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#1276 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-03-02 17:25:38

LU344928 wrote:

Pali was the language of the Vinaya, if I'm not mistaken

The entire Pali Canon (Tipitka) was recorded in Pali but not until about 500 years after the the Buddha's paranibbana. Before then it was passed down via oral tradition.

LU344928 wrote:

. . . and many of the 600 odd rules in there came about as a result of sexual transgressions committed by the Buddha's disciples.

Indeed.  The task is daunting and monks are equally flawed as all humans are.

Thankfully, the monks who dropped into my life . . . I did not seek them . . . they found me . . . were of impeccable character. But that is a whole other story. This path wasn't exactly on my bucket list . . .

#1277 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-03-01 19:01:23

Here's another view of the mind.  One that is over 2500 years old. This is not a "reading" book. It is more of a reference/guide book to understanding experience:
Abhidhammattha Sangaha

Even as skillfully and well documented as these revisions are, it is inevitable that the content will be misunderstood by readers with no knowledge of Pali language or significant internal exploration of the  processes described, so tread lightly and don't embarrass yourself.  smile

FWIW . . . those involved in the revisions of the translation, which were made 30 years ago, were known to me as teachers, mentors and colleagues.  I was asked to review the changes and was surprised and honored to receive a mention of my efforts in the preface.

#1278 Re: Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-03-01 16:15:54

amaro wrote:

@golinux
You can check the formatting and let me know if there is a difference compared to previous one.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=34963#p34963

Yes, better.  Could you please edit the other one also? I don't like to mess with content of users' posts.

As to the psychobabble . . . sooooo many words to state the obvious.  Not impressed . . .

As long a greed hatred and delusion exist in the mind, bias whether conscious or not, is inevitable. Duh . . .

#1279 Re: Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-02-28 20:06:03

Yes, incoming data is just a springboard to dreams and that is where the real challenge lies. Some experiences are pleasant, greed/attachment arise and the mind seeks more. Some are painful, aversion arises and the mind recoils. Other incoming objects are so uninteresting we fall asleep or frantically seek pleasure to keep the dream alive. Better to just observe the whole contaminated process with detachment.

And an observation . . . the formatting of the text in the original Ruiz quote is producing line breaks.  Would be easier to read if the text could just flow.  However, it does give me an opportunity to note annoyance, so thank you for that . . .  big_smile

#1280 Re: Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-02-28 04:17:31

@amaro . . . What exactly does "state of consciousness" mean to you?

In just a few crude words . . . I understand consciousness to be the receptor of all incoming data whether physical through the 5 physical sense doors or mental.  What we do with that information after contact is where humans get into trouble and start dreaming.  Noting what floats by without following it down a rabbit hole lessens the hold that dreaming has on the mind and brings it closer to NOW which is gone in a nano second (poetic not an actual measurement).

#1281 Re: Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-02-27 00:44:01

Did a 5 minute jump through from beginning to end. Stunning visuals wasted on such silliness, self-indulgence, and fantasy.  Nothing of liberative value there.  Just a celebration of excesses and stereotypes that perpetuate the dream.

#1282 Re: Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-02-26 22:03:18

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Just ordered the latest version of Motorcycle Roadcraft: The Police Rider's Handbook. I got knocked off by a van on Friday and separated my acromioclavicular joint so it looks like I could do with a refresher. My first crash in over 10 years. Dammit.

Oh NOOOooooo!

/me sends HoaS another virtual hug

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

At the moment of impact I really wanted to fall back into the dream but riding is great because it forces you to live in the moment, or at least as close to the moment as our sensorium will allow.

Any form of intense concentration touches NOW.  But that alone does not dispel the dream because the dream will return as soon as that concentration is broken.

#1283 Re: Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-02-26 21:52:30

andyprough wrote:

The desire to live past one short lifetime is intense, but the price paid is incalculable. The dangerous river of eternity.

Well said, Andy. Those who are suffering hope for a better life. Even those who have a wonderful life want more.  The thirst is insatiable and fuels the cycle.

The error humans make is to assume a transition to the same time, place and species.  Destinations are infinite which makes the prospect even more terrifying.

Unless the mind is very disciplined, it is a roll of the dice.  That is what stopping the dream and practicing to be  here and now is about. Over time the dream fades and there is just now.

I'll have a look at the movie later.

#1284 Off-topic » The Dream » 2022-02-26 19:52:34

golinux
Replies: 11
amaro wrote:

The Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ruiz

"You are dreaming right now in this moment. You are dreaming
              with the brain awake."

              [cut]

Yes.

Our delusion builds mental constructs and they are passed down from generation to generation.

This is samsara.  A prison of our own making. Endless dream after dream.

It is possible to stop dreaming but it is a daunting task and very few manage to escape from the endless cycles of birth and death.

There is no other time but NOW!

Fall into it and let the bottom fall out of the dream !!

#1285 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-24 16:14:39

Kelsoo wrote:

The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_o … Capitalism

Yeah, that is a good one.  Zuboff nails it!

#1286 Re: Devuan » Meet the Daedalus sapphire theme » 2022-02-24 02:04:00

sapphire reversed
Decided to reverse the polarity and tweak the colors a bit.  Whaddya think?  Are we there yet?

#1287 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-24 00:23:01

Sri Lanka also has a history of colonial abuse.  First there were the Portuguese then the Dutch and finally the British Empire. It went on for centuries . . . Of course they did everything they could to impose their religious beliefs on the "natives" as Western European colonists did all over the world.  Disgusting . . .

