AI and programming.

liquibyte · Yesterday 20:50:03

What's everyone's thoughts about this post by golinux? Should AI be allowed to help programmers with research or tricky bits of code or should it strictly be verboten? I find that it's a great research tool but apparently some people are dead set against it.

golinux · Yesterday 21:52:39

If you know anything of human history, the pattern is to create new tools/toys which eventually come to bite us badly. That is because humans are fatally flawed in their judgment and motivations. What is needed is a transformation of the human mind from never-ending pursuits of froth and foam that keeps us running in place and repeating the same blunders over and over . . .

IOW . . . we need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot!

Perhaps we are what we eat but we definitely become what we think. All the Sci-Fi I read in the 50s is now horrifyingly manifested in our daily life.

We need deep wisdom not a roller coaster of titillation with shiny new s**t to survive the future that is on our doorstep . . .

liquibyte · Yesterday 22:37:04

Bro, it's a tool. It's a really useful one too if you control it. I get the fear because for all of human history anything new and good has been used by those in power to control others. Did you say that very thing when the internet came about? Look what they've done to that. We could make amazing things with a computer program as powerful as that and release it to the masses for free for anyone and maybe even better than what exists in the walled gardens. Imagine Linux with a 90% share on the desktop. That's all I'm saying, it's a dead useful tool and if we don't do good with it bad and greedy people will control the world with it. I used it to figure out how to integrate Compton and WPEWebkit into my program and I'm rather pleased with how things worked out. Manually doing that research would have taken me another decade to work out. The code is mine but asking the right questions really steered me to faster results. Am I a bad person for asking for ideas and a little help with the integration path?

golinux · Today 00:19:45

I am just attempting to make you aware that "sleeping with the enemy" is a dangerous gambit that could easily have catastrophic consequences for "freedom" and you, personally. Digital knowledge and skills are quickly lost if not used repeatedly. Imagine a future that due reliance on AI solutions, humans lose their ability to effectively control their digital devices? Game over.

Altoid · Today 01:20:10

Hello:

liquibyye wrote:

... a tool. It's a really useful one too if you control it.

Yes, it is indeed a tool.
A badly thought out / designed one.
And yours is also a huge "if".

I'd say it is already running amok.
And as no one bothers to control anything, soon there will be no control possible.
So it will get worse.

golinux wrote:

... deep wisdom not a roller coaster of titillation with shiny new s**t to survive the future ...

+1

Best,

A.

greenjeans · Today 01:28:26

“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so”
~Shakespeare

golinux · Today 01:35:40

The mind is the source of all our woes . . .

greenjeans · Today 01:39:09

The mind is the source of all our woes . . .

And the source of all our joys. I choose joy.

“We create most of our suffering, so it should be logical that we also have the ability to create more joy. It simply depends on the attitudes, the perspectives, and the reactions we bring to situations and to our relationships with other people. When it comes to personal happiness there is a lot that we as individuals can do.”

~His holiness the Dalai Lama the 14th in the Book of Joy

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golinux · Today 02:06:14

The Dali Lama is right. All of our "suffering" is self-inflicted. Being able to maintaining emotionally "neutrality" toward whatever comes your way is quite liberating!

IamThatIam · Today 02:17:17

I fully disagree with golinux on this. I think that if you are using the AI as a tool and are acting as a software designer or architect and keeping a schematic with blueprints of your software, intelligent questions for the AI, and with a specific design, and also keeping records of what you are doing then there is nothing wrong with using AI to make coding more efficient. I think alot of people will come up with niche clique ideologies to be an elitist and will turn everything to its extreme and try to say if it is bad for AI to be in control of all of our sotware then AI must be bad in all situations and circumstances and for any purpose. I disagree. I think this is just being an extremist and truly a software fascist as well as an elitist. There is nobody stopping people from deciding not to use AI. It isn't being forced upon you necessarily. There is nobody saying that using AI means letting it do everything and not having an intelligent designer in control of the AI. I think when we start making everything into its extreme polarity like that then we fall victim to the ideologies of the brown shirts in Germany way back when. People need to think for themselves and use common sense, and stop letting other people tell you how to think. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that using AI makes coding more efficient and faster and it also does not take a rocket scientist to know that you cannot let AI be in control when coding nor can you use AI and code without being the intelligent designer who keeps records, backup copies, and uses a schematic with intelligent prompts and questions. Everything must be intelligently thought out first and put on paper before you start using AI to code otherwise it is going to do things you do not want it to do. Also I would not use cloud based AI if I could help it. Claude and Grok are not so bad but localized is always better because you can control it and tell it what to do. I would say Enoch is a good way to go. Be the programmer and the designer and not the one just using someone else's service.

greenjeans · Today 02:36:38

Oh yeah!

blackhole · Today 07:51:40

What many of you fail to realise is that it's all for profit. "AI" is just the last product from Big Tech, it is being heavily invested in, it's a bubble and it will burst at some point. It exists to make money for shareholders. But the immense amount of hype surrounding it, means that your boss is slowly becoming convinced that it can do your job. It probably can't - or maybe it can do aspects of your job well enough, that you can be laid off. You can then run along and babble about "AI" geing a great "tool", while the billionaires laugh at the real "tools" who bought into it all.

As Altoid said, it will run amok, because as with everything else, the risks are all acceptable, and the "running amok" is actually part of the plan - we're now at the stage where the big players want it regulated, so that they can maintain ownership, control and exclude competition. To be seen as viable "AI", and boost share value, LLMs are going to need be "headline news".

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