Opinions about keypassXC

steve_v · Yesterday 18:57:01

I wasn't poking fun at anyone

"Lol, in 29 mb" sure sounds like throwing shade at keepassxc on account of installed size, and that's a reflection on the developers, no?

the cruft you mentioned out (which my app doesn't have or need)

Right, so documentation is bloat, and everyone speaks English. Got it.

What I made does the basic main task such things should do, it's tiny so there's a lot less to go wrong and it's easy to audit, and a good solid base if someone wanted to expand on it.

Sure, I never said your program wasn't good. It's not your code or your contribution I took issue with, rather the misleading comparisons you keep making.

here I am trying to do something about it and you're giving me misery too?

No, I'm giving you misery for making obviously skewed comparisons. Including translations isn't "bloat", it's basic accessibility.
Focusing on code size and/or memory footprint above all else is also rarely the whole picture, and frankly I'm tired of constantly hearing about it.

Same goes for the hair-shirt minimalism shtick in general, as popular as it appears around here. 4MiB or whatever is nothing, and translations are only loaded when needed.
Trading away features to be able to brag about how small something is is dumb, and not everyone needs or wants to compute on a turnip.
Debian/Devuan is a general-purpose distribution, running on 20 year old hardware is not and should not be the priority. There are whole distros dedicated to minimising memory and disk use.

golinux · Yesterday 20:42:51

Have you ever considered that greenjeans might be making those decisions in order to best serve his local community of aging, non-techie neighbors that often only have access to older, sub-par hardware? Or community service at his local Library to provide public internet access? Didn't think so. Service to others is so not your forte . . .

brocashelm · Yesterday 22:03:44

I share the same sentiments as Andre4freedom. Your contributions are always welcomed.

I also think Steve_V was incredibly rude in his responses to Greenjeans. There was no need for the putdown, let alone on someone who actually contributes code and hardly ever complains. There are a couple of others who'd warrant such treatment, but not him.

greenjeans wrote:

And no i'm not shoving all that QT crap into my system, GTK has issues but QT sucks too.

I can't stand GTK at all anymore, but at least it's more viable for a uniformed system. If you use Xfce, stick to GTK. If you use LXQt, stick to Qt. Mixing the two tends to draw in more system resources than not. Unfortunately, all GUI toolkit "options" are problematic in their own ways.

steve_v · Yesterday 22:20:29

Again, no there is no putdown toward greenjeans nor his fine contributions, what I take issue with is the size comparison - the argument, not the person.
If you want to take "your comparison is disingenuous" to be some kind of general personal attack... Whatever dude. vOv

Last edited by steve_v (Yesterday 22:22:04)

brocashelm · Today 00:10:58

It's the tone that's hostile, not the context itself that some took issue with. You did come on strong initially. Almost militant, completely disregarding what he's given back to this community thus far.

If you had included this initially:

steve_v wrote:

fine contributions

...the entire thing would have been better received.

This would have been a more constructive way to criticize what someone said that you disagreed on:

With all due respect to your valuable coding contributions (especially the effort you put into Vuu-do), this statement isn't correct. Here's why that isn't true. Hope this helps.

Instead, they (myself included) read it as:

Look, you're wrong. This is why you're wrong. You should never make a statement like that ever again, because you're wrong. I just disproved you, asshole. W for me, L for you. I won another online argument. Bite me.

You could get the same point across by being a bit more personal with the person you disagree with. Like I said, I'm generally on your side when you go after some of the actual complainers and other specimens existing solely to waste space (they deserve it), but Greenjeans isn't the type of person to be on the receiving end. He's a good dude. That is all.

P.S. I can only speak for myself, but I am not in the "hurt feelings" crowd. I can take a heated disagreement. It's about understanding why you think a different way, instead of coming across as being a condescending prick, even if you say that wasn't the intention. That's really why Greenjeans was pissed off.

steve_v · Today 00:58:58

You could get the same point across by being a bit more personal with the person you disagree with.

Touche, diplomacy is not my forte. My intent was was not personal disparagement but a technical disagreement on the measurement criteria. If I came across otherwise, my apologies.

My confrontational wording was largely due to ongoing frustration (here and elsewhere) with use of code or overall package size as a proxy for quality or usefulness. Obsessing over memory or disk space and perceived "bloat" does, as they say, "pull my chain", and doubly so when the numbers presented are potentially misleading.
None of that has anything to do with greenjeans personally of course, if it sounded like a personal attack, again, my apologies.

Last edited by steve_v (Today 01:01:18)

JWM-Kit · Today 04:11:26

steve_v wrote:

Debian/Devuan is a general-purpose distribution, running on 20 year old hardware is not and should not be the priority. There are whole distros dedicated to minimising memory and disk use.

None of the so-called minimal distros are as good as doing a bare install of Debian/Devuan with a simple window manager, So why wouldn't people be talking about using Debian/Devuan on old PCs? Many people consider it the best option for such machines.

brocashelm · Today 04:20:06

steve_v wrote:

Touche, diplomacy is not my forte. My intent was was not personal disparagement but a technical disagreement on the measurement criteria. If I came across otherwise, my apologies.
My confrontational wording was largely due to ongoing frustration (here and elsewhere) with use of code or overall package size as a proxy for quality or usefulness. Obsessing over memory or disk space and perceived "bloat" does, as they say, "pull my chain", and doubly so when the numbers presented are potentially misleading.
None of that has anything to do with greenjeans personally of course, if it sounded like a personal attack, again, my apologies.

Cheers.

JWM-Kit wrote:

None of the so-called minimal distros are as good as doing a bare install of Debian/Devuan with a simple window manager, So why wouldn't people be talking about using Debian/Devuan on old PCs? Many people consider it the best option for such machines.

I think a bare install of Devuan with antiX scripts tossed in for good measure makes for a minimal system. Remove DEs and stick to a WM like i3 or DWM. Your only issue might be sticking with a browser that can access most of the modern Web, since Firefox and Chromium are heavy on GTK dependencies and will likely pull in D-Bus if installed "normally". Pale Moon and SeaMonkey are somewhere in between minimalism and usability.

zapper · Today 08:11:07

And as previously stated, @brocashelm, palemoon can build without d-bus. I have done it many times

JWM is especially lightweight on cpu usage. So you missed one window manager. i3-wm and dwm are also light, but they are much more minimal and have less functionality then JWM.

JWM, has the bare minimum I need for it to work on par with DEs but while still using very little resources.

You really don't need much to run jwm.

I bet it could run on less cpu power than almost every other window manager with a taskbar.

The officially official Devuan Forum!

#51 Yesterday 18:57:01

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#52 Yesterday 20:42:51

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#53 Yesterday 22:03:44

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#54 Yesterday 22:20:29

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#55 Today 00:10:58

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#56 Today 00:58:58

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#57 Today 04:11:26

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#58 Today 04:20:06

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

#59 Today 08:11:07

Re: Opinions about keypassXC

Board footer