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#1 Re: ARM Builds » Which Raspberry Pi ? » 2022-08-09 16:22:52

Thank you @auanta for your recommendation.

I also pay a lot of importance about the OpenSource rating ! and between two products I will always choose the one the closet (or totally ) to full open. (I mean if the price delta is fair.)

Thanks again I will explore this.

#2 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] What is that UDP traffic ? » 2022-08-06 10:19:37

I will "mute" this rules for the moement and when I have the time I will investigate for sure.
Thanks for your guidance.

#3 Re: ARM Builds » Which Raspberry Pi ? » 2022-08-06 10:17:15

Thanks @vortex & @Camtaf !

Really appreciate your feedback.

So I'm going in !... I'm mean when the current Raspberry Pi shortage is resolved big_smile

#4 ARM Builds » Which Raspberry Pi ? » 2022-08-05 16:25:23

Replies: 8


I'm planning to buy a Raspberry Pi to run a Devuan ❤️ smile

What are the minimal hardware requirement for Devuan ?

I will time to time launch XFCE, but most of the time it's will run without.

And I plan to run a little webserver (minimal traffic smile )

If you have any guidance I'm all ears.


#5 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] What is that UDP traffic ? » 2022-08-05 15:38:53

auanta wrote:

Have you tried browsing the internet from within your Devuan VM?

I have many network, but that working when I need yes.

auanta wrote:

As for what type of UDP traffic it is, it's harmless, but if you want to know then you'd have to look at the port number and correspond it to the protocol.

You mean to look-up with --> … rt_numbers
Port 5678 is not assigned to anything...

#6 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] What is that UDP traffic ? » 2022-08-05 13:31:04

Thank you Auanta, is the IP of the machine (not the router, there are none, this is a VM network )

I'm not using iptables but NFtables.

#7 Other Issues » [SOLVED] What is that UDP traffic ? » 2022-08-05 08:31:38

Replies: 6

Hi everyone,

I see the following in my nftable log (that has been dropped) -->

IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:****** SRC= DST= LEN=138 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=33295 DPT=5678 LEN=118 

**** = mac address removed

the SRC, it the IP of this machine so I guess my machine launch a broadcast ? but which one ? from which application ?

Any idea what generate this ? I get it ~every minute.


#8 Re: Other Issues » APT want to autoremove too much package.. » 2022-06-26 09:51:20

xinomilo wrote:

.. you're removing both (lightdm + slim).

I don't remove both , because every time I purge Slim or lightdm APT see it and prompt me with the TUI and and can choose one of them... therefor I have always one of them

and then in the reported bug why apt want to remove so much ?

xinomilo wrote:

you can't purge the same package twice..

You mean I can't purge, reinstall and then purge once more !?

#9 Re: Other Issues » APT want to autoremove too much package.. » 2022-06-26 09:47:51

MiyoLinux wrote:

My understanding is...

remove - removes the actual package.
--purge - removes the package's configuration files.

no @MiyoLinux

Stack Exchange wrote:

remove: leaves its configuration files on the system.
If a plus sign is appended to the package name (with no intervening space), the identified package will be installed instead of removed.

purge: is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too).

#10 Other Issues » APT want to autoremove too much package.. » 2022-06-25 09:08:26

Replies: 5

Just to report a weird behavior of apt.

