

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

@Miyo: sorry but I'm not in the mood. You can stop baiting now.

Scared; say scared.

Seriously though...

I wasn't baiting. I gave my story (which testifies against the normal information).

I was responded to, so I tried to have a little fun with it in order to lighten things up.

I may contract Covid today. Who knows?

I wasn't attempting to dispell or lessen the effects of Covid (nor the people affected). I mean...good grief...my wife, son, and daughter have contracted it.

Have I lost people close to me from Covid? Yes.

So, if you thought that I was baiting, I apologize.

...but it's true. I'm special.

golinux · 2022-02-22 15:39:56

MiyoLinux wrote:

By the way, the vaccines don't protect one from contracting the virus; they will only supposedly help lessen the effects of the virus once contracted.

Exaaaactly . . . and it turns them into walking Petri dishes . . .

My best to you golinux!

Back attacha!

golinux · 2022-02-22 15:41:28

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

@Miyo: sorry but I'm not in the mood. You can stop baiting now.

Having a bad day HoaS?

/me sends another hug . . .

golinux · 2022-02-22 15:44:07

blackhole wrote:

But any covid thread quickly deteriorates into social media style puerile squabbles, both sides waving supposed "facts" around, neither side actually having a clue. Not worth all the trouble.

Lighten up . . . just old friends catching up and having some fun . . .

MiyoLinux · 2022-02-22 16:45:17

golinux wrote:

Exaaaactly . . . and it turns them into walking Petri dishes . . .

From what I've studied...with the latest strain of Covid, people who have been vaccinated suffer worse symptoms than those who aren't vaccinated. So, it doesn't look good for me if I catch it.

golinux wrote:

Back attacha!

miyolinux wrote:

So, it doesn't look good for me if I catch it.

...but I'm special n'stuff, so I should be okay!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

zapper · 2022-02-22 17:19:24

golinux wrote:

zapper wrote:
[edited]
But until there is an organic way to block covid-19 . . .
Dream on . . . the next oopsie will likely be worse because humans never learn.
Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.
Yes, many have no choice.
Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.
So... its extremely difficult.
Yes, this is true for 99.9% of the population. But if I am not mingling in society (for which I have little use), the risk of getting COVID is extremely low.
Take a deep breath . . . Let's stop the COVID nonsense here. Please . . .

To your first point, you are right, because corporations will probably fight to make that as hard as possible.

To your second point, that is wise to stay far away from society.

To your third point, I mean its not nonsense, but I guess we can drop the subject from here on out.

Not like I am going to change people's minds...

So... yeah...

Stay safe and don't die.

Also, side note, to your first point also, yeah... humanity has massive problems with perceived ideas, even if the perception seems right to them, it could be completely false.

Brainwashing is a thing... I consider it to be prevelant throughout politics, one party is worse imo and you know which it is, but both are very bad currently.

But as I listed above, this probably won't change anyones mind, so w/e

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alexkemp · 2022-02-22 19:41:07

MiyoLinux wrote:

alexkemp wrote:
My wife and son had Corona, were at home for 10 days, and I never caught it.
Yup. That's what Typhoid Mary said.
Dude...I was just giving my story

Typhoid Mary also refused to accept what the doctors said (with hindsight, that she was an asymptomatic carrier of Typhoid) and thus killed most of her employers (she was employed as a cook, and Typhoid is water-borne).

I simply wanted to point out that you could also be an asymptomatic carrier, this time of Covid-19, so that you could quietly do the decent thing & go get yourself tested so that (if true) you do not infect & kill hundreds of other innocent parties. Or, deploy your raging ego as a scimitar to destroy those unvaccinated around you. Such a difficult choice.

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