Hi, This project also continue to present difficulties as I will use it always in 2 different usages:

- snapshot starting without some precedent data
- normal starting from full installation (with precedent data)

Why?

The great advantage of the Refracta-Tools is that! For the everyday use, snapshot starting is enough and give no possibility to other to follow your activities: they can place cookies but after shutting down, no cookie resist any more!

Where is the problem now?

My installation from Crowz is really old. She were upgraded 3 time to Chimerae, to Daedalus and now to Ceres. I did not change the initial script. But now, I have to see that the installation from sudoers is not any more in Ceres as she was and this has consequences!

Without the help of Refracta specialists, I am afraid that more people will have difficulties with the (for me) new sudo!

We need a clear recommendation (with examples, not with an immersion in the hard man pages in English from the new packages from Debian) what is to do in case that ugly new comportment of Linux appears and blocks the Refracta tools.

one tip tu use SLIM:

slim is the mini sessions manager of Linux. and it works fine. but the formalism of slim can irritate a lot of people. to live a slim session, you have to real choices:

- reboot, and
- halt!

to reboot, enter "reboot" as login, and continue with NEW LINE and your password (" ." in my own version!)

to halt =

shutdown -h now

enter halt with NEW LINE and your password (" ." in my own version!).

It is all and it' s working well!

Next note:

The installation I am recommand is, of cours, a very, very compact installation and covers the most needs of users!

It is not mine: I did find it in Devuan-Star or Devuan-Crowz, and you can find a lot of other sources in the web for such compact installations (or more compact as Puppy Linux or Linux-Slax! A real installation of Linux with the real KDE4 was possible in the past with an ISO of 100 MB at Slax!). I continue to use sometimes to use sometimes from the Puppy Linux movement the Version "April64", compatible with a lot of actual software, esp. with actual browsers.

Of course are such low level installation not having the maximal power of the divers applications they propose:

An example, the wonderful application Marble-Qt (analogue with

If you install with my long line describe above, the installation will occupy ab. 380 MB (depending of diverses parameters). You will start Marble probably without problem. All is right!

I you make back the installations restrictions contained in the file /etc/apt.conf just at the time you will install marble-qt

(for ex.

sudo mv /etc/apt/apt.con /etc/apt/apt.conf~

)

the installation will need ab. 100 MB more room on the hard disk or expand in the RAM (and ab. 1/3 in the other snapshot.iso)!

But the new function " routing from A to B " for ex. will be present!

This function is NOT essential for Marble-QT. Only for different users, I am one for example.

And this is the same for divers applications having a lot of recommanded extensions.

To inspect this, start you little an shirt " Just:Ceres" and,
before you load the rest through the internet,
inspect the output of "apt", for ex. for marble-qt,

sudo apt install marble-qt

.

You can save the output to look it later if you want:

sudo apt install marble-qt > apt-output4marble-qtwithout

or you can do it twice: one time WITH the exclusions, one other timw without ;-) .

You learn so a lot about the modular function of Linux

(some applications are included in a "box", espec. browsers, suites for internet, office, multimedia etc.
They includes immediately ALL recommanded extensions, and you see nothing more ;-) . Hm, really?
No, not really: They are (often) gigantic compared with the other build modular in authentic Linux style.

main line of my applications selection above:

the need of a family with children

- making music (writing music sheets, processing music files etc.), searching bicycle routes, contributing to cartography cycle etc ways, learning such pretty stuff like logo (the fundamental book's from Brian Harvey are gratis online to download!) or prolog or forth

with a father

- working to better the family home designing new situation with CAD, planing trips for all the family with, no, no, not Google, with marble! Etc.

Don't forget: Basic Linux, the komplete graphic Linux on 2 simple Floppy discs each only 1,5 MB, did offer

- a presentation tool (magicpoint, mgp)
- a freehand drawing tool
- a scientific caltulator

(where is the scientific calculator in Just:Ceres? Hm, search a bit pls! I help you:

menu > Debian Menu >> Applications >>> Science >>>> Mathematics >>>>> Xcalc

(crowz and slitaz are the unique distributions I know having erased or not accept in xorg package to let it stay forgotten and un used!)

If you perhaps have improvement for that design, please inform me, inform us!

