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zapper

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GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-Way … temd-Focus

Immediately found this out when browsing distrowatch.

As some people know, I find this to be completely stupid and flat out arrogant.

The cheek one must have to doing stuff like this is immense.

Then again, corporations love this kind of cheek... so yeah.

Thoughts anyone?

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brocashelm

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

Too bad no one forked GTK2. GNOME's developers are really abhorrent people (and that's putting it nicely).

At least X11Libre exists -- so far, Artix GNU/Linux already has it packaged, and the AUR also has a build.

Camtaf

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Registered: 2019-11-19

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

I don't use Gnome, never have, & I don't like systemd either, so no worries as far as I'm concerned.

Altoid

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Registered: 2017-05-07

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

Hello:

This will make it harder to run GNOME on operating systems without systemd.

Hmm ...

A huge loss ...
A truly huge loss indeed. :^(

A.

zapper

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

@Camtaf gnome is a waste yes. Although, most of  the  DEs except LXDE, XFCE4 and LUMINA look awful and are bloated garbage.

And have unneeded dependencies...

This being said, I just cannot stand that level of arrogance. Such a-holes.

@brocashelm Agree with all of that. I just hope XLIBRE isn't tainted by the ideology of the person developing it. He supposedly is a fascist, I hope he keeps his views out of his project.

I don't trust him too much. But then I don't trust GNOME or Redhat devs either. So... yeah.

Corporate rulers = bad

Fascism = awful

I will have to see how this future progresses to know whether xlibre is any good.  Although, Xenocara also exists and I tend  to think that might be a better option. Besides which, it works in Hyperbola. Except pledge and unveil of course.

Time will tell...

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brocashelm

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

I just hope XLIBRE isn't tainted by the ideology of the person developing it. He supposedly is a fascist, I hope he keeps his views out of his project.

Seems like he keeps much of his views out of the project, so "both sides" can be happy about that. What, because the Code of Conduct page says "404", that makes him a "fascist"? Or someone who's just tired of all the GNOMEsense (pronounced "nonsense")? For what it's worth, I agree with him on most of his personal politics (especially the risks of the mRNA jabs, which I am glad I never got) and would be really disappointed if he was just LARPing all along.

But, that's another topic for another day. This is about the software, not what we personally think of the author. I'll gladly prefer him over some mentally ill cross dresser doing everything in his power to stifle the GNU/Linux desktop experience. A lot of of us have had enough of that. It's already conflicting there are anti-Wayland folks who don't mind Systemd. They should be cautious of both.

Although, Xenocara also exists and I tend  to think that might be a better option.

OpenBSD's Xenocara is already experimenting with Wayland.

Last edited by brocashelm (2025-06-16 21:31:24)

zapper

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

@brocashelm I don't know if or when they will embrace wayland.

Its possible you are right, but I don't know yet. I am undecided on what I think will happen with that.

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Devarch

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

if or when they will embrace wayland

What is wrong with Wayland? I use Wayland because only Wayland is able to scale all apps correctly even those that cannot be scaled with qt or gtk scale.

yurimodin

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

What is wrong with Wayland? I use Wayland because only Wayland is able to scale all apps correctly even those that cannot be scaled with qt or gtk scale.

Most of the accessibility stuff is waaaaay behind. Screen readers, on screen keyboards, etc. That said I have been using Wayland on my gaming machine because.....shiny.

Camtaf

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

I've got Wayland running on my RPi5, so far, the only problem I've had is with touch screens...so I'm willing to stick with it on this SBC, but tend to stick with using Xorg on most of my other machines, (& as noted, Xenocara on OpenBSD).

fanderal

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

A few days ago...

Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre!
Updated: June 13, 2025
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xlibre.html

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

hat-tip to @fanderal for referencing:

https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xlibre.html

always enjoy dedoimedo and "turdling" was a big rotflmao. priceless.

snippet:

I do not hate Wayland. I have no personal beef with it. I don't really care. I'm not a developer. I am not bothered by software. It's a means to an end.

What I don't like is ANY, I repeat ANY software solution that champions mediocrity.

For example, Skype 8 over Skype 7. Microsoft removed the sane desktop-oriented Skype 7, which let you do multiple chat windows at the same time, and replaced it with a pseudo-touch "modern" turdling that could not do this thing, and many other things. New solution, inferior to old solution. Missing functionality. The end user suffers. Simple.

indeed...sigh.

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Devarch

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

Most of the accessibility stuff is waaaaay behind. Screen readers, on screen keyboards, etc. That said I have been using Wayland on my gaming machine because.....shiny.

Yes. Screen keyboard, correct scaling, different scaling factors for different displays connected simultaneously.

https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xlibre.html

Interesting.

Andre4freedom

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Registered: 2017-11-15

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Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

Wayland breaks professional software, that's bad enough:

https://linuxiac.com/kicad-advises-linu … cb-design/

I used kicad quite a lot. So wayland is a no. X is and will be.