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Oh well if you use Gnome or even just gnome-disks then I'm not surprised that removing gvfs gives you problems, my experience without gvfs is purely with a clean XFCE, no gnome desktop stuff installed (other than polkit-gnome and gnome-keyring-daemon which AFAIR were installed by default with XFCE).
You can replace polkit-gnome with mate-polkit or LXpolkit, you just need an authentication agent, any one will do.
The gnome keyring app is flawed and buggy, I got rid of that quite a while ago. Just store passwords in a local encrypted file, I made my own app for that.
oh government officials and billionares care for children, but only for the children they can use to satisfy their depravity, after all government and tech are ruled by the epstein class.
Too true. The idea that Cali politicians and the wealthy that own them actually care about children would be laughable if it weren't so horrible and evil.
Zero chance i'll comply with their absurd demands, and any crap that comes from upstream with unwanted big brother garbage in it will get chopped on and re-written before it gets installed on one of my machines.
Okay so I just tried out the newer xlibre repo and re-made the system on a standard Devuan mini as before. A few issues:
1. Now the video artifacts are back whereas they were gone from yesterday's iso using the old repo. Not many programs on the mini to test it, but the Mate system monitor shows it clearly, lines appear randomly while changing tabs in it.
2. I still don't know why backports was mandatory, making the swap pulled NOTHING from it.
3. The amdgpu package would not install, it's listed in Synaptic with all the details now, but when you try to mark it for install a message pops up that while the listing is there, there's no actual package attached to it.
I do run AMD hardware, so I wonder if the above amdgpu package might fix the blinkies.
EDIT: Okay so it wants backports for 3 mesa packages:
1. mesa dev package, why it needs this I don't know, but it pulls in a metric-ton of other dev packages.
2. mesa vulkan, this one seemed okay to use the backports version.
3. mesa-libgallium, this is a complete dealbreaker, attempting to use the backports version made it want to uninstall the entirety of the Mate desktop, most of it's programs, and indeed also the entirety of xlibre and xorg packages remaining on the system. It literally breaks everything. Not even sure why this would be in backports, it seems destructive to excalibur.
@callmetango ;
The xlibre install does not pull all the xorg packages and replace them, there's a bunch of xlibre drivers that don't replace their xorg counterparts, should I do so manually? And there's some xorg drivers that don't have xlibre counterparts, can xlibre still use those xorg components? Like there's some older xorg drivers for ATI cards, mach64 and such, that I had to use recently for a 2009 machine to work properly, can those stay and will they work? That's what i'm trying to figure out now.
This hasn't been a focus of my studies so i'm reading a lot of docs today about the subject.
There's also a couple of packages listed but blank in description and not installable, like placeholders looks like.
Thank you @viptux for clarification, okay then, we'll go from there and see what's what.
Interesting...I did NOT have to enable backports the way I did it, I used fsmithred's link which is the same process I used back in September.
https://xlibre-deb.github.io/devuan/
@rations, yes, but it will be a while.
So some clarification is needed I think, Xlibre seems to be working fine from the older repo, what about this new repo requires backports to work?
3-18-2026 Updated version of the Xlibre Devuan-mate-mini-6 (excalibur).
Just uploaded an updated copy of this iso, as before it's identical to the standard version
with the exception of the use of Xlibre for display. This is new software and not official
Devuan packages (for now). And again this whole iso is not official Devuan. That being
said it's working nicely, the video artifacts from the last version months ago seem to be
all gone and I think it's using a little less ram too.
Thank you Ron! I managed to also knock out an identical iso but with the substitution of Xlibre for the xserver, testing it today and will post up later. Preliminary results look good, the artifacts I was experiencing months ago with it are gone and everything is very smooth so far. Using a tiny bit less ram too.
New iso up, just a maintenance update as Debian did a point release a couple days ago, so over 60 updates including a new kernel.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … te-mini-6/
EDIT1: Nope, error in sources.list dangit, got to run another one.
EDIT2: Okay, all good now, new iso up and looking slick! Turned out to be over 70 updates.
3-16-2026 New isos uploaded for both max and mini.
Maintenance updates for both max and mini, 90+ packages for the max and 50+ for the mini, including the latest kernel that came out a couple of days ago. A couple of tweaks and one minor bug-fix but that's it, it's looking good, I just hate to have install media out there that's old and needs lots of updates post-install, and it's been almost 3 months since the last iso. Seems like a good schedule for future updates so i'll stick to that unless I do some big changes.
I just happened to be on Miyo's Sourceforge page and there was some activity today. He uploaded a version for a friend, he said. (It's bios only, no UEFI; there's also some other qualifiers.) It's good to see some activity from him.
Cool, thanks for posting that, just logged on my SF and saw there was activity! Downloading now, I don't care what it is, i'm checking it out, Miyo is the most brilliant and prolific re-spinner i've ever seen in my own 17 year history of re-spinning. ![]()
We are making progress....
You're doing some interesting work over there for sure, kudos and thank you! Count me amongst those who wouldn't mind trying out an Openbox version. ![]()
Article about this subject out of Norway via the Register, the real gold is the video about halfway down the page, it's a must-watch IMO. ![]()
You are most welcome sir! But I must beg your pardon, I had completely forgotten my manners so let me rectify:
A very warm welcome to you, to the worldwide community that is Linux! And most especially to Devuan which for 10 years running has been the best of Linux'es in my humble opinion.
And kudos for a very innovative way to use AI to ease the transition too, nice work all around!
