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#526 Re: Other Issues » Devuan’s architectural problems » 2023-11-24 12:00:25

dpkg and openrc are not packages that we fork, so any bug reports for those should go to debian.

#527 Re: Other Issues » Devuan’s architectural problems » 2023-11-23 19:51:44

I really don't know what they are talking about. It looks like openrc already provides its own start-stop-daemon.

apt-file list openrc
...
openrc: /lib/rc/sh/start-stop-daemon.sh

#528 Re: Installation » an idea how2 start the installation's ISO from Debian/Devuan from RAM? » 2023-11-23 01:06:10

Booting to RAM is a feature in live-boot, so it's only available in the live isos.
If you want to avoid sitting there and answering questions for the debian/devuan installer, you need to look at preseeding:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed

#529 Re: Other Issues » debian pure blends (astronomie, chemie, education, medicine, media) » 2023-11-21 12:42:31

Oh wow. It makes sense once I figured out that the list of metapackage names does not contain any metapackage names, and that the list of Descriptions does contain metapackage names.

#530 Re: Other Issues » debian pure blends (astronomie, chemie, education, medicine, media) » 2023-11-20 13:31:55

Do you have any idea how to get those to work in Debian? They claim to show a list of metapackages, but those don't seem to exist.

In general, if it's in debian, then it's in devuan. The exception being systemd and whatever requires it.

#531 Re: Installation » Refractainstaller - luks encryption » 2023-11-19 12:48:56

Good idea. I have a note in the config file that says to make sure all the necessary cryptsetup packages are installed, but I don't list them, and that note is out of sight. Also, cryptsetup-initramfs is a Suggests, not a Recommends, so you still wouldn't have gotten it if you had not excluded Recommends.

#532 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta ISOs » 2023-11-18 13:19:28

The package selection was decided years ago by group choice. I try to stick to it as much as possible.

For spell-check in other languages, you probably need to install some other packages. Maybe hunspell-fr or wfrench  or something else. I'm not sure.

To set the system time, run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

#533 Re: Devuan » Do not install LibreOffice in Desktop Live » 2023-11-14 00:19:43

As others suggested, start with a minimal install and add what you want. If you exclude Recommends and avoid metapackages like the task-* packages, you will have a better time removing any parts you don't want. That's how I make Refracta isos https://get.refracta.org. I'm pretty sure Exe GNU/linux is also made that way (with Trinity Desktop) and some of the other devuan re-spin distros are lighter than the full task-* experience.

$ apt show task-xfce-desktop
Package: task-xfce-desktop
Version: 3.68+devuan4u1
Priority: optional
Section: tasks
Source: tasksel
Origin: Devuan
Maintainer: Devuan Dev Team <devuan-dev@lists.dyne.org>
Installed-Size: 9,216 B
Depends: tasksel (= 3.68+devuan4u1), task-desktop, xfce4, slim | lightdm
Recommends: xfce4-goodies, xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-terminal, mousepad, default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, xsane, parole, quodlibet, atril, tango-icon-theme, network-manager-gnome | connman-gtk | cmst, synaptic, libreoffice-writer, libreoffice-calc, libreoffice-impress, libreoffice-help-en-us, mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us, hyphen-en-us, system-config-printer, orca, libreoffice-gtk3
Download-Size: 1,308 B
APT-Sources: http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages
Description: Xfce

#535 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] qcow2 virtual images for Daedalus » 2023-11-08 13:42:28

I don't think there will be any official virtual images. There are a couple you can find by searching the web, but it's not clear who made those images.

For a secure environment, you can just boot a live-iso in a virtual machine. Once you're there, you could also install it to a virtual hard disk and make your own place for testing apps.

#536 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta ISOs » 2023-11-08 11:23:04

The only keyserver I've found to work is keyserver.ubuntu.com - use that instead. I'll update that page.

gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 094c5620

If anyone runs into a message saying my key is expired, you need to refresh your keys.

gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --refresh-keys

#537 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-07 20:10:43

Where are you seeing wayland coming in? I just tried a simulated upgrade in a ceres VM that's a couple months behind, and it's not showing up. I also tried a simulated install of mate and it doesn't show up there, either. There are a few libwayland-somethings installed, but I assume they do nothing since I'm running xorg.

For GTK-3, I'm not worrying about it. I'm experimenting with lxqt in anticipation of GTK-4 and -5. (shudder)

#538 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Refracta created live system with auto mounted FAT32 partition » 2023-11-02 17:50:55

You might need to add the word 'skipconfig' to the boot command for the live system. It looks like that is an undocumented option.
See /lib/live/boot/9990-fstab.sh and 9990-cmdline-old

I'm away from home right now and can't test any of this. Please let me know what you find.

