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I recently installed Daedalus with the live usb, which automatically installed xfce (and I couldn't see any options to select desktop environment options). Now I want to install KDE Plasma, and I'm using the package `kde-plasma-desktop`.
At initiating installing the package I am somewhat alarmed, because I see in "Recommended packages: systemd-coredump and systemd".
Would installing this package with the recommended packages really install systemd with it?
As a workaround I suppose I could install it without the recommended packages by supplying the `--no-install-recommends`, however I'm wondering if it might affect the end result as some other recommended packages seem more relevant, like `dbus-user-session`.
I would appreciate any thoughts and suggestions on this topic.
Thanks,
Simen
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the package `kde-plasma-desktop`.
At initiating installing the package I am somewhat alarmed, because I see in "Recommended packages: systemd-coredump and systemd".
Afternoon.
In my version of Daedalus it does not:
$ apt show kde-plasma-desktop
Package: kde-plasma-desktop
Version: 5:142
Priority: optional
Section: metapackages
Source: meta-kde
Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
Installed-Size: 11.3 kB
Depends: kde-baseapps (>= 4:22.12.3), plasma-desktop (>= 4:5.27.2), plasma-workspace (>= 4:5.27.2), udisks2, upower
Recommends: kwin-x11 (>= 4:5.27.2), sddm (>= 0.11), xserver-xorg
Suggests: kdeconnect
Homepage: https://www.kde.org
Tag: role::metapackage, suite::kde
Download-Size: 4,116 B
APT-Sources: http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus/main amd64 Packages
Description: KDE Plasma Desktop and minimal set of applications
You will see on the "Recommends" line that there is zero mention of systemD. I think that you need to post your sources.list. Here is mine for reference:
$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/josm.list:deb https://josm.openstreetmap.de/apt/ alldist universe
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It's pretty much a fresh install, not sure if it matters but I installed it with encrypted hard drive, including boot in the same partition. As you can see, the sources are all devuan:
$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free-firmware
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main non-free-firmware
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main non-free-firmware
grep: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*: No such file or directory
This is the full list of packages to be installed along with kde-plasma-desktop:
$ sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop
[sudo] password for simen:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
accountsservice aha appstream apt-config-icons apt-config-icons-hidpi
apt-config-icons-large apt-config-icons-large-hidpi baloo-kf5 bluedevil
bluez-obexd bolt breeze breeze-cursor-theme breeze-gtk-theme
breeze-icon-theme bup bup-doc catdoc cryfs debconf-kde-data
debconf-kde-helper docbook-xml docbook-xsl dolphin drkonqi ffmpegthumbs
fonts-hack fonts-noto fonts-noto-cjk fonts-noto-cjk-extra
fonts-noto-color-emoji fonts-noto-core fonts-noto-extra fonts-noto-hinted
fonts-noto-ui-core fonts-noto-ui-extra fonts-noto-unhinted
frameworkintegration fwupd fwupd-amd64-signed gdb-minimal geoclue-2.0 git
git-man gtk2-engines-pixbuf hwdata ibus-data iio-sensor-proxy install-info
jq kaccounts-providers kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd kate kate5-data
kde-baseapps kde-cli-tools kde-cli-tools-data kde-config-gtk-style
kde-config-screenlocker kde-config-sddm kde-config-updates kde-style-breeze
kde-style-oxygen-qt5 kdeconnect kded5 kdegraphics-thumbnailers kdialog
kdoctools5 keditbookmarks kfind kgamma5 khelpcenter khotkeys khotkeys-data
kimageformat-plugins kinfocenter kinit kio kio-extras kio-extras-data
kmenuedit konqueror konsole konsole-kpart kpackagelauncherqml kpackagetool5
kpeople-vcard kscreen ksshaskpass ksystemstats ktexteditor-data
ktexteditor-katepart kup-backup kuserfeedback-doc kwalletmanager
kwayland-data kwayland-integration kwin-common kwin-data kwin-style-breeze
kwin-wayland kwin-x11 kwrite kwrited layer-shell-qt libaccounts-glib0
libaccounts-qt5-1 libaccountsservice0 libappimage1.0abi1 libappstream4
libappstreamqt2 libaribb24-0 libboost-chrono1.74.0
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libkf5notifyconfig-data libkf5notifyconfig5 libkf5package-data
