Huh! I hope it will not happen but the NATURAL JWM version best to make the maintenance more easy!

(Some one try to terribly deform JWM to make out it a terribly poor KDE!)

analog to my action yesterday with Crowz, I did spend the day today to upgrade Star 32 bit from Beowulf to Daedalus with exactly the same scope of applications as yersterday with Crowz excepted anbox (probably not available at all in 32 bit?). I did have to install an other video editor, but I have one in my new installation.

I did procede in progressive steps so I have a version in Chimaera only the same base as Star (excepted base of the refracta tools and deborphan), a other snapshot  iso full with all the same app's as yersterday. And that one did be upgraded. The size of the snapshot iso is now 1,8 GB. I am interesting to see how it will start on my old PC's ;-) ! If not, I have the Chimaera version to test also!

Non-English people will have to add some files in /us/share/fonts, or .../hunspell, or .../tesseract-ocr to make their keyboard and spell usage adequate. and they will have to adapt the commutation of her keyboard. in Puppy Linux, I use both to do that:

- xorg.conf (as Puppy Linux continues to be full compatible with it ;-) ! Thank you Barry Kauler!)

- the Xfce4 settings to interchange one of the 4 keyboards hitting on SHIFT+CTRL.

This seems to become terribly difficult in big distrtibutions ("Zu viele Köche versalzen den Brei...")!

Attention: Crowz install only a part of the ttf fonts of the familie Liberation!

How to write Asian languages:

use your browser and go to

https://www.inputking.com/

(the Input King editor in the browser is good but includes no save routine: you have to do that yourself with CTRL c or CTRL x or mark text and hit on the right mouse key and "copy¨!

before I did make my snapshots, I did have to adapt my

/home/f/.config/openbox/menu.xml

with following text part:

as well as my

/etc/jwm/system.jwmrc

with

(but it seems so, as I did forget to install grun :-o !)

xfce4-appfinder require only a minimal among of byte (in an installation having about 3 GB or a few more in daedalus)! why continue to use those old *.xml documents at it change! it is nonsens to spare at appfinder!!!

I did open a few minutes ago my .bash_history and the application did mark the wrong spell places in the doc.

I did try to open «aout» to see which app nemo (I prefer nemo!) did open for that very simple hiden text document. In «about», that document does not say where it is! I suppose it was abiword. In this case, the spell checking in abiword would work correctly.

but the other applications (internal editor window's from the 3 installed browsers (epiphany, luakit, midori)? and the main text editor, mousepad?

as I did never learn English, it is a very important function for me! Actually, no spell checking seems to work in «midori». You poor reader of my literature!

(which system I am using now: Crowz64Daedalus started from USB stick!)

This evening, I have do an decisive step using Crowz. If no error messages will appear in the future ( ;-) ) I have 2 64-bit installations and 2 refractasnapshots starting well.

each one for

- crowz based on Chimerea updated to the actual level

snapshot size 1300 MB

- crowz, the same installation, but upgraded on Daedalus.

snapshot size 1700 MB

It is of course a lot more that the initial size of 710 MB.

And I did have a lot of new tentatives to reach this (for me in my eyes) actual success.

The last ones did happen:

- installation from more packages: using sudo apt update and sudo apt install x y z
- upgrade to Daedalus: using synaptic (do not forget to open the «DETAILS» windows and answer all with «keep» excepted «restart all deamons» Y !

My .bash_history:

sudo apt install deborphan xli menu jwm refractasnapshot-base refractainstaller-base aqemu winetricks anbox midori didiwiki luakit wordgrinder-x11 mgp cups xsane tesseract-ocr gimagereader samba mtpaint mhwaveedit nted granule kturtle swi-prolog gforth marble-qt merkaartor olive-editor gramps librecad thunar nemo abiword gnumeric osmo gnucash gimp inkscape aeskulap

a lot of app's for families with children, the poor persons in Linux!

and the rest of the bash_history:

Why that?

I take care about the content and order in my bash_history: it is my memory what I do and how I do that ;-) !

