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#1 2022-06-30 17:39:14

oui
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[solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

Hi
I did try yesterday and today to upgrade a minimal installation from Chimerea to Ceres (yesterday) or Deadalus (today) and did have no success: the init-etc system doesnot work any more after that.

(With the consequence that the update-grub does not work correctly! The other installations, my good Chimerea, did not appear any more after that!)

I did also see, it is only a secondary constation, that the Refracta-Apps are NOT connected correctly with the old classical package management of Linux in the special app named "menu": they are not in. The base-app's no, and the gui-apps no.
Pls transmit to the mainteners...

How to install Ceres a bit more easy?

Last edited by oui (2022-06-30 22:18:11)

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#2 2022-06-30 17:48:29

golinux
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

ceres = sid = unstable

This link might be helpful to you.

As to fixing things . . . you have gone where I would never go.  Be prepared for a reinstall.

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#3 2022-06-30 19:31:40

xinomilo
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

new installation would be better in any case...
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you could use a daedalus(testing) installer iso : https://devuan.ipacct.com/devuan-cd/dev … aller-iso/ (random mirror, choose anyone from https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan ) . preferably install a very minimal system, and dist-upgrade that, to avoid many issues between dist-upgrades later on..
note, daedalus/testing might be more suitable to your scenario with a bit more stability and newer software (?) in that case keep daedalus or replace repos with "testing", to have a rolling release..
if you want to have packages from unstable too(...), i'd suggest to add ceres repos (don't remove daedalus/testing), then dist-upgrade and reboot (in a minimal system as suggested - add more packages after reboot-everything's working.).
you might want to keep daedalus/testing with higher priority (apt pinning) for a bit more "stability"...

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if you start with chimaera install (also keep very minimal at first), dist-upgrade to daedalus, reboot, and then add ceres repos and dist-upgrade again. reboot, and then add any DEs/extra software..



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#4 2022-06-30 20:24:25

golinux
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

xinomilo wrote:

new installation would be better in any case...

. . .  in that case keep daedalus or replace repos with "testing", to have a rolling release . . .

It is not a good idea to use "stable" or "testing" etc. Why? because Debian and Devuan releases are sometimes not  in sync.

This from https://www.devuan.org/os/packages:

Devuan recommends using the codename (beowulf, chimaera, daedalus, ceres) rather than the suite (oldstable, stable, testing, unstable) in /etc/apt/sources.list entries. Please go to Devuan Release Information for a detailed explanation.

Other link posted above.

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#5 2022-06-30 22:17:39

oui
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

thank you very much. best infos!

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#6 2022-07-01 14:35:05

xinomilo
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

ofcourse @golinux is right, because debian testing is not devuan testing after debian release and untill newest devuan is released.. so in that time you'd be using debian testing with devuan stable(to-be) packages.  not a good/compatible thing..
so advice for experienced apt users only : if you really want a rolling release, and not to change repos on every stable release, go with a testing/ceres mix. so you still get newer packages from ceres even during the devuan release freeze time.
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otherwise keep stable (and piece of mind). smile

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#7 2022-07-01 14:43:07

alexkemp
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

The combo I found that has worked is to introduce Backports. Guaranteed not to destroy your setup. Here is my example for Chimaera (last line):

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates main non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan chimaera-proposed-updates main non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main non-free contrib

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#8 2022-07-01 17:47:56

oui
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

Hallo

I remember now. I did visit the page https://devuan.ipacct.com/devuan-cd/dev … aller-iso/ and did renounce automatic as I did not find some devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220627_amd64_cd1.iso and only the extrem big download     devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220627_amd64_pool1.iso with release mark "1" is offered.

where is

devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220627_amd64_cd1.iso

to find?

@alexkemp and @xinomilo: thank you very much!

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#9 2022-07-01 19:52:18

rolfie
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

oui wrote:

where is

devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220627_amd64_cd1.iso

to find?

At the top of this forum page is a link to the official Devuan Download repo.

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#10 2022-07-01 20:44:39

oui
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

Hi Rolfie

Thank you very much, yes, did know it, but also at the official download page, there is no CD-iso number 1 (one)!

Last edited by oui (2022-07-01 21:04:29)

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#11 2022-07-01 22:23:37

golinux
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

oui wrote:

Hi Rolfie

Thank you very much, yes, did know it, but also at the official download page, there is no CD-iso number 1 (one)!

Oh yes there is a CD1!!

From: https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan

server (~670 MB): CD1 of a 4 CD set that allows for a complete off-line server/minimal installation. The remaining CDs offer several desktop choices and a limited selection of additional software.

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#12 2022-07-01 23:03:06

fsmithred
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

There are currently no daedalus (testing) installer isos with an installer. This week's isos were not installable due to a new package with dependency problems. We pulled them to save everyone the time of getting part way through the install only to fail. The isos that are there are the ones that contain extra packages. They are not bootable.

The offending package is cron-daemon-common. Here's the bug report:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … ug=1013916

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#13 2022-07-02 19:40:59

ndavilam
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

Do you have a repo where you store an image of devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview older than the one that is failing? sad

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#14 2022-07-02 21:27:55

fsmithred
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Re: [solved] upgrade the installation to ceres or daedalus

No, we're not archiving the testing isos. To install daedalus or ceres now, you can either install a chimaera base system and upgrade or else do a debootstrap install. All the live isos have debootstrap installed.

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