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libkf5wallet5 libkf5waylandclient5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data
libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5
libkf5xmlgui-bin libkf5xmlgui-data libkf5xmlgui5 libkfontinst5
libkfontinstui5 libkpipewire5 libkpipewiredmabuf5 libkpipewirerecord5
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libpowerdevilcore2 libpowerdevilui5 libprocesscore9 libprocessui9
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libqt5network5 libqt5positioning5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5
libqt5qmlmodels5 libqt5qmlworkerscript5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickcontrols2-5
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libqt5test5 libqt5texttospeech5 libqt5virtualkeyboard5 libqt5waylandclient5
libqt5waylandcompositor5 libqt5webchannel5 libqt5webengine-data
libqt5webengine5 libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libqt5webview5
libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xml5 libre2-9 libresid-builder0c2a
libscim8v5 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl1.2debian libsidplay2
libsignon-plugins-common1 libsignon-qt5-1 libsmbios-c2 libspatialaudio0
libspdlog1.10 libsquashfuse0 libssh-4 libstemmer0d libstoken1
libtaskmanager6abi1 libtomcrypt1 libtommath1 libtss2-esys-3.0.2-0
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libyaml-0-2 libzip4 media-player-info milou oxygen-sounds packagekit
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plasma-disks plasma-framework plasma-integration plasma-nm plasma-pa
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powerdevil-data pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pulseaudio-module-gsettings
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python3-oauthlib python3-pylibacl python3-pyqt5 python3-pyqt5.sip
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qml-module-org-kde-ksysguard qml-module-org-kde-kwindowsystem
qml-module-org-kde-newstuff qml-module-org-kde-people
qml-module-org-kde-pipewire qml-module-org-kde-prison
qml-module-org-kde-purpose qml-module-org-kde-qqc2desktopstyle
qml-module-org-kde-quickcharts qml-module-org-kde-runnermodel
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qml-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel qml-module-qt-labs-platform
qml-module-qt-labs-qmlmodels qml-module-qt-labs-settings
qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects qml-module-qtmultimedia qml-module-qtqml
qml-module-qtqml-models2 qml-module-qtquick-controls
qml-module-qtquick-controls2 qml-module-qtquick-dialogs
qml-module-qtquick-layouts qml-module-qtquick-particles2
qml-module-qtquick-privatewidgets qml-module-qtquick-shapes
qml-module-qtquick-templates2 qml-module-qtquick-virtualkeyboard
qml-module-qtquick-window2 qml-module-qtquick2 qml-module-qtwebengine
qt5-gtk-platformtheme qtchooser qtspeech5-speechd-plugin
qttranslations5-l10n qtwayland5 sddm sddm-theme-breeze
sddm-theme-debian-breeze sgml-data signon-plugin-oauth2 smartmontools socat
software-properties-common software-properties-qt sonnet-plugins sshfs
systemsettings tpm-udev vlc-data vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output
xdg-desktop-portal-kde xsettingsd xwayland
Suggested packages:
gnome-control-center orion-gtk-theme tk | wish docbook docbook-dsssl
docbook-defguide dbtoepub docbook-xsl-doc-html | docbook-xsl-doc-pdf
| docbook-xsl-doc-text | docbook-xsl-doc docbook-xsl-saxon fop libsaxon-java
libxalan2-java libxslthl-java xalan dolphin-plugins gir1.2-fwupd-2.0
git-daemon-run | git-daemon-sysvinit git-doc git-email git-gui gitk gitweb
git-cvs git-mediawiki git-svn ibus systemd darcs exuberant-ctags mercurial
subversion kde-config-gtk-style-preview samba vulkan-tools konq-plugins
lrzsz kwin-addons gpsd kde-telepathy-send-file lirc qgnomeplatform-qt5
qt5-image-formats-plugins qt5-qmltooling-plugins libsmbios-doc voikko-fi
btrfs-progs hfsplus hfsutils jfsutils reiser4progs reiserfsprogs xfsprogs
phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer kde-config-flatpak
plasma-discover-backend-flatpak network-manager-fortisslvpn
network-manager-iodine network-manager-l2tp network-manager-openconnect
network-manager-openvpn network-manager-pptp network-manager-ssh
network-manager-strongswan network-manager-vpnc gocryptfs python-blinker-doc
python-cryptography-doc python3-cryptography-vectors python3-crypto
python-pylibacl-doc python-pyxattr-doc python-tornado-doc python3-twisted
qtvirtualkeyboard-plugin perlsgml w3-recs opensp gsmartcontrol
smart-notifier hspell libdvdcss2
Recommended packages:
