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"The Dementia Connection" is based on older studies. Older people have more of a tendency towards developing age related hearing loss (far more common than dementia), hair loss, loss of teeth, arthritis, etc, etc. So claiming that hearing loss is linked to dementia is akin to finding a link between dementia and liking old music...
The British Academy of Audiology released their own position statement:
https://baaudiology.org/professional-in … -dementia/
"There is no convincing evidence that hearing interventions reduce the risk of dementia
in the general population."
"There is currently no good quality evidence that hearing loss causes dementia, only evidence to show that
there is an association between them."
There is also the "reverse causation" aspect to this - i.e. undiagnosed dementia may be linked to hearing loss...
The problem here is that this is about statistics, rather than science or medical fact. There are also those in the market of selling hearing interventions, who are in a position to profit from such scaremongering "studies"/claims.
@RedGreen925, you're coming across as a foaming at the mouth, emotionally driven, web browser fanboi, and thus leading me to conclude that you're not worth debating with. I have come across this before, where fans of $PROJECT get personally offended if their top favourite software is criticised. That's you.
I posted the facts about Waterfox's acquistion by System1 and it's spinning off as an independent browser three years later. I added my thoughts, to the effect that I wouldn't trust it. If you do, that's up to you. You got offended.
I think you will need to export $PATH in ~/.profile instead. I'm sure ~/.bash_profile is only for login shells.
Hello @RedGreen,
He sold out to a US based ad company, despite all the previous privacy claims. It's not about "hate", that's an oversimplification. I have nothing against him or the project, but if one markets a product on privacy claims, then sells said project to an ad company - I am going to not consider / reconsider using it. If you read his public statement at the time of the sale, it's not at all convincing. System1 registered the Privacy One company for the purpose of acquiring Waterfox and Startpage. The intent there was to hide / obscure the acquisition by System1, a fairly common business practice. It's easy to see why it became independent again - it was a bad move to start with. That's all, I'm not going to further derail the thread...
Waterfox was acquired in 2020 by Privacy One Group Ltd - the company who also acquired Startpage. That company was a subsidiary of ad company System1... Waterfox was divested three years later, but mud sticks. Personally I don't trust supposed "privacy" focused projects, or their developers, who sell out to advertising companies. There are more than a few articles out there related to this.
Compiling kernel modules for a CPU...?
I used AMD GPUs with Linux for years and can't recall compiling anything.
Right wing, misinformation spreading, websites seem to be the order of the day.
No idea why you would regard that utterly biased blog, painting Somali immigrants to the US as fraudsters as "good commentaries".
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/epiphany/-/issues/1814
I believe it conflicts with a feature called "mouse gestures".
If that feature is what I think it is, then it's also used in certain browsers and I have always instantly disabled it.
You have to bear in mind though, that gnome aren't focused on creating a desktop for people who want to customise and use their computer the way they want to use it - it's just a bad macOS imitation, developed by narcissists for idiots, and mostly funded by the likes of Red Hat. So in that world "mouse gestures" are a gimmick seeing more widespread use than primary paste (although I doubt it).
Mozilla corporation/foundation aren't even worth consideration. Nothing but empty, meaningless babble has come from that side for over a decade.
I'm an ex-internet professional + server admin and yet was flummoxed by "amd64" as the supported architecture.
I guarantee that if I asked 10 random "IT professionals" what "amd64" meant, most wouldn't know, so you're not alone.
AMD actually called it "x86-64 (tm)" :
https://web.archive.org/web/20120308025 … e_715.aspx
Intel implemented their version of x86-64 ("amd64") as "Intel 64".
I'm not 100% sure where the "amd64" terminology originated from, but it may not have been ADM themselves. I only ever see that used by Linux distributions or FreeBSD for example. I seem to recall that the Linux kernel sources had the options to build a kernel type of "hammer", which refers to the original x86-64/amd64 CPU.
Intel was out to abandon it users and force them onto the new processors that used the ia64
Not strictly correct. HP actually designed the Itanium and the main target was actually HP-UX and the wider server market.
