[SOLVED] Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) Released as Next Testing!

Nili · 2021-08-21 08:54:56

New update, today the daedalus-name repo is in use. I successfully passed to the next testing with a single line edit.

# Installed Date 13-08-2020 (stable)
# Upgraded Testing Date 20-08-2020 (chimaera)
# deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (beowulf) amd64 - netinstall 20200526]/ beowulf contrib main non-free
# Upgraded from chimaera testing to daedalus testing on 23-08-2021

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free contrib

With 400 packages i passed for 3min on the next testing.

By the way OS still says "Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera)" regardless transition went successfully.
I believe the naming should be adjusted on the way.

As impatient as I am, i re-edit myself with nano "/etc/devuan_version", "/etc/issue", "/etc/issue.net" and "/etc/os-release". Of course these will be change when we get the official release name.

 ████ nili@devuan
 ████ Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)
 ████ 1:12
 ████ 5.10.46-4
 ████ openbsd-cwm
 ████ 41°C
 ████ 665
 ████ 911M/3.9G 23%

So far my current Devuan Testing says.

Linux tokia 5.10.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.46-4 (2021-08-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux

I see daedalus-testing more faster then chimaera-testing when launch apps. Booting speed seems FAST! on both versions.

70MB startup up to CWM.
Awesome Testing Release!

Last edited by Nili (2021-09-09 06:40:52)

multios · 2021-09-07 15:48:31

I just upgraded chimaera to daedalus this morning. Upgrade went smoothly.
Must agree, awesome! System does boot faster for me also.
Great job devs!

My only problem, is I can't use Thunderbird yet since it's not up to what I'm using on Slackware current, so can't use those files.
Nothing major, got other ways to do email

GlennW · 2021-09-07 23:46:00

Hi, I'm using Daedalus on my asus R552jv laptop and my main box and it's working quite well. I was interested in seeing and using the latest kde.
One point, I just added Daedalus to my sources list and upgraded, I still have chimaera and beowulf in there too (just for a few packages, like fslint), it's like a rolling release now on my systems (reminds me of my pclinux daze).

I'm prepared to do a full re-install when required. I'm enjoying the new versions an have had no problems, thank you.

berni51 · 2021-09-08 08:44:02

Please excuse my silly question: Did you simply upgrade to Daedalus by changing the repository?
Or is there a Daedalus boot image available to build the system from scratch?

Clueless, Berni

Nili · 2021-09-08 09:35:03

Yes, i did by simply change repository from chimaera to daedalus.

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free contrib

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free contrib

Official images are here
https://files.devuan.org/
I haven't seen the Daedalus ISO on this pages so far, i believe because it is too early.

Congratulations to the passers on the next adventures

berni51 · 2021-09-08 17:28:14

Thx, I'll try it now.

zapper · 2021-09-09 05:27:43

Nili wrote:

Yes, i did by simply change repository from chimaera to daedalus.
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free contrib
Official images are here
https://files.devuan.org/
I haven't seen the Daedalus ISO on this pages so far, i believe because it is too early.
Congratulations to the passers on the next adventures

Wow, you guys were mega fast in getting Devuan chimaera out...

I am surprised.

I remember when it took two years or one year after the release for it to come out. Aka, Devuan Jessie and Devuan Ascii.

I am glad init freedom projects remain alive.

berni51 · 2021-09-09 07:40:50

Don't be suprised, @zapper.

Off course my Beowulf- and Chimaera machines will be untouched, but an Alpha-installation with Daedalus on an external SSD is quite nice. A good toy for gray and boring autumn evenings, which will come soon.

Regards
Berni (just preparing a SSD)

nixer · 2021-09-09 10:51:14

Yes, i did by simply change repository from chimaera to daedalus.

One of the easiest, if not the absolute easiest dist-upgrades that I have ever done. The speed increase (responsiveness) was very noticeable. If my ceres install was not working so well, I would be in daedalus right now, (-;

Nili · 2021-09-09 11:02:02

I personally used Chimaera-testing for a whole year 2020-2021. Therefore, i have been with chimaera a bit early, for a year i tested it and enjoyed what it served. Having a very minimal system with less packages and apps, I find it very easy to navigate test after testing.