#1288 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-23 19:28:13

Can we please let that be the final word and move on.  smile  Thanks.

#1289 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 23:01:56

@MiyoLinux . . . It's easy to step into a pile of poo when assumptions are made. Those assumptions most always say more about the assumer than the receiver.  You are certainly "special" in my Rolodex for whatever that's worth  . . .  smile

#1290 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 22:53:05

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
golinux wrote:

Having a bad day HoaS?

Yeah. My bike wouldn't start this morning and it took eleven hours to get to the garage.

Soooo sorry to hear that. Machines . . . grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr . . .

/me sends another hug plus a cup of green tea . . .

#1291 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-22 20:11:25

Free speech is a tricky thing but is speech "free" when it is only allowed for some but not for others? Book burning is also problematic.  Which books get burned and who makes those decisions? The gamut of human opinion is infinite and it is driven either by   generosity or greed, kindness or hate and truth or delusion.  How does hating those who hate solve anything?  It just fuels the flames.  The Devuan community is better than this . . .

#1292 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 15:44:07

blackhole wrote:

But any covid thread quickly deteriorates into social media style puerile squabbles, both sides waving supposed "facts" around, neither side actually having a clue.  Not worth all the trouble.

Lighten up . . . just old friends catching up and having some fun . . .

#1293 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 15:41:28

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

@Miyo: sorry but I'm not in the mood. You can stop baiting now.

Having a bad day HoaS?

/me sends another hug . . .

#1294 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 15:39:56

MiyoLinux wrote:

By the way, the vaccines don't protect one from contracting the virus; they will only supposedly help lessen the effects of the virus once contracted.

Exaaaactly . . . and it turns them into walking Petri dishes . . .

My best to you golinux! smile

Back attacha!

#1295 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 15:35:17

Kelsoo wrote:
golinux wrote:

Hey Kelsoo . . . it's been a while,  Nice to see you. smile ...............
Wishing you good health !

Thanks. I visit here most days.

smile

The biggest disease on the planet is not covid. It's centralised social media, it's data collection and it's use . . .

Actually the disease of human hubris and stupidity is the cause of both those problems.

I recall going on anti GMO demos  20 years a go, ripping up plants from the test fields . . .

Good for you! I never went the route of direct action but instead, that of words.  My site which collected documentation and news stories was #1 in google rankings for almost 10 years. Scotland is holding the GMO line but the rest of UK not so much. The administrative battle with word-twisting continues at the regulatory level.  In that game, the bad guys always get their way  eventually and I no longer have the stomach for it.

We used to buy organic dried goods in bulk.  25KG bags. But since my illness we've had to reduced the volume.

I still buy bulk but also may have to readjust because I just can't eat that much at my ago.

I tend to use potatoes as my main form of carbohydrate. We have one of the best sources of seed potatoes in all of Scotland just down the road and usually grow enough to not have to buy any all year. Pink fir apple is a gem of a potato.

Yeah . . . I do a lot of potatoes too but almost impossible to find decent ones here. Lucky you to have Pink Fir Apple! /me high-fives the Scots!

#1296 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 05:22:07

zapper wrote:

[edited]

But until there is an organic way to block covid-19 . . .

Dream on . . . the next oopsie will likely be worse because humans never learn.

Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.

Yes, many have no choice.

Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.

So... its extremely difficult.

Yes, this is true for 99.9% of the population. But if I am not mingling in society (for which I have little use), the risk of getting COVID is extremely low.

Take a deep breath . . . Let's stop the COVID nonsense here.  Please . . .

#1297 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 04:17:30

Do you really want to go there?

MiyoLinux wrote:

Seriously?

Yes

1. Why do you wear a mask?

Just because it's the latest fashion statement . . .

2. What type of mask do you wear?

KN95

3. Have you been vaccinated?

No, no and never

4. If so, why?

I've spent the last 25 years vocally opposing genetic modification in any form. It would be unthinkable. Why would I jeopardize my good health?   This isn't much incentive . . .

5. If you have been vaccinated (I have by the way), do you understand what the vaccine covers?

I know that Moderna's and Pfizer's asses have been covered by immunity for damages from their little experiment.

6. What type of mask are you wearing?

Short term memory problems?  big_smile

#1298 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-21 21:08:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Right back at you golinux. Perhaps with some social distancing though tongue

Of course.  I'm still masking up when I venture into the world . . . which isn't often . . . .

#1299 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-21 20:21:27

Ah, so the data source is WHO Child Growth Standards.  And just who has their fingers in the WHO pie?  Bill Gates among others all who have agendas.  Every human endeavor has bias.  It is inevitable and as varied as there are organizations and individuals.

You are fun to play with HoaS!  big_smile

/me sends a hug to HoaS

#1300 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-21 19:29:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
golinux wrote:

There is no "data" that does not have confirmation bias because humans collect and interpret it.

For the first paper to which I linked the data in question was the children's height, weight and arm circumference. Any claims of misinterpretation in respect of such data are clearly ridiculous.

Perhaps actually read the paper and offer substantive criticisms of the methods instead?

HoaS . . . I have been mulling this over and then the lights went on . . .

WRT children's height, weight and arm circumference . . . The baseline assumptions made in any study guarantee bias in the results.  Where did the data of "normal" height, weight and arm circumference etc. come from?  From kids who were fed the SAD diet which leads to obesity, diabetes etc?  Or data from a culture that eats in a different way like Asian countries?

And no I haven't read the paper . . .  big_smile

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