other way

install the refracta tools for ex. using synaptic

make a refractasnapshot

prepare an USB stick with that

start the usb stick: immediatly after start, the snapshoted system offer to change the language with no ballast (other languages create a real ballast in your installation. And more, in the dialog between you and the system on the one side, and between you and such a community like that forum, at the other side.

~~~

andere Möglichkeit

installiere die Refracta-Werkzeuge (mit Hilfe von Synaptic)

und mache sofort ein Refracta-Snapshot von Deiner Installation.

Bringe es auf einem Stick

Starte mit dem Stick

Direkt im Startmenu wird Dir angeboten in einer anderen Sprache zu starten (Du musst F! glaube ich dafür drücken, und die Sprache sowie Tastatur angeben).

Das hat den Vorteil, nur Englisch in Deiner Installation zu haben, und unnötigen (beachtlichen) Ballast aussen vor zu lassen... Auch kannst Du leichter mit Anderen, so mit dem Forum, reden, da Du englischen Namen beherrschst!

actually, I did test Star Linux alias Crowz Linux to compare with gnuinos. My new Crowz system was unused. it boots in under 15 s.
Yesterday the comparable analog test with gnuinos need very more than one minute (as in the past an my old defect computer, so that I did not wonder at all. My full installation was there an very old but constantly re-actualized Deepin 64 bit. As I did not wonder,, I am sorry, I did not write the time needed to boot by gnuinos).
As because of electricity sparing because of the attack from Biden against Russia I am turning off the PC each time a go away and start new all the day of lot of times, this aspect of the use become a very important detail. Gnuinos is now dead for me, if I don´t find some way to change that...

(*1 I miss really xombrero: I don't like those webkit browser showing the past activity each time you open a new page! it is terrible I think... xombrero was so confortable like Firefox etc. lubuntu minimal did have 5..6 y. ago an extra depository (from France, a neighboor of our friend pushing here gnuinos!) for xombrero for lubuntu...

very good! thank you very much!

Hi

I thank aitor very much for following help to install with the old classic debootstrap installations mode:

As the message is difficult to find at the end of an already long thread where I did find it, I port it here from that about empty thread, where I will speak about my installation.

This evening, I am happy: the installation is about finish and correspond to my wishes.

But I did not use debootstrap this time because I really need fast my new (refurbished) PC, a DELL Xt3 with i7 4 core 8 GB 1 TB with windows 10 on sda1, 2 and 3 (keeping the half of the HD although self also empty because of "not movable stuff in the 3 or one of the 3 windows partitions and I don't know how to solve that problem in Windows 10: it is an extreme long time, that I did use the last time windows! About 20 y.! I remember it was necessary to defrag also reorg the partitions, but I did not find the probably existent way in windows 10...). I have actually no time to spend for those details as the logical partition sda4 is free for about 1/2 TB memory space, and I have no time to really test the debootstrap way (I will do it later: my purpose is to build with the Refracta tools an ISO like Puppy linux iso's).

QUESTION 1: how to shrink the 3 Windows partitions more?

Today I also did use the offered installer from the recent gnuinos for AMD64.

It seems to work very fast (not as the common old Debian installer)! I am very happy!

After first login, I did apt update and search for browsers as I absolutely not like Firefox (in my eyes, it search to force the same MONOPOLISH position as Microsoft in the past and did eliminate all other Linux browsers... The browser terror pure in Linux itself, or more: Microsoft did never enter in Linux with it's browsers... Firefox is at all places: Windows, Mac, Linux, Android! You can not avoid it and protect you against it!).

I did find alice, and did install it. It is installed but don't react at all.

Hm, what can I do to avoid that ugly Firefox (or Iceweasel, it is the same...)?

Konqueror!

Seems to work pretty as the legendary Konqueror! Bravo.

I did apt purge iceweasel.

Trying to refer to mousepad (I am often using), I did discover that the authors of gnuinos also did not stay loyal to the real xfce4 definition. no mousepad but the ugly geany (why ugly? because it don't likes to open an separate windows for each job! I don't like that. It is a typical «Puppy linux tool»: as Puppy linux did born, real linuxers did use very great editor going as far as artificial intelligence (integrated in expert systems like swi-prolog). and EACH good linux desktop offers a good own editor, KDE, Gnome, and XFCE4 itself. Why change it? Hm. Xfce4 also? Yes but it can be tricky to solve properly with it the spell checking. And spell checking is important for me: I did never learn English and I am French. A lot of words are the same ... excepted the spelling (not only  "daedalus"!). Gedit connect immediately with hunspell... So I prefer for this reason gedit.

Hm so began I to change the choice of applications.

I prefer nemo against thunar. I is about the same but nemo can more. And, using Konqueror, it is so or so luxe: Konqueror itself is a very good file manager! So I did erase thunar after installing nemo.

Since this time, apt auto-remove will erase a part of the xfce4. What an intolerance! Linux becomes really more terrible concerning tolerance as Microsoft!   I will preserve those files, there are:

libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
libgtop-2.0-11
libgtop2-common
libkeybinder-3.0-0
libxfce4ui-utils
xfce4-appfinder
xfce4-panel
xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin

but I don't know how to do that as such operation is not frequent!

QUESTION 2: how to do that (protect above files using apt or apt-get)?

View on my actual installation:

sudo apt install alice refractainstaller-base refractainstaller-gui refractasnapshot-base refractasnapshot-gui mgp abiword gedit gnumeric gv xsane tesseract-ocr gimagereader mtpaint mhwaveedit cups marble-qt nted rosegarden gforth gprolog jwm deborphan nemo konqueror pageedit

The correspondent snapshot has the size 1,3 GB.

I will add some application(s) to extract parts of videos for my sport videos: only small parts of videos are interesting to revisit again.

QUESTION 3: What is the smallest and easiest application to crop videos MP4.

QUESTION 4: idem for sound files MP3?

And, last question:

QUESTION 5: how to add i386 compatibility in gnuinos?