I discovered the intel-microcode was being blacklisted by default. Removing the intel-microcode-blacklist.conf was essential for CPU stability
Pretty sure that's not how that works, I believe it's there to stop the microcode from trying to update itself on every boot. But I could be wrong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comment … acklisted/
https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/li … config#L42
This is with the blacklist.conf file still in place:
root@devuan:/home/jack# dmesg | grep "microcode updated early to"
[ 3.943872] microcode: microcode updated early to new patch_level=0x05000119You can see it's been applied in early stage boot despite the blacklist file.
Don't believe everything AI tells you. ![]()
Can anyone confirm?
Essentially it's baked into initramfs alongside the other firmware, when you install new firmware the system runs update-initramfs and gens a new initrd.img, so the code is there and gets applied early in boot. The blacklist just stops subsequent attempts to update.
At least that's my understanding of it.
The VuuPass basic password manager is now up on my Sourceforge, I decided to just make a compressed file and put it there for easy access rather than posting a lot of code to forums or replying to the e-mails i've gotten about it, I have not made a .deb package yet, this is just for preliminary testing and includes the binaries and source for both the standard and portable versions, and a readme.txt (also displayed on the download page) with instructions for use and also for compiling your own custom version.
Note that I included a .desktop for the standard version in case you want to do a full manual install, but there's not one for the portable version, it doesn't need one, just drop the binary on a USB stick and click it to run, it will do the rest.
It probably goes without saying but you need gtk3 and libsodium onboard to run it.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … s/VuuPass/
Remember, this is first test of experimental software, test only with dummy data for now until more test results come in.
I have run Vuu-do on a machine from 2005 that has 1 gb of ram, and it runs fine. I run Devuan every day on a machine with a simple dual-core APU at 800 mhz with 4 gigs of ram and never have a problem.
But if you need translations you would need to look elsewhere as Vuu-do don't do that. Vanilla Devuan works great for that.
Sweet! I do prefer Hexchat for IRC, was sad to hear it's no longer in the repo.
Thank you all for the kind words, but I need to apologize for my mini-meltdown that day, it's no excuse, but in my defense I will say that I have a very sick cat, and can't seem to to get a vet appointment at the place that's 30 miles from here, we talked to them on the phone and they kinda poo-poo'ed it saying she just has allergies, trying now to get an appt. at a more sophisticated vet but that's 100 miles away with a 30 day waiting list. And to boot that morning right before I woke up I had a dream where she died in my arms. That pretty much FUBAR'ed my whole day, and I should have known better than to get online, but I did and it did not turn out well. Mea culpa, sorry for the drama.
Almost there, did some good work in the last few days:
EDIT: Even better, done a lot of nice work in the last few days, getting close.

If you want to poke fun at other developers and brag about how much smaller your stuff is, at least try not to be gratuitously disingenuous.
I wasn't poking fun at anyone, but yes I was bragging about my little scriptlet, and incredibly enough I am aware of dependencies (shocker huh?), which is why I know the program mentioned ALSO HAS DEPENDS, so yeah it's even larger than 29 mb which is what the package is listed at for installed size.
But sure, if you pull the cruft you mentioned out (which my app doesn't have or need), then maybe there is 4 mb of actual code. That's still 100 times larger than my little experiment. I'm sure it has some extra lovely features though that might be very handy.
What I made does the basic main task such things should do, it's tiny so there's a lot less to go wrong and it's easy to audit, and a good solid base if someone wanted to expand on it.
And damn, really toolkit bullshit?? Every gui program uses one toolkit or another, so that comment was nonsense. And no i'm not shoving all that QT crap into my system, GTK has issues but QT sucks too.
And wtf? You're on here usually giving people shit for complaining instead of doing something about it. And here I am trying to do something about it and you're giving me misery too?
Hell, you're probably right, I don't know why I bother. Maybe time for another break from linux for me.
ffp asked about keepassxc-minimal.
Quote:
“This package includes only the bare minimal functionality, and no security complications like networking, SSH agent, browser plugin, fdo secret storage. See keepassxc-full if you absolutely need those.”
Lol, in 29 mb, I just made something that does most of the same in 40 kb.
Very nice! Love the low ram usage, but are you measuring that the old-school way or the legacy way (excluding buffers and cache)?
Page 2 reminder that I did NOT start this thread, that was somebody else who moved a comment I made, I had zero intentions of starting a thread about installers. So my position simple boils down to this:
1. Don't like the debian installer at all
2. Sick of hearing people bash RefractaInstaller, it's simply the best and fastest way to do an install.
I'm shocked about how much people care about the installer, as long as it works you should just get on with using your system. Unless of course you're an admin, have to manage many machines, or just like doing installs all the time.
That's just it, I do installs constantly, I have to do so for testing purposes on the iso's I make. It's no exaggeration to say i've done easily 300 or better in the last year, so perhaps that will give some context to my position. Think about the time needed to do a debian install vs. the 10 minutes it takes with RI, then times that by 300 and that's how many extra hours of my life i've saved by using it.
Time is precious. I only have so much to spare.
ah, i was kinda expecting ya to build a gui wrapper for pass(1)
A reasonable assumption, my MO is exactly that kind of thing. But in doing research for this, it seemed like libsodium was the "gold standard" for this sort of thing, and their docs are actually not bad, relevant portion:
https://doc.libsodium.org/doc/quickstart
"One-shot encryption where everything fits in memory
Create a secret key using crypto_secretbox_keygen().
Create a nonce using randombytes_buf(nonce, sizeof nonce).
Use crypto_secretbox_easy() to encrypt the message and send/store the resulting ciphertext along with the nonce. Unlike the key, the nonce doesn't have to be secret.
Use crypto_secretbox_open_easy() to decrypt the ciphertext using the same key and nonce."
So I thought hell I can muddle through that, and it would be a real step above base64, lol.