here the step to reproduce

# apt purge slim
select lighdm in the TUI

# apt purge lightdm
select slim in the TUI

# apt purge slim
I get

The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1v5 coinor-libcoinutils3v5
  coinor-libosi1v5 cups-client cups-pk-helper dns-root-data dnsmasq-base espeak-ng-data exfalso
  fonts-font-awesome fonts-lato fonts-opensymbol gimp-data gir1.2-atspi-2.0 gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0
  gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-keybinder-3.0
  gir1.2-notify-0.7 gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 gir1.2-polkit-1.0 gir1.2-secret-1 gir1.2-soup-2.4
  gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 gir1.2-wnck-3.0 gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gstreamer1.0-gtk3
  gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio hyphen-en-us javascript-common libabw-0.1-1 libamd2 libao-common libao4
  libappstream4 libatk-adaptor libaudio2 libayatana-appindicator3-1 libayatana-ido3-0.4-0
  libayatana-indicator3-7 libbabl-0.1-0 libbluetooth3 libboost-filesystem1.74.0 libboost-iostreams1.74.0
  libboost-locale1.74.0 libboost-thread1.74.0 libbrlapi0.8 libcamd2 libccolamd2 libcdr-0.1-1 libcholmod3
  libck-connector0 libclucene-contribs1v5 libclucene-core1v5 libcmis-0.5-5v5 libcolamd2 libdotconf0
  libe-book-0.1-1 libeot0 libepubgen-0.1-1 libespeak-ng1 libetonyek-0.1-1 libexiv2-27
  libexttextcat-2.0-0 libexttextcat-data libfreehand-0.1-1 libgegl-0.4-0 libgegl-common libgexiv2-2
  libgimp2.0 libglib2.0-bin libgpgmepp6 libjim0.79 libjs-jquery libjs-sphinxdoc libjs-underscore
  libjuh-java libjurt-java liblangtag-common liblangtag1 libldb2 liblibreoffice-java
  liblightdm-gobject-1-0 liblouis-data liblouis20 libmbim-glib4 libmbim-proxy libmetis5 libmhash2
  libmm-glib0 libmspub-0.1-1 libmwaw-0.3-3 libmythes-1.2-0 libndp0 libneon27-gnutls
  libnetfilter-conntrack3 libnfnetlink0 libnl-route-3-200 libnm0 libnma-common libnma0
  libnumbertext-1.0-0 libnumbertext-data libodfgen-0.1-1 liborcus-0.16-0 liborcus-parser-0.16-0
  libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpagemaker-0.0-0 libpam-gnome-keyring libpcaudio0 libpcsclite1 libpython3.9
  libqmi-glib5 libqmi-proxy libqrcodegencpp1 libqxp-0.0-0 libraptor2-0 librasqal3 libraw20 librdf0
  libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw
  libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-help-common libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math
  libreoffice-style-colibre libreoffice-writer librevenge-0.0-0 libridl-java libsmbclient libsonic0
  libspeechd2 libstaroffice-0.0-0 libstemmer0d libsuitesparseconfig5 libtalloc2 libteamdctl0 libtevent0
  libumfpack5 libuno-cppu3 libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3 libuno-purpenvhelpergcc3-3 libuno-sal3
  libuno-salhelpergcc3-3 libunoloader-java libvisio-0.1-1 libwbclient0 libwpd-0.10-10 libwpg-0.3-3
  libwps-0.4-4 libxmlsec1-nss libyajl2 libyaml-0-2 libzmf-0.0-0 lightdm-gtk-greeter lp-solve
  mobile-broadband-provider-info modemmanager mythes-en-us network-manager network-manager-gnome
  node-normalize.css orca p11-kit p11-kit-modules packagekit packagekit-tools perl-tk python3-brlapi
  python3-cairo python3-cups python3-cupshelpers python3-dbus python3-feedparser python3-gi-cairo
  python3-ldb python3-louis python3-musicbrainzngs python3-mutagen python3-pyatspi python3-pyinotify
  python3-smbc python3-speechd python3-talloc python3-uno python3-xdg quodlibet samba-libs sound-icons
  speech-dispatcher speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins speech-dispatcher-espeak-ng sphinx-rtd-theme-common
  system-config-printer system-config-printer-common system-config-printer-udev uno-libs-private ure
  usb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data wpasupplicant xbrlapi xkbset xsane xsane-common
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.

Most probably the answer will be in ? tl;dr (yet)
That I received from Head_on_a_Stick

#11 Re: Other Issues » how to not install additional package when doing apt purge !? » 2022-06-25 08:38:02

Thank you @Head_on_a_Stick,

# update-rc.d slim disable

work perfectly ! Thanks.

Talking about metapackage I've seen a bug (when apt want to remove a lot of package for no reason) I will try to reproduce and open another topic.

#12 Re: Other Issues » XFCE and X11 (Dock) » 2022-06-25 08:36:27

Second bug,

if I disable slim ( thx Head_on_a_Stick )

# update-rc.d slim disable

then reboot, then it is no more possible to run plank !!?? I guess the problem lay in plank ?