#539 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » SSH won't ask to save my password for later in terminal(XFCE) » 2023-11-02 17:42:54

Maybe installing gnome-keyring will do it.

Description: GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools)
 gnome-keyring is a daemon in the session, similar to ssh-agent,
 and other applications can use it to store passwords and other
 sensitive information.
 .
 The program can manage several keyrings, each with its own master
 password, and there is also a session keyring which is never stored to
 disk, but forgotten when the session ends.

#540 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Refracta created live system with auto mounted FAT32 partition » 2023-11-02 14:55:26

You can preserve the /etc/fstab in the source system by commenting out the line for it in /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/snapshot_exclude.list

If that doesn't work for you, there's probably a way to do it with a hook script, which I've used in the past but don't recall how to do it. See the man pages for live-boot and live-config and maybe even the debian-live manual.

#541 Re: Installation » how to change the init system ? » 2023-10-28 19:05:48

sysvinit is just a dummy transitional package. Use "sysvinit-core" instead of "sysvinit" in the above command.

#542 Re: Installation » Systemd-boot(it's actually not tied to systemd) possible in devuan? » 2023-10-26 13:25:40

Those packages will install in devuan. I tried it. I could not get the system to boot -  something about the virtual machine not supporting efi variables. Maybe someone who knows their way around gummiboot would have a better chance.

#543 Re: Installation » Multiboot help » 2023-10-22 23:19:50

In newer versions of grub, os-prober is disabled by default. Edit /etc/default/grub to enable (un-disable) os-prober. Like this:

# If your computer has multiple operating systems installed, then you
# probably want to run os-prober. However, if your computer is a host
# for guest OSes installed via LVM or raw disk devices, running
# os-prober can cause damage to those guest OSes as it mounts
# filesystems to look for things.
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false

And then run update-grub

Note: if you booted into devuan from mx's grub, you'll need to run 'grub-install' from devuan.

If you're using gpt with bios boot instead of uefi, you'll also need a special partition for that. i think it's called bios_grub in gparted and ef02 in gdisk. Needs to be 1mb and have no filesystem on it.

Time for dinner. Yell if this doesn't make sense.

#544 Re: Devuan » Installed Daedalus! » 2023-10-13 22:57:55

If dpkg gives you error messages about missing dependencies, just run apt -f install with no package listed, and it will install the deps if they are in the repo.

#545 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-13 22:54:45

Nice work, Altoid. No, there's no point in continuing. At least their last statement is more accurate than the earlier one.

#546 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-12 22:34:06

# apt install systemd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Package systemd is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  systemd-standalone-tmpfiles systemd-standalone-sysusers systemd-oomd systemd-boot-efi systemd-boot
  ifupdown

E: Package 'systemd' has no installation candidate

None of the available packages listed contains an init system.
Their descriptions are below. Note the part that says for use in non-systemd systems

Description: standalone tmpfiles binary for use in non-systemd systems
Description: standalone sysusers binary for use in non-systemd systems
Description: userspace out-of-memory (OOM) killer
Description: simple UEFI boot manager - EFI binaries
Description: simple UEFI boot manager - tools and services

#547 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-11 10:04:44

There must be something wrong with whatever generates that list. There's no systemd package in devuan.

root@ceres:/# apt policy systemd
systemd:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:

Same as the rest of the banned packages.
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt

#548 Re: Off-topic » Hi all! Back again after many adventures! » 2023-10-06 16:20:17

One thing that happened while you were gone and you already know it is that ascii reached end-of-live and is no longer supported.
But what you may not know is that you can still get the last software updates by changing sources.list to archive.devuan.org instead of deb.devuan.org (or whatever you may have used). I think only main or main and security are enabled.

Oh yeah, maybe try apulse instead of pulseaudio.

#549 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Strange filemanager behaviour » 2023-10-05 19:03:04

One way to get into this situation would be to rsync /DATA to /media/storage/ when nothing is mounted at /media/storage. Then when you do mount something there, it will hide /media/storage/DATA.

To fix it, you could get fancy with overlay mounts so that DATA did not get covered, but moving it out as already suggested is a much better idea.

'locate' shows you what it found the last time updatedb ran, which might be different from what files exist now. updatedb usually runs once a day.

#550 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] service ssh not running » 2023-10-05 18:42:03

I checked this on a daedalus live-iso with runit that I made some time ago. (more than a year, I think,) I get slightly different weirdness.

service tells me that ssh is running. If I try to stop it with 'service ssh stop' it tells me that it's stopped, but then status tells me it's still running.
If I then try 'sv stop ssh' it does stop it (according to service) and then I can stop or start it with the service command. i.e. it only fails the first time.

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