Intel was never out to "abandon" any users, as ultimately, with regards to the existing x86 PC market, that was always dictated and controlled by Microsoft. At that time, 32 bit Windows on x86 hardware was still the de facto standard.
Not about "patents" as such. Intel started out in 64 bit with IA64 architecture (Itanium), which they later phased out in favour of amd64 (AMD's implementation). Search the web for a more detailed history. amd64 was designed to run 32 bit and 64 bit code, Itanium was pure 64 bit.
"This is why we have the unstable -> testing -> stable workflow"
In Debian yes, not in the derivatives, unless the derivate in question is intentionally and by design, based on the Debian testing and/or unstable branches (e.g. Ubuntu) and has the manpower and financial backing to oversee a project on the scale of Debian. Based on this, it has already gone past that stage of "quality control" and the Devuan maintainers/packagers are only focused on systemd removal, as I understand it?
"stable" in the Debian sense means "unchanging", it doesn't mean bug free. Debian releases, go out with bugs, and receive continual updates until the release is EoL.
It's impossible to QC everything, as it's impossible to QC everything in FreeBSD ports, for example. Many packages lack maintainers, etc...
Debian "developers" don't "develop", the software. Debian mainly provide the packaging tools and infrastructure. The package maintainers attempt to fix bugs, but they are usually reliant on patches from upstream.
This is where the OP's argument is most misguided. Debian don't "quality control" every single line of code that makes up a source package, which is in turn packaged and then becomes a Debian release. Due to the nature of the "freeze", Debian releases with numerous bugs and receives ongoing fixes during the lifetime of a release. Sime bugs are never fixed.
Devuan and other derivatives inherit those. Except for maybe Ubuntu, none of the derivatives have the man power to go it alone.
So Debian and by extension Devuan, are not actually responisble for any bugs in the upstream software they may provide. Really this would be better as a detailed bug report to the developers of SLiM.
I have never had much success with SLiM on any OS / Linux distribution. I seem to remember testing it with autologin (I don't use autologin personally but needed it for a project) and getting nowhere fast, so I went with lightdm instead.
Apart from that bug with the "untitled" window, which was thoroughly explored by Eegmcsq in the other thread, and the polkit issue for which you have provided no information at all, I'm not seeing the justification for the criticism and general tone of your OP - or declaring Devuan a "shit show".
The SLiM issue looks like an "upstream" problem, so your complaint is somewhat misdirected. The supposed polkit issue, can't be addressed because you've provided no details. Also no idea what the "firefox system bar" is.
Looking at the earlier posts in this thread, with respect to /usr/local and /opt :
I know of no OS that uses /opt according to older FSH documenation. There might be, but it's none of the BSDs, macOS or any Linux distribution that I have come across. That same site also has the section for /usr/local and describes its historic purpose and its use today.
Nowadays /opt is for software that fits the description "self contained binary distribution". e.g. the Mozilla Firefox binaries.
/usr/local is for software you compile locally and install into a structure that matches /usr . The idea there is that your locally compiled version doesn't clobber the version provided by the OS. This is exactly how FreeBSD and OpenBSD ports are installed.
So I'm not sure installing packages into /usr/local makes any sense.
If I'm going to go to great lengths to package something, then I'm going to install it into /usr and I'm going to ensure dependencies are handled, and that I have correct conflicts in place to ensure I'm not overwriting anything. However I might not do any of the above, and we're back to where we were 10 + years ago with those user created Ubuntu packages which were frowned on by Debian users. This is why the likes of flatpak and snap appeared...
Otherwise I'm not going to bother packaging it in the first place.
Pretty sure you could insert comment blocks /**/ instead of relying on spaces as separators. So disabling spaces might not make much difference, in the grand scheme of things, though in my opinion, they should be disallowed.
I had a look for known CVEs and only found an earlier SQL injection, relating to a different script, but admittedly didn't look very hard...
You can drill down to get that info. My point is that, Debian is actually not this pinnacle of design and engineering that some believe it to be. It's the approach of freezing at these specific package versions and then patching, that creates many of these problems, then the backporting of "upstream" security patches to older versions has been shown to be unreliable time and again - i.e. those patching not understanding what they're patching, and not factoring in upstream changes in newer versions and their dependencies which could render the patch useless or detrimental (it has happened).Then there are the plethora of bugs which remain unfixed for the lifecycle of a release, because they either can't be easily fixed without upgrading components to newer versions or there is no one willing/able to do the work.