dbus-user-session kde-style-qtcurve systemd-coredump secureboot-db systemd
plasma-firewall plasma-welcome
The following NEW packages will be installed:
accountsservice aha appstream apt-config-icons apt-config-icons-hidpi
apt-config-icons-large apt-config-icons-large-hidpi baloo-kf5 bluedevil
bluez-obexd bolt breeze breeze-cursor-theme breeze-gtk-theme
breeze-icon-theme bup bup-doc catdoc cryfs debconf-kde-data
debconf-kde-helper docbook-xml docbook-xsl dolphin drkonqi ffmpegthumbs
fonts-hack fonts-noto fonts-noto-cjk fonts-noto-cjk-extra
fonts-noto-color-emoji fonts-noto-core fonts-noto-extra fonts-noto-hinted
fonts-noto-ui-core fonts-noto-ui-extra fonts-noto-unhinted
frameworkintegration fwupd fwupd-amd64-signed gdb-minimal geoclue-2.0 git
git-man gtk2-engines-pixbuf hwdata ibus-data iio-sensor-proxy install-info
jq kaccounts-providers kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd kate kate5-data
kde-baseapps kde-cli-tools kde-cli-tools-data kde-config-gtk-style
kde-config-screenlocker kde-config-sddm kde-config-updates
kde-plasma-desktop kde-style-breeze kde-style-oxygen-qt5 kdeconnect kded5
kdegraphics-thumbnailers kdialog kdoctools5 keditbookmarks kfind kgamma5
khelpcenter khotkeys khotkeys-data kimageformat-plugins kinfocenter kinit
kio kio-extras kio-extras-data kmenuedit konqueror konsole konsole-kpart
kpackagelauncherqml kpackagetool5 kpeople-vcard kscreen ksshaskpass
ksystemstats ktexteditor-data ktexteditor-katepart kup-backup
kuserfeedback-doc kwalletmanager kwayland-data kwayland-integration
kwin-common kwin-data kwin-style-breeze kwin-wayland kwin-x11 kwrite kwrited
layer-shell-qt libaccounts-glib0 libaccounts-qt5-1 libaccountsservice0
libappimage1.0abi1 libappstream4 libappstreamqt2 libaribb24-0
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libcddb2 libcolorcorrect5 libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdebconf-kde1
libdebuginfod-common libdebuginfod1 libdmtx0b libdolphinvcs5
libdouble-conversion3 libdvbpsi10 libebml5 libeditorconfig0 libepub0
liberror-perl libfakekey0 libflashrom1 libfmt9 libftdi1-2 libfwupd2
libgcab-1.0-0 libgif7 libgit2-1.5 libglib2.0-bin libgps28
libgrantlee-templates5 libgsettings-qt1 libharfbuzz-subset0 libhfstospell11
libhttp-parser2.9 libibus-1.0-5 libical3 libipt2 libixml10 libjaylink0
libjcat1 libjq1 libkaccounts2 libkdecorations2-5v5 libkdecorations2private10
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libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5 libkf5dbusaddons-bin
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libkf5filemetadata-bin libkf5filemetadata-data libkf5filemetadata3
libkf5globalaccel-bin libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5
libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons-bin libkf5guiaddons-data
libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5holidays-data libkf5holidays5 libkf5i18n-data
libkf5i18n5 libkf5i18nlocaledata5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data
libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5idletime5 libkf5itemmodels5 libkf5itemviews-data
libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5js5
libkf5kcmutils-bin libkf5kcmutils-data libkf5kcmutils5 libkf5kcmutilscore5
libkf5kdcraw5 libkf5kdelibs4support-data libkf5kdelibs4support5
libkf5kdelibs4support5-bin libkf5kexiv2-15.0.0 libkf5khtml-bin
libkf5khtml-data libkf5khtml5 libkf5kiocore5 libkf5kiofilewidgets5
libkf5kiogui5 libkf5kiontlm5 libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5kirigami2-5 libkf5konq6
libkf5modemmanagerqt6 libkf5networkmanagerqt6 libkf5newstuff-data
libkf5newstuff5 libkf5newstuffcore5 libkf5newstuffwidgets5
libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5notifyconfig-data
libkf5notifyconfig5 libkf5package-data libkf5package5 libkf5parts-data
libkf5parts-plugins libkf5parts5 libkf5people-data libkf5people5
libkf5peoplebackend5 libkf5peoplewidgets5 libkf5plasma5 libkf5plasmaquick5
libkf5prison5 libkf5prisonscanner5 libkf5pty-data libkf5pty5
libkf5pulseaudioqt3 libkf5purpose-bin libkf5purpose5 libkf5quickaddons5
libkf5runner5 libkf5screen-bin libkf5screen-data libkf5screen8
libkf5screendpms8 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5
libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5
libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5style5 libkf5su-bin libkf5su-data libkf5su5
libkf5syndication5abi1 libkf5syntaxhighlighting-data
libkf5syntaxhighlighting5 libkf5sysguard-data libkf5texteditor-bin
libkf5texteditor5 libkf5textwidgets-data libkf5textwidgets5
libkf5threadweaver5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data libkf5wallet5
