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pcalvert

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Registered: 2017-05-15

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Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

Some systemd-related news:

Knoppix 8.6 first wide public release to abandon systemd

Last edited by pcalvert (2019-08-21 08:19:56)

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fsmithred

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Registered: 2016-11-25

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

Here's a presentation by Klaus Knopper on why he does not need the complexity of systemd for Knoppix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDXsw2ijRkw

No great revelations. Just a neutral talk about what systemd does and what he had to do to replace it and trim down the system to where he wanted it.

masterpeace

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Registered: 2019-08-20

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

after i read about systemd , i can see why everyone here and on mx forum avoids it ...

it practically broke all the UNIX tenet . But after digging while learning , i found that this kind of tragedy (from scholar point of view) are basically redhat trying to unify linux world . i don't mean to start a debate/flamewar/etc , but after breaking all the UNIX tenet did they realize that they're trying to make linux into something which we seek refugee from ?

i still haven't believe yet that redhat and all of their tragedy are inherently evil since they bring good result (economically) , but i agree that they are nasty . i came from windows to *nix-world because of ... you know windows thingies , but it turns out , *nix-world is also threatened by corporation too . so i give this opportunity to give my thanks for you guys here at devuan forum , mx forum , and my first circle of linux . i believe you guys can hold on until linux came back to it's former glory .

All Hail Linux ! Long Live Devuan ! Long Live MX ! Down to systemd !

P.S. sorry for my broken english

Ron

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Registered: 2018-04-22

Posts: 526  

Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

This is good news. Hopefully more distros will follow in ditching systemd.
Now next on the chopping block, pulseaudio.

masterpeace

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Registered: 2019-08-20

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

actually i have this big question in my mind but only a big if ...

what will happen to devuan if at any point of the future , debian decided to ditch systemd ?

golinux

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Registered: 2016-11-25

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

That question is a total waste of time and mental space. It would be more useful to focus on what needs to be done for Devuan NOW.

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Head_on_a_Stick

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Registered: 2019-03-24

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

From the article:

To still get a systemd-like session management, and thus retain the ability to shut down and restart the system as a normal user, I run the session manager "elogind" instead.

So they can do that because of the hard work of the Devuan developers

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bgstack15

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

I remember Knoppix dics from way back when! I haven't used it in a very long time. It's good to see other distros are making choices that align with ours! Also, the elogind tool seems pretty nice too for allowing the user session to shut down as expected.

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xinomilo

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

couldn't get new knoppix to boot, no matter what... could be a damaged iso, but was disappointed
knoppix & mepis were really doing everything right, long before the *buntus appeared. IIRC back then, knoppix was the easiest method to install debian.

fsmithred

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Re: Knoppix 8.6 — first wide public release to abandon systemd

Boots for me in qemu:
qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 512 -smp cores=2,threads=2 -cdrom KNOPPIX_V8.6-2019-08-08-EN.iso

Boots fast.