Good luck and enjoy!

to make the system attractive an smart, you need only a few changes in the settings of JWM,

JWM can handle itself, without each big extension, usual great performances for window manager, esp. background pictures. In each JWM window a different if you want (see the JWM documentation). You have 2 backgrouhd pictures in your system: one in the grub setting, and one in the SLIM settings. If find it is a fresh picture and did change this line in /etc/jwm/system.jwmrc. After that, your system opens with that fun picture:

        <Background type="image">/usr/share/slim/themes/default/background.jpg</Background>

To make your new system looking smart, you have to add some links, for example:

sudo ln -s /usr/bin/l3afpad /usr/bin/ed

(for "ed"itor)

or

sudo ln -s /usr/bin/pcmanfm /usr/bin/fm

(for ¨f"ile"m"amager)

and you have to add some stuff like

- more TrueType fonts (esp. for Chinese, Hindi=Devanagari, Japanese, Korean, Tamil)
  (Arabic and Urdu? Excuse me, I am not expert of those languages exp. because the writing from right to left; idem Hebraic)

- hunspell stuff (and tesseract-ocr stuff if you decide to use it instead of gocr! I use tesseract-ocr for myself but did install gocr as it is the Linux gnu standard!)

- you also need a link in /opt/seamonkey after erasing the created ../dictionaries directory:

sudo cd /opt/seamonkey/dictionaries
sudo rm *
cd ..
sudo rmdir dictionaries
sudo ln -s /usr/hunspell dictionaries

Seamonkey? How to become it?

Seamonkey is the best example for the completely fool action in the Linux world.

Seamonkey is a suite corresponding exactly and following also exactly to the real old Mozilla suite!

And some one try to kill it since he did appear: the Firefox movement with commercial character!

And Ubuntu help to destroy it completely:

Although Ubuntu did have all the last time a depository for Mozilla's they don't permit us to use the depository procedure

sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com C1289A29

to get the key and permit us the use of that little depository at sourceforge.net to install and actualize from

deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main

.

It is also not enough to add that last line into your /etc/apt/sources.list !

That key system from, I suppose, gnu, is the most pervers attack against freedom (exact as the NEW grub!)!

In my opinion, high instances of the world economy have taken now the commands of Linux in their hands!

You can also NOT install Seamonkey with above line where all app's I install are named in alphabetic list because you can't not activate that ubuntu depository! And, of cours, you can not update in one rush...

But you can download the semaonkey.deb from that depository using this link (for the 64 bit version):

https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.53.17-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb/download

IMPORTANT NOTE: making the same development earlier with Star Linux / Crowz Linux, I did create an analog version where that ubuntu depository and key did be accept! For that, I did have to install gnupg, gnupg1 and gnupg2. The process did break but at least, the depository did be accept!!! And continue to work: the update to rel. ... .17 from Seamonkey did happen without difficulty as I recently did update Crowz 64!

You can also create your own Just:Ceres yourself

(do it now, it is JUST the right time now as a new stable appear and that old "testing" become separate from ceres+the new testing Escalibur!)

- dowhload the little netinstall iso, the new actual one for Daedalus, from main site archives from Devuan
- install it in a new partition (6..10 GB are enough for a JustX installation as I propose, but you need that at least!)
- at installation time comes the moment where dselect proposes choices - unmark all excepted the last and continue
- select easy passwords and new user name (I did take ".", ".", and "f". You can change then later!)
- a few time later, your installation is ready and you can reboot into that new Just:Ceres, your own!
- update and actualize
- with nano or vim change "daedalus" in /etc/apt/sources.list into "ceres"
- if you want a really short installation, think about to add a /etc/apt/apt.conf (see at the end of this message)
- update and actualize once more
you have now a fresh and empty ceres system (or eskalibut if you did make that choice)!
- make

apt install gpm refractasnapshot-base refractainstaller-base

- make the first

and get your first ceres iso!
- add a few more:

su -

apt install gpm refractasnapshot-base refractainstaller-base xorg

(and what you want, but realize: you are in Ceres. In the future, to much can be the source of new difficulties to actualize and block your installation. Ceres can be a rolling installation for you, if you are prudent and use well the snapshots! the next new iso is not the goal but only your tool to actualize your Just:Ceres!)

xinit

- (quit immediately with

to come back in console mode. To quit, the cursor habe to be at the right position!)

apt install gpm refractasnapshot-base refractainstaller-base xorg menu jwm mtpaint xcfe4-appfinder

startx

- quit again with exit

If all did go good, finish the adding of packages with this last package:

apt install gpm refractasnapshot-base refractainstaller-base xorg menu jwm mtpaint slim

(after reboot, your installation will start directly in graphic mode).

