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#1 2023-09-24 08:37:42

simernes
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Registered: 2023-09-16
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apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

Good morning!

I recently installed Daedalus with the live usb, which automatically installed xfce (and I couldn't see any options to select desktop environment options). Now I want to install KDE Plasma, and I'm using the package `kde-plasma-desktop`.

At initiating installing the package I am somewhat alarmed, because I see in "Recommended packages: systemd-coredump and systemd".

Would installing this package with the recommended packages really install systemd with it?

As a workaround I suppose I could install it without the recommended packages by supplying the `--no-install-recommends`, however I'm wondering if it might affect the end result as some other recommended packages seem more relevant, like `dbus-user-session`.

I would appreciate any thoughts and suggestions on this topic.

Thanks,
Simen

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#2 2023-09-24 11:26:00

alexkemp
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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

simernes wrote:

the package `kde-plasma-desktop`.

At initiating installing the package I am somewhat alarmed, because I see in "Recommended packages: systemd-coredump and systemd".

Afternoon.

In my version of Daedalus it does not:

$ apt show kde-plasma-desktop
Package: kde-plasma-desktop
Version: 5:142
Priority: optional
Section: metapackages
Source: meta-kde
Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
Installed-Size: 11.3 kB
Depends: kde-baseapps (>= 4:22.12.3), plasma-desktop (>= 4:5.27.2), plasma-workspace (>= 4:5.27.2), udisks2, upower
Recommends: kwin-x11 (>= 4:5.27.2), sddm (>= 0.11), xserver-xorg
Suggests: kdeconnect
Homepage: https://www.kde.org
Tag: role::metapackage, suite::kde
Download-Size: 4,116 B
APT-Sources: http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus/main amd64 Packages
Description: KDE Plasma Desktop and minimal set of applications

You will see on the "Recommends" line that there is zero mention of systemD. I think that you need to post your sources.list. Here is mine for reference:

$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus                  main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates          main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security         main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports        main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/josm.list:deb https://josm.openstreetmap.de/apt/ alldist universe

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#3 2023-09-24 14:46:50

simernes
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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

It's pretty much a fresh install, not sure if it matters but I installed it with encrypted hard drive, including boot in the same partition. As you can see, the sources are all devuan:

$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main non-free-firmware
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates main non-free-firmware
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main non-free-firmware
grep: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*: No such file or directory

This is the full list of packages to be installed along with kde-plasma-desktop:

$ sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop
[sudo] password for simen: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
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  fonts-hack fonts-noto fonts-noto-cjk fonts-noto-cjk-extra
  fonts-noto-color-emoji fonts-noto-core fonts-noto-extra fonts-noto-hinted
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  frameworkintegration fwupd fwupd-amd64-signed gdb-minimal geoclue-2.0 git
  git-man gtk2-engines-pixbuf hwdata ibus-data iio-sensor-proxy install-info
  jq kaccounts-providers kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd kate kate5-data
  kde-baseapps kde-cli-tools kde-cli-tools-data kde-config-gtk-style
  kde-config-screenlocker kde-config-sddm kde-config-updates kde-style-breeze
  kde-style-oxygen-qt5 kdeconnect kded5 kdegraphics-thumbnailers kdialog
  kdoctools5 keditbookmarks kfind kgamma5 khelpcenter khotkeys khotkeys-data
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  kpeople-vcard kscreen ksshaskpass ksystemstats ktexteditor-data
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  systemsettings tpm-udev vlc-data vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output
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Recommended packages:
  dbus-user-session kde-style-qtcurve systemd-coredump secureboot-db systemd
  plasma-firewall plasma-welcome
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#4 2023-09-24 15:22:07

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

I tried to lookup at the debtree for kde-plasma-desktop but it timed out, and now pkginfo.devuan.org is returning 504 Gateway Time-out even for simple package lookups - I guess the KDE dependencies were too complicated and something crashed or locked up?

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Anyway, what does apt rdepends systemd-coredump return?

Probably drkonqi ("Crash handler for Qt applications"), which plasma-workspace depends on.

Bullseye/Chimaera version of drkonqi didn't require systemd, but seems Bookworm/Daedalus version might:
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/drkonqi
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/drkonqi

According to the banned package list, both systemd and systemd-coredump is banned for "daedalus" and "daedalus-proposed-updates" but not "daedalus-security" and "daedalus-updates" ?

So Alex having the daedalus-proposed-updates repo enabled may explain the difference, though not clear why systemd packages are not banned for ALL repos?


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#5 2023-09-24 15:29:24

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

I see it in the list of Recommended packages, but it's not in the list of packages to be installed, and I am not excluding Recommends. I'm testing on a daedalus desktop-live iso booted in qemu. Here's where those two Recommends come from. You cannot install them in devuan. You can proceed without excluding Recommends.

root@devuan:/home/devuan# apt rdepends systemd
<systemd>
root@devuan:/home/devuan# aptitude why systemd
i   ntp    Depends    ntpsec
i A ntpsec Recommends systemd | cron | cron-daemon
root@devuan:~# aptitude why systemd-coredump
i   task-xfce-desktop Recommends xfce4-goodies
i A xfce4-goodies     Depends    xfce4-notifyd | notification-daemon | notify-os
                                 d
p   plasma-workspace  Provides   notification-daemon
p   plasma-workspace  Depends    drkonqi (>= 5.27.5~)
p   drkonqi           Recommends systemd-coredump

The desktop-live isos only provide a single desktop, which includes everything you get when you install task-xfce-desktop. If you want a different desktop, it's probably better to use one of the installer isos. You can choose the desktop you want from the installer and get a fat installation with everything, or you can un-check the desktop stuff and start with a console-only system to add exactly what you want.

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#6 2023-09-24 15:58:37

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

Thanks for the feedback. Would there be any disadvantages to installing kde-plasma-desktop in my already installed system compared to starting fresh with the installer isos? I'm wondering because now since I have it installed already it's more convenient.

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#7 2023-09-24 17:17:52

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

An recommended package is not a mandatory package

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#8 2023-09-24 19:45:26

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

I did a KDE Plasma install with --no-install-recommends once.

The result was useless.

It still gave me numerous packages I absolutely did not need, and it took me a while to figure out the reason a bunch of things were not working was because several actually useful packages were mis-labelled as recommends.

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It would be nice if package maintainers were required to state why something is recommended/suggested, so that people could make informed decisions about when to include/exclude them, (and maybe get the maintainers to think a bit harder about which level a dependency belongs in).


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#9 2023-09-24 20:36:45

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

Yeah; just like all cats turn left together when you try to herd them smile

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#10 2023-10-06 20:32:56

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

If a desktop environment requires some bloated linux framework, systemd, dbus, pulseaudio, pipewire, avahi or smilar, as a dependency that is by definition proof that the maintainers are falling into the trash line-up. The more trash required, the more trash it is.

But that goes without saying. tongue


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#11 2024-03-29 04:48:22

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Re: apt install kde-plasma-desktop recommends systemd

OH yes and tasksel shows a pop-up selector but does not execute anything - no response from the mouse-click.

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