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#376 Re: Installation » Multiboot help » 2023-10-22 23:19:50

In newer versions of grub, os-prober is disabled by default. Edit /etc/default/grub to enable (un-disable) os-prober. Like this:

# If your computer has multiple operating systems installed, then you
# probably want to run os-prober. However, if your computer is a host
# for guest OSes installed via LVM or raw disk devices, running
# os-prober can cause damage to those guest OSes as it mounts
# filesystems to look for things.
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false

And then run update-grub

Note: if you booted into devuan from mx's grub, you'll need to run 'grub-install' from devuan.

If you're using gpt with bios boot instead of uefi, you'll also need a special partition for that. i think it's called bios_grub in gparted and ef02 in gdisk. Needs to be 1mb and have no filesystem on it.

Time for dinner. Yell if this doesn't make sense.

#377 Re: Devuan » Installed Daedalus! » 2023-10-13 22:57:55

If dpkg gives you error messages about missing dependencies, just run apt -f install with no package listed, and it will install the deps if they are in the repo.

#378 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-13 22:54:45

Nice work, Altoid. No, there's no point in continuing. At least their last statement is more accurate than the earlier one.

#379 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-12 22:34:06

# apt install systemd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Package systemd is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  systemd-standalone-tmpfiles systemd-standalone-sysusers systemd-oomd systemd-boot-efi systemd-boot
  ifupdown

E: Package 'systemd' has no installation candidate

None of the available packages listed contains an init system.
Their descriptions are below. Note the part that says for use in non-systemd systems

Description: standalone tmpfiles binary for use in non-systemd systems
Description: standalone sysusers binary for use in non-systemd systems
Description: userspace out-of-memory (OOM) killer
Description: simple UEFI boot manager - EFI binaries
Description: simple UEFI boot manager - tools and services

#380 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-11 10:04:44

There must be something wrong with whatever generates that list. There's no systemd package in devuan.

root@ceres:/# apt policy systemd
systemd:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:

Same as the rest of the banned packages.
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt

#381 Re: Off-topic » Hi all! Back again after many adventures! » 2023-10-06 16:20:17

One thing that happened while you were gone and you already know it is that ascii reached end-of-live and is no longer supported.
But what you may not know is that you can still get the last software updates by changing sources.list to archive.devuan.org instead of deb.devuan.org (or whatever you may have used). I think only main or main and security are enabled.

Oh yeah, maybe try apulse instead of pulseaudio.

#382 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Strange filemanager behaviour » 2023-10-05 19:03:04

One way to get into this situation would be to rsync /DATA to /media/storage/ when nothing is mounted at /media/storage. Then when you do mount something there, it will hide /media/storage/DATA.

To fix it, you could get fancy with overlay mounts so that DATA did not get covered, but moving it out as already suggested is a much better idea.

'locate' shows you what it found the last time updatedb ran, which might be different from what files exist now. updatedb usually runs once a day.

#383 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] service ssh not running » 2023-10-05 18:42:03

I checked this on a daedalus live-iso with runit that I made some time ago. (more than a year, I think,) I get slightly different weirdness.

service tells me that ssh is running. If I try to stop it with 'service ssh stop' it tells me that it's stopped, but then status tells me it's still running.
If I then try 'sv stop ssh' it does stop it (according to service) and then I can stop or start it with the service command. i.e. it only fails the first time.

#384 Re: Off-topic » Hi all! Back again after many adventures! » 2023-10-03 10:15:13

Good call, Camtaf. If you need non-free wireless firmware, add "non-free-firmware" instead of "non-free" to sources.list.

I'm not sure what's in non-free now that they moved the firmware.

#385 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Homeless » 2023-10-03 00:44:39

If you removed or commented the line for the swapfile in /etc/fstab and you rebooted, then you can just delete the swapfile.
If it's still in use, you need to run swapoff /swapfile && rm /swapfile (as root)

You can see how much swap space you have with free -m  If both swap and swapfile are active, it'll show the total size of both.

#386 Re: Off-topic » Hi all! Back again after many adventures! » 2023-10-02 20:03:11

Welcome back and congrats on the house! Nice to see you again. I'm in and out of here a lot. Internet here is as slow as yours is fast.

For 1, 2 and 3... what rolfie said. Or, if you have a beowulf install around, upgrading to chimaera is not bad (i.e. easier than ascii to beowulf) and chimaera to daedalus is even smoother. YMMV depending on desktop and whatever else you have installed.

See you around.

#387 Re: Installation » How can I replace sysv with runit? » 2023-09-30 22:07:51

apt install runit-init

You probably also want runit-services if that doesn't come in automatically.

#388 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-09-27 22:57:31

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher wrote:

Why aren't koalas actually considered to be bears?

Because they're unkoalafied.

tongue

I wish to protest on behalf of the koalas. That was unbearable.

#389 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Switching VT crashes Xorg after upgrade to Daedalus » 2023-09-27 22:51:42

That fixed it. Thanks! I can start a second xserver as another user.

I pinned daedalus-proposed-updates to a lower priority so that I had to specify that I wanted xserver-xorg-core. I got that package and xserver-common without getting other stuff that's currently in proposed-updtaes. I saw some pam stuff and wanted to make sure that just these two packages were needed.

#390 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] sddm not launching on fresh desktop install (kde) » 2023-09-26 12:41:46

Two suggestions.

1. Press ctrl-alt-F7 to see if you can find your running desktop (or graphical login screen)
2. As root, run /etc/init.d/sddm restart and see if you get any useful messages. Try finding the desktop again, too. Maybe check all the vts (ctrl-alt-F1, F2, etc.)