You can finish that first job including

- "j" at /etc/sudoers
- xfce4-appfinder at /etc/jwm/system-jwmrc in the menu
- xfce4-appfinder at /etc/jwm/system-jwmrc in the tray
- a background picture at /etc/jwm/system-jwmrc

If all that is now fine, you can make now make you 3thd snapshot, the real Just:Ceres snapshot you will use as base to actualize.

You actualize only that minimal version and grow it use a long commando line like

apt install gpm refractasnapshot-base refractainstaller-base xorg menu jwm mtpaint slim etc1 etc2 etc3 etc... etc-last

~~~~~~
Text for apt.conf:

APT::Install-Recommends "false";
APT::Install-Suggests "false";
APT::Get::Fix-Missing "true";
Acquire::Languages "none";
Acquire::Check-Valid-Until "false";

over that, that installation with XFCE4 / other desktops includes more controls and limits the freedom of users to install different packages.

it is not a question of level: the same things installed in correspondent «Devuan Puppy's» have success.

why not a Deadalus or better Ceres just-CLI installation?

Hi Camtaf

It is simply the best distro I know!

All our world live TO MUCH OVER the reason: all always bigger, greater, faster etc. Crowz show us how to do different, how to respect ressources.
Different from Ubuntu, the friend of the world, the modest Crowz continue to offer with Devuan stuff for the future with the 64 bit division but continue to provide stuff in 32 bit for the billion of those computer existing in the world and being today the only one base poor people of the world can use especially to educate their children using them for school word!

On my DELL laptop, Crowz start like a jet. I can open app's 14 seconds after the initial boot hit! No other distro does that! And in a time where the silly dilly US president Biden did create a energy problem, that is very important! In the past, we did have linux'es like Puppy (came from Australia, the antipode!), we did shutdown the PC one time only the week! Today, we do that 30 times the day because the generated war and energy crisis from the freedom enemy's from America!

14 second is an ideal time for me (the actual Devuan Puppy needs very much than ONE complete minute also because idiotic questions in little start (or weellcome windows! weelcome is it not: it says «you idiots..»!)

as we have an intense life, we open and shutdown the PC all the time like other their smart phone...

oh! good! buy a smartphone, that is the solution! Linux can after that need 5 or 10 minutes to start!

no, smartphone with power is very, very expensive, I am sorry (this is the reason why Apple, Google etc. are so rich)!

my problem is actually, as the Debian world is not only the world of Debian only any more, Debian was very proud and satisfied as Ubuntu did begin to build is secondary impire on Debian stuff and Debian packaging system (and not RedHat or, at this time was Arch not in the actual position, Arch, or Slackware, S|lazkware was at this time in a comparable position like Arch today)!

This did create a dependency from the future actions from Ubuntu and you know that.

The bad new I did bring here yesterday is, that the Debian branch of the actual Debian world will ignore the new trends marked by Ubuntu and follower even where these two do it for the work of pawnboo with brave developers like those of Midori Browser (Google trad from #même là où ces deux la font du travail de pionier avec de courageux dévelopeurs comme ceux de Midori browser#).

I MYSELF did not create the problem or incident: it is in Linux itself very deep:

The cause is that Linux did clon Unix and win for all the freedom to make each Linux better in itself and that tyranic committees (for ex. at Debian and at Arch, and, I hoppe, not at Devuan, but who is knowing really that...) don't agree any more to support the consequences. Actually, Linux shrinks! Only ONE unique really supported browser. In KDE itself since years no other browser is default installation, in the linux version with the old embedded Konqueror! What kind of conquete it is really... All tentatives to restart own KDE browsers, they were legion'S ... nothing more. KDE did make dead by Linux itself and one of the major rease was

firefox ;-) !

You install KDE and get firefox, one libre/free/open office, but not one KDE office. You get some non KDE video and can be happy if the editor is yet Kate in the praxis!

And the major reason is

firefox

because each "hit" in a browser can bring money!