[SOLVED] I hate asking this question... but Daedalus release?

mweishaar · 2023-02-03 20:39:37

Is there anywhere I can find info on the Daedalus release?

I know it's in testing, and it will be ready when it's ready. But is there any info out there about how it is going? It is looking good, coming soon? Not close? A smoking pile of garbage? (I know it's not that)

I've installed it in a VM, and seems good. I plan to do (yet another) dist-upgrade when it is released.
I'm just curious, and I can't seem to find any information anywhere.

Last edited by mweishaar (2023-02-03 21:55:11)

rolfie · 2023-02-03 21:59:16

Use Daedalus as search pattern in the forum search and you will find a bunch of topics listed.

I myself use it productive already on a brand new graphics card that does not work well in Chimaera. More than two months now, no major issues. I have also installed it on my laptop in parallel to Chimaera.

MrReplikant · 2023-02-03 23:44:37

mweishaar wrote:

Is there anywhere I can find info on the Daedalus release?
I know it's in testing, and it will be ready when it's ready. But is there any info out there about how it is going? It is looking good, coming soon? Not close? A smoking pile of garbage? (I know it's not that)
I've installed it in a VM, and seems good. I plan to do (yet another) dist-upgrade when it is released.
I'm just curious, and I can't seem to find any information anywhere.

Daedalus is definitely good. Lots of nice fixes in vs chimaera, just per my own observation. Daedalus will, if I had to guess, probably release sometime in April or may, shortly after the release of Debian Bookworm. We are pretty well in-step with their release schedule.

boughtonp · 2023-02-04 00:14:14

mweishaar wrote:

Is there anywhere I can find info on the Daedalus release?

The information is surely at https://www.devuan.org/os/releases:

testing is where the next stable suite is developed. Software is usually more up-to-date but there may still be issues. testing becomes stable “when it is ready”.

Devuan releases cannot occur before the corresponding Debian release, and nobody knows yet when Debian 12 will be ready, so the same applies to Devuan 5.

What we can do is look at the fact that Devuan 4 (Chimaera) was released October 2021, two months after the August 2021 release of Debian 11 (Bullseye), and note that the projected soft/hard/full freeze dates for Bookworm correlate with Bullseye's dates, so if Debian 12 is released in August 2023, then "some point in Q4" would seem a reasonable estimate, assuming no major surprises.

mweishaar · 2023-02-04 00:52:55

@rolfie - Thanks. Yes, I have found lots of topics, but nothing about the release itself. I just got a new-to-me card (amd RX 5600XT) and it's working ok after passing kernel params to stop the crashes.

@MrReplikant and @boughtonp Thanks, that gives me a general timeframe, that is all I was really looking for. The Devuan and Debian pages just speak in rough theories about releases, I was looking for 'best guesses' as to when that may be.

Now I need to decide if I want to dist-upgrade now, or just hang on for another couple of months.

rolfie · 2023-02-04 09:16:19

mweishaar wrote:

@rolfie - Thanks. Yes, I have found lots of topics, but nothing about the release itself. I just got a new-to-me card (amd RX 5600XT) and it's working ok after passing kernel params to stop the crashes.

Still got a PC running on a Ryzen7 3700 and a 5500XT, stock Chimaera with backports kernel, my wife's desktop. No kernel parameters required, just firmware-amd-graphics. You should stick to Chimaera until Daedalus is becoming stable.

My desktop was upgraded to a 6700XT, that does not work fine on Chimaera, it need more recent mesa and other stuff. This is running Daedalus. No kernel params, again just firmware-amd-graphics.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-02-04 12:08:48

Relevant: https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html

mweishaar · 2023-02-04 14:58:38

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Relevant: https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html

There we go! Thank you. *thumbs up*

mweishaar · 2023-02-04 15:17:02

rolfie wrote:

mweishaar wrote:
@rolfie - Thanks. Yes, I have found lots of topics, but nothing about the release itself. I just got a new-to-me card (amd RX 5600XT) and it's working ok after passing kernel params to stop the crashes.
Still got a PC running on a Ryzen7 3700 and a 5500XT, stock Chimaera with backports kernel, my wife's desktop. No kernel parameters required, just firmware-amd-graphics. You should stick to Chimaera until Daedalus is becoming stable.
My desktop was upgraded to a 6700XT, that does not work fine on Chimaera, it need more recent mesa and other stuff. This is running Daedalus. No kernel params, again just firmware-amd-graphics.

