Hi

I am sorry, dear GlennW, but it was absolutely not the question! Read pls right: I have a good and complete (Original Refracta) installation but don' t know the way

how

I can move that installation

- from the USB memory card

- on the HardDisk from new computer

using the refracta tools (because the refracta tools are not ONE tool each but a library from different tools and the destination of each possible action is not evident for newbies...).

For other users of the community:

As I did explain in a long post at the Puppy Linux forum, I will build my own pupy-linux-kind system on Devuan. And I will only install that, what I did use in the last 5 years with a few quantity extra of packages for children and youth people (in order of importance, there are: granule, nted, the go game, xsane-tesseractOCR-gimagereader to practice foreign language without to really speak them, diverse hunspell's, kturtle, UCBLogo, scratch2 (needs wine and the old free version of Adobe AIR, a 32 bit stuff!), and sometime marble or marbleQT)

I will use nano and erase vim. in X, I can use Xedit as it is always present (also in Puppy Linux!) excepted in SliTaz. Same thing for Xcalc (Why a cow if I only need a glass milk!).

My office is of course
- at beginning time during installations period didiwiki in a browser like "link" if outside xorg (yes, you can smart writing in only char web browser with didiwiki!!! You have normal, fat, italic and underlined. You can manage titels. You can easily manage sheets with columns. And you can include place for pictures and print out through cups, as also samba, cups does not require Xorg! The didiwiki pages are very small text pages in ~/.didiwiki . It is easy to build and manage a calender in didiwiki sheet! And all the contains can be bound with links together!

- later, in Xorg, I use mgp (the presentation MaGicPoint)+abiword+gnumeric+a group of 3 internet browsers (luakit+midori (sorry, is not at the Devuan depository)+epiphany web) as the need of place is unsignificativ different for one or all 3+mTpaint+viewnior+mHwaveedit. didiwiki is good to bring the house budget in columns to the paper and can be enough if using dedicated pages, easy to realize using the HTML links.

This is a very small basis equipment.

Concerning sound, I really prefer pulse audio but alsa stuff can be enough.

Concerning player, I continue to search. I don't like all the new versions! I continue to use old Debian-Dogs versions (see Puppy linux forum) if I need some one (as they did have very precise tools in the past, to select parts of video to see or repeat, other did have tools to play progressively slower or faster etc. I simply miss realy those tools today!)

MaGicPoint: the probably most tiny linux really good realized, the BASLIN on 2 old 1,5 GB floppy's, 1 floppy for Linux, 1 floppy for the few preinstalled app's did propose a version of MaGicPoint where it was possible to draw , yes, handing to draw with the mouse! It was the only one really graphic app of the microscopic distribution! But it did show which potential is in MGP! Also BASLIN did use JWM, my prefered screen manager (you don't need some "slim" if you will mostly directly start from the ISO for ex. through the RAM. but if you want, you can install it to give a standard feeling to your work and will always start in graphic mode.

Write with 2 very different writting systems:

- us and hindi or us and tamil or us and korean: all above stuff supports it if you can use the keyboard directly (I do so!).
you can try to install a /etc/X11/xorg.conf like in Puppy Linux (see there!) to commute from language to language f. ex. with SHIFT+CTRL!

- us and chinese or japanese: go to https://inputking.com, an excellent editor for far east and other languages with integrated keayboard view. But no save tools: you have to mark and save yourself with the mouse into an opening extra editor, can probably each other editor supporting the language.

But you have to add adequate fonts! Not forget it or nothing happens...

Hi

Thank you very much!
I will of course also install snapshot-base, installer-base and refracta2usb.

Are other tools from refracta or / and from star recommendable (from start in all cases /mnt/sda1/etc/apt/sources.list. When I am installing a package, I do it always with apt in 3 pass: PASS 1 for ex.
# sudo apt install deborphan clex links didiwiki # after that I answer always "N" to get to pass 2
# sudo apt install deborphan clex links didiwiki > ./i/iDeborphanClexLinksDidiwiki # after that I continue to answer "N" to get to pass 3
and I press Cursor Up twice to get the line pass 1 unchanged again and execute. So I have in the ./i/iXxYyZz files all the details concerning the recommendations and can sometimes immediately extend a bit the content of the first pass to add some known recommendable package like "lame" for sounds packages etc.

important for me is also an ~/.Xresources files because I am old and the resolution of my laptop is for me extreme...

is the use of  the option --include linux-image-amd64,grub-pc in the line:
debootstrap --arch amd64 ceres /mnt http://deb.devuan.org/merged   
also following new line:

debootstrap --include linux-image-amd64,sudo,grub-pc,xorg,menu,jwm,slim,didiwiki,links --arch amd64 ceres /mnt http://deb.devuan.org/merged  

because

if I can do that (perhaps before I add /etc/apt/sources.list amd the other recommend scripts in chroot), I can highly standardise my own debootstrap proceedering and so eliminate reason to forget somewhat! Later is all the installation documented in .bash_history as well as in my iXxYxZz-files of installation steps including time. No need from some "changes"-file (note:it would be of course possible, to prepare/add .bash_history with mark lines with details of steps made in chroot!). As user, I don't continue tu use user / user any more: you must walk on divers places and lines of the keyboard. Why not x / x or x / . directly? It is on the space bar line at the keyboard!

