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#26 Re: News & Announcements » X.Org Security Advisory: Security issue in the X server » 2023-02-07 20:08:09

andyprough wrote:

Or just be a normal person and write a ~/.xinitrc file with 'exec dwm' (or whatever your wm/desktop is), or with xfce4 just use the 'startxfce4' command instead of 'startx'.

Using ~/.xinitrc is actually not recommended for De{bi,vu}an systems, ~/.xsession should be used instead; see startx(1) for more on this.

Using startx with no ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsesssion will start either /usr/bin/x-session-manager or /usr/bin/x-window-manager (if the former is not present) which allows the default desktop to be changed with update-alternatives without having to mess around editing text files like a cave person.

#27 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-07 19:10:58

blackhole wrote:

This site simply serves as a platform for pushing the admin's ideology - "views".  That's what they mostly contribute here. Devuan project is just the vehicle. It's supposed to "about Devuan" but there those views are, over and over again...  if you don't belive me, please search and you will find their ideological postings scattered throughout.

I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to right-wing nutcases and while it's true that several have posted here (and insulted me directly because of my anarchist politics) I've never seen such views expressed by any staff. Do you have any links you could share?

I do appreciate the warning though. Always good to have your input. Thanks.

#28 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Thinkfan on AMD Laptop? » 2023-02-07 19:07:12

The only systemd-specific stage in that blog post is to enable the service but the thinkfan package does actually supply an init script, which is nice.

So instead of

# systemctl enable thinkfan

Use

# update-rc.d thinkfan defaults

For the suspend/resume functionality see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4483.

The only caveat here is that the thinkfan package is not available for Devuan chimaera but the laptop is old so beowulf would probably be fine if you don't mind the older packages. Note that daedalus is still under development so you might encounter problems with that. Whatever you do don't try to add the daedalus repositories to a chimaera system, that's always a bad idea.

#29 Re: News & Announcements » X.Org Security Advisory: Security issue in the X server » 2023-02-07 13:30:55

This vulnerability has been discovered but I'm sure there are *many* others lurking in that massively bloated code base. Running X under the root user really is a terrible decision. I am shocked that the Devuan developers consider this situation acceptable in any way.

#30 Re: Off-topic » Font , old linux rake. » 2023-02-07 13:29:05

I didn't need to mount the Win11 ISO at all when extracting the fonts using the ArchWiki method. Mounting the image is not a step in those instructions.

Also the Win11 ISO is completely free and legal to download with no registrations required. No need to bother with dodgy pirated software that almost certainly contains hidden malware.

#31 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-07 06:47:29

blackhole wrote:

Perhaps get shut of this "MiyoLinux" twat once and for all instead of tolerating right wing nutters and cleaning up after them...?

D00d chill, Miyo is just trying to wind me up.

#32 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Search cooldown time » 2023-02-07 06:38:17

Any chance of reducing the 60 second timeout for new posts? It might just be my sporadic hypomania but I butt up against this limitation more than I would like and I find the wait quite excruciating sometimes. I understand if it won't be possible though, it does help prevent spam.

#33 Re: News & Announcements » X.Org Security Advisory: Security issue in the X server » 2023-02-07 06:35:04

Phoronix have covered this:

https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Ser … -2023-0494

Some salient quotes from that piece:

Phoronix wrote:

The X.Org Server keeps on giving when it comes to security vulnerabilities with its massive, aging, and ill-maintained code-base.
[...]
It's been ten years already since a security researcher commented that the X.Org Server codebase security is "worse than it looks" and it continues to be the source of new security vulnerabilities for this still commonly used component to the Linux desktop.

Which is why I switched to Wayland some time ago :-)

And especially relevant for Devuan users:

Phoronix wrote:

Thankfully for many modern X.Org Server environments these days, the X.Org Server is no longer run as root / elevated privileges but for older systems and in other select configurations unfortunately remains running in such a vulnerable configuration.