So far, my copy Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus/sid) seems to start well.

fsmithred · 2021-09-09 14:42:59

nixer wrote:

If my ceres install was not working so well, I would be in daedalus right now, (-;

Ceres and daedelus should be almost identical right now. I don't think we have added any packages to daedelus, and debian has probably only added a few to whatever B is after bullseye. (Buckthorn? Bumble? Busted? I can't keep them straight anymore.)

andyprough · 2021-09-09 15:13:31

fsmithred wrote:

nixer wrote:
If my ceres install was not working so well, I would be in daedalus right now, (-;
Ceres and daedelus should be almost identical right now. I don't think we have added any packages to daedelus, and debian has probably only added a few to whatever B is after bullseye. (Buckthorn? Bumble? Busted? I can't keep them straight anymore.)

It's "bookworm".

So what's the current procedure for upgrading Beowulf to Chimaera? Can we just change repo names, or are we looking at breakage if we go that route?

golinux · 2021-09-09 15:21:37

zapper wrote:

Wow, you guys were mega fast in getting Devuan chimaera out...

The subject of this thread is misleading. Chimaera has not been "officially" released yet. Will be soon though . . .

Nili · 2021-09-09 15:40:18

So far, from Daedalus-testing (Devuan 5) aka Bookworm-testing (Debian 12) got updates for apps that i daily use.

Nautilus 40.2
Geany 1.37.1 
Disks 40.2
ntfs-3g 1:2021.8.22-2
gtk+3.0 3.24.30-3
mediainfo 21.03-1

Awaiting to upgraded very soon 2/5 days.

mpv to 0.33.1-1
alsa-mixer 1.2.5.1-1

Also i hope Debian maintainer pass to sid soon those two-below packages, i had a few concern with them so i can't wait to check it if they've been fixed.

feh 3.7.1
conky 1.12.2

Many other packages have been updated since this topic was opened. That's why i like testing or better sid, but i'll stick on testing for some reasons that requires less attention than sid.

Guys, Do not be confused, this topic is Devuan 5 (testing) aka Daedalus.
See the thread name.
Leave alone Chimaera here.
Daedalus it is one version advance than Chimaera (not released yet).
This thread serve to test (next testing/after chimaera releases).
For people who like to play in advance with next testing

I open this topic asking about Daedalus, and edited it as soon as it was set.
Personally, I have taken all the risks and responsibility on my testing jurney.

More here about releases names.
https://www.devuan.org/os/releases

We know versions and names are a bit confusing at first (even to me) on the early releases, as some walk faster with repos than with official releases names.

I hope i have somewhat clarified my position and forgive me if i have created a bit confusion if i did.

BR!

Last edited by Nili (2021-09-13 15:31:35)

fsmithred · 2021-09-09 20:28:15

You regulars know what you're doing. I wouldn't want to discourage you from going out on thin ice. Someone has to do it.

A good compromise between testing and unstable is to have both in your sources and pin ceres to a lower priority. Then you will just get packages from the testing suite unless you specify that you want something from ceres. This can be helpful when something breaks and the fix gets put into ceres. You don't have to wait for it to move to the testing suite.

Beowulf to Chimara: yes, change sources, update, upgrade/dist-upgrade. There has been some problem with upgrading eudev in some cases. I'm not sure what the exact circumstances are to create that problem, but there's a fix coming to chimaera very soon.

nixer · 2021-09-09 21:37:26

A good compromise between testing and unstable is to have both in your sources and pin ceres to a lower priority. Then you will just get packages from the testing suite unless you specify that you want something from ceres.

@FSR, Well since you mentioned it, here is a good example. Virtualbox was removed from the debian?/chimaera release, I think it was. If using only that release name in sources.list, then virtualbox would not be found. Virtualbox was put back in the unstable/sid/ceres repository so I installed with "apt -t ceres install virtualbox". I wanted to have virtualbox updated automatically from the ceres repo so I left the ceres line present in sources.list.

This apt pinning seems to work okay. At least it correctly updated virtualbox recently. This is a working example that I use to make sure that other packages do not get updated with a dist-upgrade from either chimaera or daedalus. I found this example on the www, and since it has not broken anything, I continue to use it.

This is what I have in /etc/preferences.d/40sid-virtualbox

Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: -1
Package: *
Pin: release a=experimental,n=experimental
Pin-Priority: -1
Package: virtualbox*
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 900

I ask this to verify that it is safe for future use. Do you or anyone else see anything wrong that would cause a problem in the future? I hope I have not strayed too far from the forum topic, but if running a testing release, this example may come in handy. I do understand that chimaera/testing, daedalus/(future) testing, and ceres/unstable are very prone to break and are not for production work. But, when they do break, one can learn quite a bit in order to fix them.

Last edited by nixer (2021-09-09 22:09:41)

fsmithred · 2021-09-10 12:44:32

Nixer, your pinning looks safe. My pin file looks much less safe, and I will not post it in full here. I have a bunch of repos enabled just so I can check package versions.

