Proposal "Devuan User Repository"

steve_v · Yesterday 06:27:44

fsmithred wrote:

Separate repos for each user's contributions

exponentialmatrix wrote:

I'm following the AUR architecture. It's over 20 years old, i doubt you'll do better.

Arch isn't the only game in town, Gentoo has had "overlays" since before Arch existed and those come in both varieties - most are per-contributor (and usually self-hosted), while project GURU serves as an official community repository, with oversight somewhere between "trusted Gentoo packaging" and "J. Random git bucket".
GURU structure and regulation sounds similar to what you are proposing (and the latter is strict enough to allay my earlier concern WRT quality), so it might be worth ~~plagiarising~~ reading.

greenjeans wrote:

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Yes, yes he is.
And

golinux wrote:

You just gave me an opportunity to fire up my image blocker.

Is as petty as ever.

golinux wrote:

Remember...

Reminisce about your glory days a bit harder Go, maybe it will start to sound like an apology - which is what you really owe greenjeans for that earlier comment.

golinux wrote:

options to distract users from focusing on essentials. Seems a bit like "fiddling while Rome burns"

Huh, must be the same crystal ball after all... I was thinking the same about forum themes and "visual identity".

Since other people's proposals for attracting more packagers and maintainers are apparently a waste of effort, perhaps this is a good time to introduce yours?

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EDX-0 · Yesterday 09:42:15

since the user made content was mentioned, and the stated goal of the proposed devuan user repo is to be an "educational staging area" it may be a nice idea to encourage stuff from the user made content and the DIY forum to be packaged in the DUR proposal, i mean there are more than a pair of scripts from greenjeans that many would add to their setups if there was a package or at least a package recipe.

blackhole · Yesterday 12:56:14

Wasn't this "user repository" thing, originally a 'buntu idea? PPAs...? It was a great way to end up with a broken system. Back in the "good old days", we would see a lot of threads where someone installed from a PPA and the result was a broken mess and pleas for help. They were all free to do that and break stuff, but we were also free to not waste our time talking them through fixing it.

I'm not averse to it, but it seems pointless. Either use what's in the repositories or build whatever else you need from source?

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exponentialmatrix · Yesterday 13:08:52

Three years ago, we had a user who put in the effort to help Devuan by creating a DVD set production script and a survey of user-made content. There was a lot of potential to help the project out in both cases, but of course, he was bullied and driven away by a few people in position of power over a non-issue (source). Not long after, one of the staff members unilaterally removed the quote-to-reply functionality without consulting the active userbase first, just because of said non-issue that bothered said staff member.
Had said incident not happened, he would have likely contributed directly to the releases of Daedalus and now Excalibur, as well as the next testing version Freia. Instead of throwing all this bureaucratic crap on regular users offering to volunteer in SOME form, maybe consider that they (we) are the ones who keep Devuan's wheels spinning, and without these users, Devuan loses users to another distro like Artix or even Gentoo.

I was wandering where was the "quote to reply".

I start having second thoughts now about contributing. They are plenty of projects that are socially toxic.

steve_v · Yesterday 13:15:41

They are plenty of projects that are socially toxic.

Devuan as a whole is largely fine, it's just the administration of this board.

blackhole · Yesterday 13:35:18

Ultimately if you have a problem with the admin, you have to vote with your feet. The situation has been the same here for years and most if not all of you have been aware of it. I don't tend to take it too seriously anymore.

There are "fans" of this Linux distribution who would possibly take deep personal offence at being on the receiving end of some administrative action... and there are those of us who are not invested / don't care.

The admin aren't the only perceived problem. Aside from "commie bastards" like me, there have been assorted (mostly right wing conspiracy theorist) basket cases frequenting this site over the years - given free reign - and it's likely one of the big factors in why Devuan project isn't taken seriously by many.

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ralph.ronnquist · Yesterday 13:36:52

@steve_v: Are you volunteering?

exponentialmatrix · Yesterday 13:47:51

peoples political views are not a problem, as long as they don't attempt a purge on others.

I think a distro could be neutral.

exponentialmatrix · Yesterday 13:55:07

Any way, about the subject. I would need to transfer two orgs from gitea to git.devuan

tux_99 · Yesterday 15:32:58

@exponentialmatrix
I think you will have more success if you contact the real devs on #devuan-dev at libera.chat like suggested by ralph.ronnquist in his earlier post, this forum doesn't seem to be where the real devs hang out.

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brocashelm · Yesterday 20:42:36

steve_v wrote:

Devuan as a whole is largely fine

Exactly. The other distros just don't do it for me much, regardless of the politics. I don't even use mainline Devuan -- I personally base all my installs on Refracta for having much better defaults for an as-minimalist-as-possible use case for Xfce. ALSA instead of PulseAudio, no metapackages, a fine-tuned magic SysRq key configuration, and a few other user-specific tweaks that make it a more appealing experience.

If not for Devuan or antiX, I probably would've just stuck with a Slackware derivative of some sort (like Salix or Slackel). At least unlike Debian with its estranged recent history and corporate-backed "decisions", they still have their founder involved and a community backing him with a philosophy that remains unchanged since 1993.

golinux · Yesterday 21:29:17

@exponentialmatrix . . . Have you not seen "The dev1galaxy.org (almost) No Code of Conduct"?

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=17

That is the core ethos of this amazing distro and as you can see we are extremely tolerant of the BS that gets thrown at us. That does not however mean that we do not have limits. In fact . . . steve_v had a nice "time out" not that long ago.

golinux · Yesterday 22:14:11

We experience the external world as a reflection of who and what we are. Not all our users are as grumpy, hostile and insulting as some who have been posting recently:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=58675#p58675

What stands out most to me personally is the Devuan project team and this community. In Peppermint, we dabble in different base operating systems, we reach out to their maintainers, asking about build tools, getting a feel of what’s involved. Out of all those experiences, the Devuan community has been by far the most open, helpful, and approachable group we’ve encountered at the core OS level.
From guidance on branding and ISO compilation tools to troubleshooting fsroot issues, everyone here has been incredibly generous with their time and help.
Honestly, other communities can be gatekeepers, toxic, or just plain mean… but the Devuan folks are a breath of fresh air.

greenjeans · Yesterday 22:23:59

Meanwhile (yet still on topic), I have just packaged and uploaded another piece of free software (my apologies for it not being vital to Devuan's core infrastructure).

So yeah, Sourceforge is just too easy, and I don't see a compelling alternative right now other than this idea forming here. Lots of people are sick of git and all the weird pageantry one must endure to create an "official" package.

ralph.ronnquist · Yesterday 22:31:12

@exponentialmatrix: I'm sorry for all those irrelevant posts on this thread.

You are quite welcome to setup your "Devuan User Repository" on git.devuan.org using the means provided. I know you would like the "user organisations" feature, and if that is a show stopper for you, then it's understandable that you can't use the Devuan's git store.

One avenue for inducing change to Devuan's setup could be to engage with other people than just me. For example, you could take part in the weekly (video) meetings, and in there try to push for the particular changes you want to see. Though it probably will take engagement effort and that you maintain your community oriented spirit.

... Plus perhaps that you reflect on your position regarding organisational shrouding on the git store so as to be able to explain it to us at least how your case is different (and especially not a way to avoid or reduce personal responsibility). We are all just people, with a range of different understandings and opinions, and your views will matter as well.

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