The default Xfce desktop for Devuan uses SLiM or LightDM and both run X under the root user so both are vulnerable to this exploit.

Starting the desktop via GDM or startx will cause X to be run under the normal user and so avoid this vulnerability completely.

To switch to startx either remove or disable (eg, update-rc.d slim disable) the display manager and add this line to the end of ~/.profile (or ~/.bash_profile if you use bash and have that file already) to start the desktop automatically after log in at TTY1:

[ "$(tty)" = /dev/tty1 ] && exec startx

To change the default desktop for all users run this command:

# update-alternatives --config x-session-manager

To change the default desktop on a per-user basis create a file at ~/.xsession containing the commands needed to start that desktop, as per https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession.

Or just switch to Wayland :-)

#34 Re: Off-topic » Font , old linux rake. » 2023-02-06 18:00:26

The narrow version shows up fine for me.

Installation method here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Micros … indows_ISO

Windows ISO images are free to download: https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11

EDIT: added URL tags.

EDIT2: just upgraded to the Win11 version and they look better to me. Removed Win10 link, you don't need that.

#35 Re: Off-topic » Font , old linux rake. » 2023-02-05 22:29:55

I prefer to rip Arial out of the Windows ISO images. The newer versions are nicer, IMO.

#36 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] I hate asking this question... but Daedalus release? » 2023-02-05 19:38:26

Sorry Marjorie, I didn't read your post carefully enough and presumed you were running an old LTS kernel version. Silly me.

#37 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-02-05 10:11:20

zapper wrote:

sakura

lol. No.

Firstly, sakura is so shit that it isn't even available from the official Arch repositories. Secondly, the configuration options are far too minimal — it's not even possible to set the complete colourscheme from those stupid menus, only a limited selection of pre-set themes are available and they're all rubbish. And thirdly it's a complete bloat monster.

Look:

20230205-09h56m59s-grim.png

So sakura's using five times as much RAM compared to either xterm or foot (my preferences for X and Wayland, respectively). Seems to me that it is indeed "sucking a huge crapton of resources for no reason".

Anyway I prefer xterm because it's the emulator supplied for the OpenBSD base system and so benefits from their extensive security audits. No other terminal emulator is formally audited in this way.

And please provide a screenshot of your desktop when posting in this thread. Your flagrant violation of thread topics and multiple attempts to derail any thread in which you post really is getting on my tits.

#38 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] I hate asking this question... but Daedalus release? » 2023-02-04 23:25:49

Marjorie wrote:

It seems to be a graphics issue

Try a newer firmware version:

$ rmadison firmware-amd-graphics
firmware-amd-graphics | 20161130-5         | oldoldstable/non-free             | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20190114-2~bpo9+1  | stretch-backports/non-free        | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20190114-2         | oldstable/non-free                | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20210315-3~bpo10+1 | buster-backports/non-free         | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20210315-3         | stable/non-free                   | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20210818-1~bpo11+1 | bullseye-backports/non-free       | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20221214-5         | testing/non-free-firmware         | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20221214-5         | unstable/non-free-firmware        | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20230117-1         | buildd-unstable/non-free-firmware | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20230117-1         | unstable/non-free-firmware        | all
$

The 2022-12-14 snapshot will probably fix things with no need to run an outdated kernel with known, published vulnerabilities.

The .deb from unstable should be safe to install in a stable system because it has no dependencies:

http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/non-f … -5_all.deb

#39 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2023-02-04 19:49:54

golinux wrote:

Maybe give this one a spin

I certainly will, thanks! I've always found theology fascinating. "Spirituality" means absolutely nothing to me though so perhaps this will help clear up my confusion in that respect :-)

And one for you (no free download though, sorry):

If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him by Sheldon B Kopp.

I first read it many years ago when I was a teenager struggling with depression. I've since graduated to bipolar so that's some progress, at least. I found it very helpful anyway.

