When I tried Buster I found that removing Systemd ripped just about everything away compared with Jessie where systemd is quite easy to remove. So sorry to say Debian is determined with each new release version to integrate systemd reliance further and further into the system.  So yes gaining leverage is important as is Devuan as a distro forked from Debian standing against this attack init freedom.  In fact I would go further and say that Devuan needs to deviate further away from Debian rather like Ubuntu did to maintain its independence.

It might be harder for a bit, but it also might be the impetus to fork various projects that just blithely and voluntarily enslave themselves to really bad coDe, have already been thinking about that....and starting to pick through some to find ones I can re-write myself.

Great idea where possible Devuan independent programs as alternatives to the infected ones.

Will also test have 32 bit machines.

I know from personal experience that when I was using Sid that there was problems with xorg with mouse freezing and the answer was to install xorg-xserver-legacy.

Woops package not in Jessie.  Dist-upgraded today in Jessie no problems.

Hi Miyo,

Is it worth holding eg.  apt-mark hold obmenu-generator package to stop the menu being stuffed up when upgrading???

I have set up a laptop with Refracta pre-alpa ascii.  Seems very stable.

Using it on a Thinkpad T42 - installed NON-pae kernel and also install xserver-xorg-legacy as the mouse froze.

Well I tried Debian Buster - I could remove pulseaudio but remove systemd???

Nah I was left with a non-functioning system.  The tentacles of Systemd have made their way even further into the debian ecosystem.:(

Personally think the refracta installer similar to the LinuxBBQ one is better.

+1

Hi golinux,

Thank you.  No didn't know about Kiwi developer.:)

I don't know if its appropriate to post this here but I used the installer cd instead of the live cd as I wanted to install Devuan on a non-pae machine and have a choice of desktop to use.  With debian I would have to use ethernet because wireless wouldn't be recognised.  Devuan picked up my wireless athk pcmcia wireless card and I could configure my connection and installed Devuan which I'm posting from.  My machine is a Thinkpad T42 and so far Devuan is running very nicely.  So the installer cd iso which I booted with Unetbootin was beyond my expectations installing the correct kernel for my Celeron M machine.  Basically wow thanks Devuan devs - I can tell you guys care about this distro - feels very solid.:)

I believe the answer is yes it can survive and even flourish as there is Refracta team as well to feed back to Devuan.  Basically Devuan works better on my machine than Debian so long live Devuan.:)