#391 Re: Installation » cannot inform kernel of changes » 2023-09-25 19:59:21

My comment was in regard to following these directions: (emphasis added)

You might try restarting the installer after that happens. If the partition table is as you set it last time, don't write the changes. (i.e., use the drive as-is)

#392 Re: Installation » apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd » 2023-09-24 15:29:24

I see it in the list of Recommended packages, but it's not in the list of packages to be installed, and I am not excluding Recommends. I'm testing on a daedalus desktop-live iso booted in qemu. Here's where those two Recommends come from. You cannot install them in devuan. You can proceed without excluding Recommends.

root@devuan:/home/devuan# apt rdepends systemd
<systemd>
root@devuan:/home/devuan# aptitude why systemd
i   ntp    Depends    ntpsec
i A ntpsec Recommends systemd | cron | cron-daemon
root@devuan:~# aptitude why systemd-coredump
i   task-xfce-desktop Recommends xfce4-goodies
i A xfce4-goodies     Depends    xfce4-notifyd | notification-daemon | notify-os
                                 d
p   plasma-workspace  Provides   notification-daemon
p   plasma-workspace  Depends    drkonqi (>= 5.27.5~)
p   drkonqi           Recommends systemd-coredump

The desktop-live isos only provide a single desktop, which includes everything you get when you install task-xfce-desktop. If you want a different desktop, it's probably better to use one of the installer isos. You can choose the desktop you want from the installer and get a fat installation with everything, or you can un-check the desktop stuff and start with a console-only system to add exactly what you want.

#393 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Switching VT crashes Xorg after upgrade to Daedalus » 2023-09-23 14:34:50

I can confirm your findings. I have a similar setup but with lxqt instead of xfce and no display manager, and with elogind and seatd installed. Ctrl-alt-F2 drops to console.
Adding a second user, dropping to console to login as that user works, but then startx -- :1 fails.

Here are the Xorg log errors.

[  1363.893] (EE) [libseat/backend/seatd.c:66] Could not connect to socket /run/seatd.sock: Permission denied
[  1364.045] (EE) [libseat/backend/logind.c:137] Could not take device: Device or resource busy
[  1364.045] (EE) seatd_libseat open graphics /dev/dri/card0 (-1) failed: -11
[  1364.086] (EE) Failed to load module "psb" (module does not exist, 0)
[  1364.088] (EE) Failed to load module "psbdrv" (module does not exist, 0)
[  1364.103] (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
[  1364.105] (EE) open /dev/fb0: Permission denied
[  1364.106] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
[  1364.106] (EE) Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section.
[  1364.107] (EE) Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section.
[  1364.511] (EE) modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied
[  1364.511] (EE) 
[  1364.511] (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
[  1364.511] (EE) 
[  1364.531] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.

#394 Re: Installation » Archiving it -all- » 2023-09-23 12:31:50

Instead of archiving the packages to install, you could just archive the installation itself with all the tools you need already installed and working. Install the system in a virtual machine made with open source tools and you have the entire system inside a single file that you can move around and keep in a safe place.

#395 Re: Installation » cant boot with devuan live usb stick on Windows 11 Pro » 2023-09-21 21:56:44

You probably just need to disable secure boot in the bios/uefi setup.

#396 Re: DIY » Chimaera Minimal Live ISO Customization Question » 2023-09-17 14:09:50

The use for encrypted persistence is so that nobody can steal your live-usb and read your personal files.

Using a usb to provide encryption keys for an installed system is a completely different but equally valid case.

#397 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta ISOs » 2023-09-06 18:05:44

I have used icewm in the past, and there were even some early releases of refracta that had icewm, either as the only graphical ui or in addition to xfce. Some of those were before I had the project. I've tried jwm but never stuck with it. Both of those are very good and give you more than just a window manager.

I tend to use openbox with lxpanel on my non-xfce builds, but even that uses more ram than icewm or jwm. I wanted to try lxqt. Part of the reason for that is to start finding alternatives to gtk for the likely event that it will become too ugly to look at and maybe too difficult to use.

Oh, and I probably should have mentioned that the EEE iso does not have a display manager. The desktop comes up automatically when running live media, but if you install it, you'll have to run startx to get the desktop.

#398 Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta ISOs » 2023-09-06 14:32:31

fsmithred
Replies: 16

I uploaded new isos based on Devuan Daedalus. I haven't decided if these are final, so this is not an official release announcement.

refracta_12 (daedalus) xfce and no-X isos:
https://get.refracta.org/files/daedalus/
The no-X isos are incidentally also no-dbus.

I also made an i386 build with a lightweight lxqt desktop for my ASUS-EEE netbook. It previously had refracta-jessie with xfce, but daedalus with xfce is too much of a resource hog. It was using somewhere around 400MB just to bring up the desktop. The netbook only has 2GB RAM. A full lxqt desktop uses around 360MB. Still too much. So I was selective with the packages, and this one uses around 210MB for the desktop. NOTE: I did not consider disk space when I built this. My EEE has a 128GB ssd. The installed system takes up around 3.5GB. It's not really specific to EEE, but I did not include any firmware packages.
https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/

#400 Re: Devuan » Qemu shared folder » 2023-09-05 12:41:29

I've done it with sshfs, either mounting a directory from the host on the VM or the other way, mounting a directory in the VM on the host.  The former can be done without any network options in the qemu command. You do need to have sshfs installed.

sshfs user@host-ip:/home/user/some-subdirectory  some-mountpoint-in-the-VM

fusermount -u some-mountpoint-in-the-VM   # to un-mount the share

I've done it with nfs, too. That's a little more involved. You can even set it up with autofs so the share mounts automatically when you access the mountpoint.

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