#13 Re: Other Issues » how to not install additional package when doing apt purge !? » 2022-06-25 07:51:34

what's weird too is that if I select

slim on this menu

it's anyway installing lightdm

$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager 


#14 Re: Other Issues » XFCE and X11 (Dock) » 2022-06-25 07:47:38

I just redid a new devuan VM

and indeed plank work. I guess I had to screw something with my previous vm.

Do you experience the same plank bug ? (see red arrow) ->


#15 Re: Other Issues » XFCE and X11 (Dock) » 2022-06-25 06:07:20

Thank you @MiyoLinux,

$ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager

So SLIM is not just a login manager but also a display-manager !?

Is was thinking that X11 was a display manager ??? I'm confuse now...

#16 Re: Other Issues » how to not install additional package when doing apt purge !? » 2022-06-25 06:00:27

Thank you @Camtaf,


Camtaf wrote:

... is trying to be 'helpful' by not breaking it, I expect.

But I don't think that menu as been generated by apt it self right ?

So from where come this menu (screenshot) ? and why ? and why not have the possibility (like before) to not have any GUI Login manager ?

#18 Other Issues » how to not install additional package when doing apt purge !? » 2022-06-24 07:11:49

Replies: 6


on another VM I did a apt purge slim
and it just removed slim.

now when I try the same command on another vm I got

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.
The following additional packages will be installed:
  liblightdm-gobject-1-0 lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter task-desktop
  task-xfce-desktop tasksel tasksel-data
Suggested packages:
  accountsservice xserver-xephyr
Recommended packages:
  gnome-themes-extra cups
The following packages will be REMOVED:
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  liblightdm-gobject-1-0 lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter
The following packages will be upgraded:
  task-desktop task-xfce-desktop tasksel tasksel-data
4 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 1 to remove and 143 not upgraded.
Need to get 463 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,017 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

So weird that it will force install

liblightdm-gobject-1-0 lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter task-desktop task-xfce-desktop tasksel tasksel-data

is this necessary to get rid of slim ?????

I've tried apt --no-install-recommends purge slim but that do not work either...

#19 Re: Other Issues » XFCE and X11 (Dock) » 2022-06-23 09:50:00

Talking about I've just try also
apt install latte-dock
and i got

After this operation, 1,711 MB yikes of additional disk space will be used.

is that normal / usual with Linux ??

#20 Other Issues » XFCE and X11 (Dock) » 2022-06-23 09:37:04

Replies: 6

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for an animated and simple dock.

I just installed apt install plank

but when I try to launch it I get

[AbstractMain:255] Only X11 environments are supported.

I'm running Devuan 4, XFCE 4.16

Is XFCE not compatible with apps for X11 ? or is it plank that have a bug ?


#21 Re: DIY » How redeploy devuan with all my settings / tweaks / image » 2022-06-22 13:35:29

Thank you @golinux !

I don't know those tools (I will dig). Do I need the three of them ?

I found some info on this very forum smile


#22 DIY » How redeploy devuan with all my settings / tweaks / image » 2022-06-22 05:14:25

Replies: 2

Hi everyone,

Do you know a neat way to redeploy my Devuan (current settings, like kind of a fork ?) on another computer and more importantly on new fresh Devuan next version ?

I was thinking to make a (long) script with all the apt and cp necessary but this a long process.. maybe something else exist ?


#23 Re: DIY » Nala (a prettier apt?) » 2022-06-22 05:02:27

is nala depend on apt ?

or could we remove apt ? like apt purge apt ? big_smile

#24 Re: DIY » Nala (a prettier apt?) » 2022-06-22 04:56:40

manyroads wrote:

... and MXLinux (non-systemd Debian).

Can you confirm that you run MXLinux on sysvinit ?
Last time I tried it was systemd and during the install no choice to choose sysvinit.

ps -p 1

#25 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] install offline ATOM editor » 2022-06-14 17:52:25

Hi everyone,

Thank you for your inputs !

I found something really great for me (that support many langues and have a ton of feature and this is FOSS big_smile ->

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