This is veering a little off-topic, but this is just informational as to why I am waiting for Daedalus.

I am on Chimaera with a Ryzen 5 5600G, and I guess the issue was pretty prevalent with the 5600XT. I had a R9 380 previously with no issues. I started getting occasional freezes / crashes running 5.10.0-20-amd64 from backports. Without the backbport version the sensors weren't being recognized.

[amdgpu]] *ERROR* IB test failed on vcn_enc0
...
Msg issuing pre-check failed and SMU may be not in the right state!
Failed to export SMU metrics table!

Sometimes it would fail to boot with these errors.

I eventually landed on these kernel params which stabilized things. I've updated to 5.10.0-21-amd64 since then and have been meaning to try it out without the params, just haven't gotten around to it yet. The dpm and tsc were the ones I added for this specific issue.

pci=noats amdgpu.dpm=0 tsc=unstable

rolfie · 2023-02-04 18:45:36

Ok, this is a slightly different situation, your 5600G CPU isn't comparable to a 5x00XT graphics card. And despite your post the 5.10 kernel series is stock Chimaera, not backports.

For full support please enable chimaera-backports main contrib non-free in your sources.list. The perform:

# apt update
# apt -t chimaera-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-amd-graphics

linux-image-amd64 is a meta-package that pulls the latest backports kernel (currently some 6.x version) and makes sure that its being upgraded when required. And also the graphics firmware has an update in backports.

Give it a try, should improve your system ...

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Marjorie · 2023-02-04 23:09:51

I have a 5600G running Chimaera.
AMD issued fixes for the integrated graphics in the 5600G in backported kernel 5.15, this also fixed an issue I had with the lack of a driver for the sensor (nct6687) on my MSI B550 motherboard.
I have since attempted to install more recent backport kernels but I found that they have issues. In particular Signal Desktop (from the repositories) and Zoom (from Zoom) often almost froze when starting. It seems to be a graphics issue.
This may well have been fixed in newer kernels than the ones I tried but if you are still having issues having followed Rolfie's advice I suggest you try 5.15 (LTS until at least October 2023).
I still get freeze issues with 5.15 if I try to suspend and resume. Hibernate and resume works fine.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-02-04 23:25:49

Marjorie wrote:

It seems to be a graphics issue

Try a newer firmware version:

$ rmadison firmware-amd-graphics
firmware-amd-graphics | 20161130-5         | oldoldstable/non-free             | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20190114-2~bpo9+1  | stretch-backports/non-free        | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20190114-2         | oldstable/non-free                | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20210315-3~bpo10+1 | buster-backports/non-free         | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20210315-3         | stable/non-free                   | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20210818-1~bpo11+1 | bullseye-backports/non-free       | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20221214-5         | testing/non-free-firmware         | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20221214-5         | unstable/non-free-firmware        | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20230117-1         | buildd-unstable/non-free-firmware | all
firmware-amd-graphics | 20230117-1         | unstable/non-free-firmware        | all
$

The 2022-12-14 snapshot will probably fix things with no need to run an outdated kernel with known, published vulnerabilities.

The .deb from unstable should be safe to install in a stable system because it has no dependencies:

http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/non-f … -5_all.deb

mweishaar · 2023-02-05 18:00:19

rolfie wrote:

Ok, this is a slightly different situation, your 5600G CPU isn't comparable to a 5x00XT graphics card. And despite you post the 5.10 kernel series is stock Chimaera, not backports.
For full support please enable chimaera-backports main contrib non-free in your sources.list. The perform:
# apt update
# apt -t chimaera-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-amd-graphics
linux-image-amd64 is a meta-package that pulls the latest backports kernel (currently some 6.x version) and makes sure that its being upgraded when required. And also the graphics firmware has an update in backports.
Give it a try, should improve your system ...