Last question:

Debian/Devuan (?) includes in it's debootstrap list heavy localisation's packages I don't need: I know where I am. I find not good that the system helps to trace the user. This is the reason and force of the Puppy Linux (*1 community ;-) . A lot of members don't use some "save-file" or system: They save conscienciously their works in the system hierarchy or for ex. in emails to themselves being in the web... Can the debootstrap index amended before start?

(*1 as Puppy Linux is getting as big, is the combination Refracta + Refracta snapshot or Devuan + Refracta snapshot or Star Linux + Refracta snapshot an high quality substitute for Puppy-Linux!

Kind regards

Thank you very much for this best and clear info!

thank you very much for your fast answers. yes, I think about using the system on divers old laptops (all my laptops are old but my main laptop only has USB. as it is an old i7 8 GB 3/4 TB from Dell, I suppose it is not an usb 3.1 port. my next usefull laptop is an old acer emachine AMD64 2 GB 240 GB, but I own also 3 old laptops only with Pentium and max. 2 GB RAM (certain) and small HD. so I install better in i86 as for AMD64... and I suppose that only my main PC has so what exquisite like USB3!

I prefer to install refracta as I am interest in use of refracta snapshot as the stick is very big compared with my actual poor equipment...

the refracta ISO in 32 bit is also only a few days old in Daedalus, so the refracta tools will probably actually really work (last year, as Devuan announces do not appear at distrowatch, I did reinstall to late and it was later not possible for me to amend that problem as I did have yet to much private data in /etc, /root, and /home and have no adequate refracta config.file !

hI
thank you very much for your fast answer!
I use gnuinos-5.0.0-daedalus_2022.11.05-xfce_i686.iso in full installation on harddisk, and did had in lot of steps following packages:

sudo apt install refractainstaller-base refractainstaller-gui refractasnapshot-base refractasnapshot-gui deborphan didiwiki viewnior mhwaveedit nted abiword gnumeric mgp sane-utils cups tesseract-ocr gimagereader gprolog lifelines

though I did not already use all, I suppose that all that works properly. all that was old from the last month, installed with ap-get in the full install.

as I did discover in the last day the new version from Devuan daedalus, I did try a apt-get update and constate that I have to update and did do it on the full installation.

with the updated installation, I did try my first refracta snapshot on it using the gui. it did happen very fast and produce an
snapshot-20221230_0120.iso.sha256 93 bytes
snapshot-20221230_0120.iso 1,1 GB
without any problem.
I did write it on a 2 GB memory card with fresh new partition table with an unique new partition FAT16 with boot flag using through "dd".
This starts pretty in an adequate card reader after reboot until the new system from the new iso search in the found partition but ends in a small console with the error message after relatively long searching informing that no new system to start was found in the founded stuff: the system did not find the system again on the stick where it did start.

I know no adequate command to enter in the small console to inform it where is /usb/sb1 and invite it to continue.

Does it give an adequate succession of commands?

I am a step more in my search of the possibility to install ceres!

The 5 GB Iso I did download placed on the Devuan Site https://files.devuan.org/ (the official site) under

https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/

where we also find no README.txt but only a broken (hum!) NOTE.txt

If I continue to investigate, I meet following problem:

file devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso
devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220704_amd64_pool1.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Devuan 5.0'

if I do the same with my actual snapshot isos, you will see the difference!

file snapshot-20220630_1739.iso
snapshot-20220630_1739.iso: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0x17, active, start-CHS (0x0,2,1), end-CHS (0x1ff,63,32), startsector 64, 1048512 sectors

you see the difference please?

there is probably  no boot ability in that ISO placed under .../installer-iso/...

hum !?!

how can I boot, can YOU boot it?

Hi Rolfie

Thank you very much, yes, did know it, but also at the official download page, there is no CD-iso number 1 (one)!

thank you very much. best infos!

the terror continues!

I did spend today all the (free) time to try to install devuan again in an new supplementary partition (my old one initially subject of this msg were convert soon in ceres and did be continuously updated and works well in 32 bit).
today, my purpose was to do the same in 64 bit.
as I did remember the terrible experience above, I did download and burn on a usb stick a "devuan" installation prepared and offered by refracta since begin of may 2022 (devuan_chimaera_4.0.0-signed_amd64_minimal-live.iso ) and hoppe it is possible to install fresh with that live iso.
the iso does not start at all!
after that, I did try the very hard way and to use the ISO devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso from the devuan miror.
the iso starts and works.

but the success is exactly the same as above moths ago: the installation (expert mode) is not operable because no password for root...

you can not continue!

I did repeat this evening, with extreme attention concerning my entries, and I am absolutely certain at the second time, that die have no error.

but nothing to do to use the installation!

it is again a case of absolute TERROR!

resume of my experience last time (not today!) in 32 bit:

https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=4898