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EDX-0

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Registered: 2020-12-12

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word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

from the mouth of Jorge Castro flathub org member, and the motion has support from reddit users.

if he ain't just bullshitting then anyone whom depends on software only available through flatpaks will have to help maintaining a fork of flatpak that does not depend on systemd and maybe even a repository of builds of flatpaks that do not need systemd, maybe even a fork of the whole of flathub.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments … n_systemd/

steve_v

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Registered: 2018-01-11

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Re: word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

Does anyone care? Flatpak is nothing but a cunning device for turning [user laziness] into [profit for storage device manufacturers].
The only "universal package format" worth a dime right now is AppImage, and even that is of thoroughly dubious benefit when build-from-source is (and ever will-be) a thing.

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golinux

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Re: word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

What the heck is flatpak?

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blackhole

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Re: word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

Flatpak is Flatpack, but if you leave the c out it's way cooler and the fanbois love that...

Last edited by blackhole (2026-05-24 19:18:06)

ruenoak

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Re: word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

I use a few Flatpaks and same for Appimages for the software I need the latest versions for. They are convenient way to get new software and I am kind of neutral about these package formats as long as they work and don't blow up mys system!
If Flatpaks go the ways of hard coding systemd then so be it, I wont use them.

What I find disappointing is the lock in walled garden attitude by certain groups in FOSS regarding software, and the gaslighting when you question it. This in my mind is opposite to the spirit of FOSS and sounds more like the world of closesource to me.

Also what worries me is this attitude seems to be growing, and has taken on a very political stance in recent years. I have never thought of my software as left, right, up or down or any other angle!
We are creating two camps that over time will become incompatible with each other. As the saying goes United we stand divided we fall.

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pcalvert

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Re: word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

Flatpak is something that I had already decided that I am not going to use, and this development helps confirm that my decision was a good one.

A possible alternative to Flatpak is Nix, the package manager for NixOS. Although NixOS uses systemd, Nix can be made to work without it. For example, on Alpine Linux it works with OpenRC.

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Re: word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

Great post @ruenoak!

Off-topic: I also am fond of all those things in your signature, but I do try to be Chaotic Good when I can.

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Re: word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd

This should be no big surprise. In the end it's all Redhat stuff, isn't? I mean as far as I understand they "own" systemd, Gnome, Wayland (?), flatpak, util-linux ... 80% of the relevant Linux user space?