Hm, I had done that previously, but simply did the apt install and did not use -t chimaera-backports.
I then commented it out in sources.list. I wonder if I accidentally downgraded during an update.
I just did this (and included linux-headers-6.0.0-0.deb11.6-amd64), so I will see how it goes.

Note: I am NOT using the built-in graphics in the 5600G, they are disabled. I had a Ryzen 5 3600 and just upgraded to the 5600G that was taken out of my son's computer. He got a Ryzen 7 for Xmas.

rolfie · 2023-02-05 18:18:24

Ok, another loop. You definitely use a 5600XT for display, not the built in graphics from the CPU? Its a NAVI1, but a later modification. For firmware support you may need to follow HoaS' suggestion.

Backports handling: if you want to install a package from backports, you explicitly must specify this as I showed in my example. Just enabling backports in the sources.list and an install won't pull anything from backports. Intentionally. Pinning makes sure ....

You did not downgrade, but also didn't upgrade. When you pull a package from backports leave backports enabled, or you may get a downgrade later. And you won't get fixes from backports.

Good luck ...

Marjorie · 2023-02-05 19:30:00

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Marjorie wrote:
It seems to be a graphics issue
Try a newer firmware version:
The 2022-12-14 snapshot (of firmware-amd-graphics] will probably fix things with no need to run an outdated kernel with known, published vulnerabilities.
The .deb from unstable should be safe to install in a stable system because it has no dependencies:
http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/non-f … -5_all.deb

Well that may help.Thanks.

You do have to upgrade firmware-linux-nonfree from stable to backports first before the more up to date firmware-amd-graphics will install.

Installed it, upgrade to the latest 6.0.0.0 backported kernel and Zoom and Signal now start OK. Suspend-resume works for a while after resume and then freezes, as before.

Not sure why a still current and supported LTS kernel is considered "outdated kernel with known, published vulnerabilities", though I note that all the backported kernels lag the latest version.

mainline:        6.2-rc6 	        2023-01-29 	
stable:          6.1.9 	                2023-02-01 	
stable:          6.0.19 [EOL]           2023-01-12 	
longterm:        5.15.91 	        2023-02-01 	
longterm:        5.10.166               2023-02-01 	
longterm:        5.4.230 	        2023-01-24 	
longterm:        4.19.271 	        2023-01-24 	
longterm:        4.14.304 	        2023-01-24 	
longterm:        4.9.337 [EOL]          2023-01-07

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-02-05 19:38:26

Sorry Marjorie, I didn't read your post carefully enough and presumed you were running an old LTS kernel version. Silly me.

mweishaar · 2023-02-05 19:53:36

rolfie wrote:

Ok, another loop. You definitely use a 5600XT for display, not the built in graphics from the CPU? Its a NAVI1, but a later modification. For firmware support you may need to follow HoaS' suggestion.
Backports handling: if you want to install a package from backports, you explicitly must specify this as I showed in my example. Just enabling backports in the sources.list and an install won't pull anything from backports. Intentionally. Pinning makes sure ....
You did not downgrade, but also didn't upgrade. When you pull a package from backports leave backports enabled, or you may get a downgrade later. And you won't get fixes from backports.
Good luck ...

Correct on the 5600XT. I already had it working, so already had the firmware installed. I checked, there isn't any newer in backports.

NOW I have upgraded to 6.0.0-0.deb11.6-amd64. This is really the first time I have needed or cared to get something from backports, so it's been a learning experience. Thanks for the help.

I had previously added the kernel params to /etc/default/grub, and the 6.0 kernel did NOT like them. Population of /dev timed out @180 sec upon boot, and then only 1 monitor was working. Removed them and all is fine!

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