#40 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2023-02-04 12:12:50

Andy the theologist, eh? Didn't see that coming. Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.

I'm reading Professor David Graeber's excellent Bullshit Jobs. Absolutely brilliant. Everybody should read this.

#42 Re: Off-topic » Here is a good lesson, in the art of the troll! » 2023-02-03 22:34:07

Here's how to troll with a PR:

https://github.com/VegaDeftwing/opinion … og/archwtf

The PR itself was removed but "VegaDeftwing" (if that is their real name) helpfully saved screenshots of all my posts. Just use the "view raw" option on the images to behold the magnificence...

They even tried to grass me up to the Arch devs lol

EDIT: the actual PR just completely deleted their terrible Arch installation "guide", which can be found here.

EDIT2: and here's the follow-up blog post:

https://opguides.info/posts/wtfarch/

Fucking hilarious.

#43 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Git hangs on cloning » 2023-02-03 21:52:20

TCH wrote:

damage.log contained a list of 1188 packages

Yeah, good luck with all the other bugs and issues induced by those that you have yet to discover tongue

#44 Re: Off-topic » Here is a good lesson, in the art of the troll! » 2023-02-03 21:50:43

Meh. Not impressed.

Check out my forums.debian.net post history. Some real gems in there. Even when I was on the "staff". It was my fault that the Debian developers finally took an interest in the place again and flew in their wonderful "donald", if that is their real name.

#45 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » xboxdrv, xbox360 controller in devuan chimaera » 2023-02-03 18:10:31

Add xpad to /etc/modules (or to it's own file under /etc/modules-load.d/) then update the initramfs:

# update-initramfs -u -k all

And reboot.

#46 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Git hangs on cloning » 2023-02-03 15:16:11

That librtmp1 package is not from Debian or Devuan. It is listed in that "damage.log" you posted over at daemonforums.org and it was from one of those crappy third party repositories.

So if you had done what I told you to:

I wrote:

You can try removing all of the stuff installed from those repositories to see if that fixes git. Given that git works fine in the "pure" live environment I would expect that to be the case. Good luck!

Then you wouldn't have wasted everybody's time and effort here...

#47 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Git hangs on cloning » 2023-02-03 06:14:32

Pretty sure this is caused by the OP running a FrankenDevuan system. See the daemonforums thread for full details.

#48 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-03 06:10:51

zapper wrote:

I know your joking here

I'm not joking. Also: *you're.

The really funny thing is that I regularly do work for government departments, I picked up from the Ministry of Defence just yesterday and I used to do the Hansard run so I have the names and full addresses of lots of people in power. Nice.

#49 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » xboxdrv, xbox360 controller in devuan chimaera » 2023-02-02 06:27:57

The 360 controller should be supported by the native xpad kernel driver, xboxdrv just offers more configuration.

Not sure why you're using that shitty, ad-ridden, javascript-infested "debian.pkgs.org" site when the Devuan developers have gone to the trouble of providing a beautifully clean package search page:

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … v&x=submit

The xboxdrv package was removed for the chimaera release as part of the Python2 deprecation process:

https://tracker.debian.org/news/1119505 … m-testing/

I think the problem here might be the cable — if it is a "Play&Charge" USB cable then it can only be used for charging. Or perhaps TLP is disabling it, if you're using that.

More information here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamepa … controller

So what does dmesg say about the device when you plug it in?

EDIT: check

ls /dev/input/js*

^ That will show if it detected as a controller.

#50 Re: Other Issues » can't run Thunar as user: segmentation fault » 2023-02-01 20:03:58

Carolina In My Mind wrote:

I've long since turned them off.

No you haven't.

What was installed from them? This command should show us (install the aptitude package first):

aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?origin(Debian))'

Thunar works just fine in the chimaera Xfce live ISO image. The stable release usually only breaks because the user did something ill-advised, such as adding non-Devuan repositories.

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