"I thought the web was built more like Debian"
Lets hope not:
https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/23/
https://www.cvedetails.com/version-list … Linux.html
Also:
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … ase/stable
https://bugs.debian.org/release-critica … n/all.html
FreeBSD for comparison
sudo-rs (sudo rewritten in rust) has had few recent vulnerabilities:
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … st-sudo-rs
https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-7867-1
Following another link from the one in the OP: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsof … ack-online
No one wants this, but it's happening anyway.
The problem with Microsoft is that it all comes down to shareholders demands and they understand 0 about OS, software development and computing in general. So when it comes to "cloud", "AI", "memory safe", and the next fads, they want to see these represented in some form. It has to "grow"... and it's about being seen to be doing something to compete, and stay relevant.
I must have missed the "constructive criticism".
There will probably never be a "Year of the Linux Desktop", because desktops and by extension laptops which run a consumer OS such as Windows or macOS are developed for profit first and foremost and to hold a users hand through normal usage, installtion of software, configuration and setup. That is to say that they are designed and engineered to meet the demands of a customer - and underlying complexity isn't a problem for such OS so long as the UI and getting things installed and working is "easy". The large teams develping such an OS are well paid and the people using it almost always pay for it, either with their money or their data. This model doesn't translate to FOSS software developed by volunteers, who don't service customers at all.
A "free" OS is a whole different ball game: No one is going to develop "Desktop Linux" completely for free - for people who want a Windows/macOS experience, if there are no rewards for doing so - which is why it hasn't happened to date.
Of the projects making the biggest strides in that direction, such as systemd, gnome, KDE, wayland, etc - they have attracted criticism from certain quarters for particular design decisions, increased complexity and/or corporate funding/influence.
Undortunately any efforts towards Linux on the desktop nowadays will be corporate backed aside from simple Window managers. There is the conundrum. To avoid this move away from UNIX style KISS philosophy, means embracing simpler software such as window managers and using the terminal - you can't have it both ways... well you can, but you need to get the skills to do it yourself.
No idea what any of that has to do with the deprecation and obsolescence of gtk2 - and it's removal from Arch Linux repositories.
It does mean, however, that GTK 2 has reached the end of its life. We will do one final 2.x release in the coming days, and we encourage everybody to port their GTK 2 applications to GTK 3 or 4.
https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/
It's very simple: When gnome 2 was declared EOL by the gnome project, people stepped up, forked it and that's why Mate exists. You also have projects such as Xlibre and of course Devuan... without someone doing the work, it doesn't happen. You will get the same script on the OpenBSD mailing lists - one of the least corporate FOSS projects there is.
The writing was on the wall for gtk2 with regards to systemd embracing projects such as Arch.... so this thread really is non news.
We can only blame MATE and Xfce developers AND users for not forking/improving GTK2.
Always easy to blame those people who presumably should have developed and maintained 23 year old software for free...
The point is that it's funded and organised by the Rust Foundation, which is a consortium of Microsoft, google and Amazon, along with Huawei and the founder Mozilla (who famously laid off all the developers).
In other words there is a business case for rust, otherwise those top three wouldn't be involved.
At this moment in time, there are no serious efforts to rewrite any OS in rust, but time will tell and as other "memory safe" languages are on the rise, it may never happen anyway. There is a corporate demand for memory safe languages at the application level - this where the likes of MS and google are focused.
But anyway, back to topic: It appears there are already hard rust depends for Debian?
But what this thread amounts to is complaining about a corporate backed language being adopted in an already corporate controlled distribution which itself distributes a lot of already corporate funded and developed software such as the Linux kernel, X.org, gnome, systemd, wayland, etc. That horse has bolted.
Be aware: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2 … 00288.html
Rust is already a hard requirement for all except those obscure architectures that are referenced
Rust is a fad and it's adoption has slowed, but "memory safe" is now a thing, regardless of what happens with rust in the future.