libkf5waylandclient5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5
libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5 libkf5xmlgui-bin
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libkuserfeedbackwidgets1 libkwalletbackend5-5 libkwineffects14
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libmd4c0 libminizip1 libnotificationmanager1 libonig5 libopenconnect5
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I tried to lookup at the debtree for kde-plasma-desktop but it timed out, and now pkginfo.devuan.org is returning 504 Gateway Time-out even for simple package lookups - I guess the KDE dependencies were too complicated and something crashed or locked up?
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Anyway, what does apt rdepends systemd-coredump return?
Probably drkonqi ("Crash handler for Qt applications"), which plasma-workspace depends on.
Bullseye/Chimaera version of drkonqi didn't require systemd, but seems Bookworm/Daedalus version might:
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/drkonqi
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/drkonqi
According to the banned package list, both systemd and systemd-coredump is banned for "daedalus" and "daedalus-proposed-updates" but not "daedalus-security" and "daedalus-updates" ?
So Alex having the daedalus-proposed-updates repo enabled may explain the difference, though not clear why systemd packages are not banned for ALL repos?
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I see it in the list of Recommended packages, but it's not in the list of packages to be installed, and I am not excluding Recommends. I'm testing on a daedalus desktop-live iso booted in qemu. Here's where those two Recommends come from. You cannot install them in devuan. You can proceed without excluding Recommends.
root@devuan:/home/devuan# apt rdepends systemd
<systemd>
root@devuan:/home/devuan# aptitude why systemd
i ntp Depends ntpsec
i A ntpsec Recommends systemd | cron | cron-daemon
root@devuan:~# aptitude why systemd-coredump
i task-xfce-desktop Recommends xfce4-goodies
i A xfce4-goodies Depends xfce4-notifyd | notification-daemon | notify-os
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p plasma-workspace Provides notification-daemon
p plasma-workspace Depends drkonqi (>= 5.27.5~)
p drkonqi Recommends systemd-coredump
The desktop-live isos only provide a single desktop, which includes everything you get when you install task-xfce-desktop. If you want a different desktop, it's probably better to use one of the installer isos. You can choose the desktop you want from the installer and get a fat installation with everything, or you can un-check the desktop stuff and start with a console-only system to add exactly what you want.
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Thanks for the feedback. Would there be any disadvantages to installing kde-plasma-desktop in my already installed system compared to starting fresh with the installer isos? I'm wondering because now since I have it installed already it's more convenient.
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An recommended package is not a mandatory package
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I did a KDE Plasma install with --no-install-recommends once.
The result was useless.
It still gave me numerous packages I absolutely did not need, and it took me a while to figure out the reason a bunch of things were not working was because several actually useful packages were mis-labelled as recommends.
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It would be nice if package maintainers were required to state why something is recommended/suggested, so that people could make informed decisions about when to include/exclude them, (and maybe get the maintainers to think a bit harder about which level a dependency belongs in).
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Yeah; just like all cats turn left together when you try to herd them
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If a desktop environment requires some bloated linux framework, systemd, dbus, pulseaudio, pipewire, avahi or smilar, as a dependency that is by definition proof that the maintainers are falling into the trash line-up. The more trash required, the more trash it is.
But that goes without saying.
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OH yes and tasksel shows a pop-up selector but does not execute anything - no response from the mouse-click.
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