I don't think you need to use negative numbers. I generally use a priority of 10 or 50 or sometimes 1 for things I want to use selectively.

You can use codenames with 'n=<codename>' as in my example. This is from my beowulf (my main computer.)

Package: *
Pin: release n=chimaera
Pin-Priority: 50

Package: *
Pin: release n=ceres
Pin-Priority: 50

If you have nothing pinned, running apt-policy will show you the default priorities of all the repos you have enabled. I think backports is 100 by default and experimental is 1.

See man apt_preferences for all the details.

zapper · 2021-09-12 22:41:25

golinux wrote:

zapper wrote:
Wow, you guys were mega fast in getting Devuan chimaera out...
The subject of this thread is misleading. Chimaera has not been "officially" released yet. Will be soon though . . .

Still would be surprising considering when debian 11 was released...

August 14th 2021 was when it was released... so there's that.

Even if it came out in september, or early october.

Best wishes though on such a goal though if that's what you intend!

Last edited by zapper (2021-09-12 22:42:34)

golinux · 2021-09-12 23:04:14

@zapper . . . we are in the home stretch . . .

zapper · 2021-09-13 02:06:18

golinux wrote:

@zapper . . . we are in the home stretch . . .

Wait I thought, Devuan Ascii was based on that...

Okay but seriously, its coming sooner than that?

Also, I have wanted to make a joke like that for a long time...

Last edited by zapper (2021-09-13 02:09:32)

golinux · 2021-09-13 02:40:34

@zapper . . . it would be nice if more of your responses actually contributed knowledge to Devuan . . .

sgage · 2021-09-13 15:13:55

Nili wrote:

So far, from Daedalus-testing (Devuan 5) aka Bookworm-testing (Debian 12) got updates for apps that i daily use.
Nautilus 40.2
Geany 1.37.1 
Disks 40.2
ntfs-3g 1:2021.8.22-2
gtk+3.0 3.24.30-3
mediainfo 21.03-1
Awaiting to upgraded very soon 2/5 days.
mpv to 0.33.1-1
alsa-mixer 1.2.5.1-1
Also i hope Debian maintainer pass to sid soon those two-below packages, i had a few concern with them so i can't wait to check it if they've been fixed.
feh 3.7.1
conky 1.12.2
Many other packages have been updated since this topic was opened. That's why i like testing or better sid, but i'll stick on testing for some reasons that requires less attention than sid.
Guys, Do not be confused, this topic is Devuan 5 (testing/sid) aka Daedalus.
See the thread name.
Leave alone Chimaera here.
Daedalus it is one version advance than Chimaera/Ceres.
This thread serve to test (next testing/after chimaera releases).
For people who like to play in advance with testing/sid packages
I open this topic asking about next-testing as there was no repo for Daedalus, and edited it as soon as it was set. Personally, I have taken all the risks and responsibility on my testing jurney.
More here about releases names.
https://www.devuan.org/os/releases
We know versions and names are a bit confusing at first on the early releases, as some walk faster with repos than with official releases names.
I hope i have somewhat clarified my position and forgive me if i have created a bit confusion if i did.
BR!

"Daedalus it is one version advance than Chimaera/Ceres."

There is no Chimaera/Ceres. Ceres is always unstable. Packages go from Ceres to testing. Although Chimaera has not been officially released as 'stable' yet, Daedalus appears to be the new testing. But it is not one version more advance[d] than Ceres.

Nili · 2021-09-13 15:37:07

sgage wrote:

"Daedalus it is one version advance than Chimaera/Ceres."
There is no Chimaera/Ceres. Ceres is always unstable. Packages go from Ceres to testing. Although Chimaera has not been officially released as 'stable' yet, Daedalus appears to be the new testing. But it is not one version more advance[d] than Ceres.

My mistake in mentioning "Ceres" above, I have correct it. Thank you for point out sgage.

That's true, i mean Daedalus it's one advance over Chimaera, but not ceres aka sid.

Although this topic was used for SID packages too, let it remain so as we're on OFFtopic, or move to a more favorable thread if you find it right.

Thanks!

Last edited by Nili (2021-09-13 15:40:02)

Danielsan · 2021-09-14 18:50:18

Nice!!!

Nili · 2021-10-19 13:45:37

Today package "base-files" fixed version wrong number for testing.

It used to show on my workstation:

Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (daedalus/ceres) x86_64
Instead of
Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus/ceres) x86_64

After the last change it appears properly version 5 for testing.
I had made changes myself aswell early, but i am happy that it took official form properly.

Thank you!

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