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#1 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-23 17:53:26

Thatcher was unashamedly a Tory. I.e. not all worried about openly supporting fellow fascists: … alt-whisky

#2 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-23 15:14:51

LU344928 wrote:

Incredibly, the British government of Margaret Thatcher had continued to support the defunct Pol Pot regime in the United Nations and even sent the SAS to train his exiled troops in camps in Thailand and Malaysia.

Not incredible at all.  She was pure evil.

#3 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2022-02-22 15:36:03

As soon as politics were brought up - thread was doomed.

#4 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 15:34:02

At LQ there was a moratorium on covid topics - and quite rightly so.  I'm wise enough to keep my opinions on it to myself...

But any covid thread quickly deteriorates into social media style puerile squabbles, both sides waving supposed "facts" around, neither side actually having a clue.  Not worth all the trouble.

#5 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED-BAD RAM] Browser crashes on Devuan 3 and 4,... » 2022-02-17 17:18:01

Well headstick, you've blasted palemoon and it's admittedly 1st class A hole developers (not to mention that kids' gaming style pantomime of a forum of theirs') and you've failed to get a rise.

And when it turned out that palemoon wasn't to blame at all, not even a murmur from the fans...

Credit where it's due to the fans.

(better luck next time, you've been a lovely audience)

#6 Re: Installation » The best init system » 2022-02-15 08:42:39

Unless your writing your own rc scrips / services / unit files, I'm not sure why you'd care.

#8 Re: Devuan » A Possible Future For Devuan and Linux » 2022-02-01 15:58:28

jacksprat wrote:

The prospect of systemD "infecting" the Linux kernel source code is too scary to think about.

That may be the product of fear mongering.  Linux is not just GNU/Linux + systemd.  In fact it's mainly Android: … oogle-2021

That's over 85% of mobile devices.

Desktops are < 2%.

Servers and embedded (including smartphone OS) is the main market for Linux, that's what the corporate funding is all about.  Of those only servers and only those server products from Red Hat, SUSE and Canonical are really invested in systemd.  But make no mistake about it, they want users and exposure.

Desktop distributions get it, because they are well downstream and serve as free beta testers for those enterprise server OS.  systemd entanglement with the gnome project (another Red Hat funded project) also ensures that systemd is shoehorned into desktops as much as possible, to increase the numbers further.  Consider that most of the major desktop distributions are corporate owned or funded - or reliant on a distribution that is.  systemd does more and more, because it's goal is to achieve as wide adoption as possible.  Those desktop distributions are after all hardly different to their server counterparts.

It's about cheap development - developing the kind of software that Microsoft and historically the likes of HPE and IBM had to pay out many, many hundreds of millions to develop, maintain and support over decades.

#9 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-31 17:09:34

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: ← both Google and Microsoft are regulars in that list.

Most contributions to OpenBSD are really just contributions to OpenSSH.  Microsoft at least have thrown some money at the project, which is more than you can say about the likes of Red Hat for example.
Influence wise, knowing how the OpenBSD project is managed and run, Microsoft have very little if any of that.  The Linux Foundation, with it's members, board of directors and technical advisory board made up of "Big Tech" is a very different story.

OpenBSD is a tiny project, Linux is a massive corporate sponsored project.  No comparison is worthwhile, and certainly no donations to OpenBSD from any of the "Big Tech" players has any relevance at this stage.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

But the GPL is the reason why hardware support for Linux is so broad — if the companies want to use the licensed code then they are forced to share any changes they make afterwards.

A lot of the fabled hardware support comes in the form of permissive licenced code for proprietary hardware - relying on proprietary firmware.  The big corporations contributing to Linux are actively keeping their proprietary IP well insulated...  I for one fail to see the connection between GPL and broad hardware support.

The "support" mostly comes from paid employees contributing to the kernel.  It's been known for several years now that more than 85% of code contributions are from paid developers.

The Linux kernel is where it is today, because of the corporate contributions of developer time.

#10 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Attention Dual/Multi-booters: Latest GRUB (2.06-2) disables os-prober » 2021-11-29 12:22:16 … figuration

It is disabled by default since automatic and silent execution of os-prober, and creating boot entries based on that data, is a potential attack vector.

#11 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-11-26 17:15:41

zapper wrote:

Actually, Hyperbola devs don't trust adding rust for this reason:

As an aside:

"Open washing"  advances...

zapper wrote:

That being said, Hyperbola devs are in a bit of a pickle, because of palemoon devs going balisitic over some users not following their trademarks which resulted in a cascade of people removing their commits from uxp. So, unless that rust issue is fixed, or someone makes a build of firefox that doesn't require dbus to run, then alas, you will have to use a VM to do that stuff... ;(

Sadly, that's become what this situation has been reduced to.  Thank the palemoon devs for being a bunch of absolute morons. 

I was wrong about Palemoon devs being any good it begins to seem...

As I said around a year ago (?), there is little difference between that project's attitude with regards to trademarks and mozilla's, except mozilla have better people skills.

As I also said around the same time - all browsers are shit, along with the WWW itself.  My philosophy is simple: I pick the best of a bad lot, then configure it to my needs.  what I avoid doing is going "window shopping" for browser forks, where there are all kinds of claims and boasts and it really amounts to little more than customisations you could do yourself and a fancy logo and different name...

At the moment, though chromium is more secure, telemetry/harvesting of data and privacy is a bigger issue there, so I use firefox - even though I dislike many things they have done recently.

#12 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-11-18 13:50:56

andyprough wrote:

And you would be 100% incorrect in that assessment. [...] Hyperbola BSD is a different beast altogether which is only in the planning stages, and which you will not see for several years.

Hyperbola BSD was what I was referring to.  If you read the links I posted, you'll see that:

* The intent is to abandon the Linux kernel. See the interview with the developer.
* HyperbolaBSD is new name of the project, to be based on the OpenBSD kernel (refer again to the interview)
* As hevidevi menioned, an Alpha was supposed to be out by now.(refer to the itsfoss interview)

We expect to have an alpha release ready by 2021 (Q3) for initial testing.

* HyperbolaBSD git repositories have seen little to no activity, Hyperbola repositories aren't that active either.  I provided the link to the git repository, so you can check for yourself.  In terms of HyperbolaBSD, from the git repo, it looks like they are about as far away as you can imagine from an Alpha release - with only two commits 5 months ago and nothing since.

There has also been no news posted on the website since February 2020.

Last post in the "development" forum back in May:

(Which consists of a lot of chat and not a lot else.)

andyprough wrote:

It's the kernel which makes it Linux or BSD, you see.

That's not quite correct.  There are four distinct BSD derived OS.  Those OS use a different kernel and userland - each is a complete OS, rather than just a kernel.  So if you port the kernel from any of those projects to the "userland" of a different OS, you actually have a "GNU/someBSDkernel" operating system.

andyprough wrote:

Oddly, Hyperbola and Devuan are both seeing a high amount of development activity. Never got the message that their projects are supposed to be long dead by now.

I'm not seeing that kind of activity in the git repository.

If PC-BSD, TrueOS, "Project Trident", etc is anything to go by, I wouldn't count on the Lumina Desktop being around for much longer either...

#13 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2021-11-17 10:43:00

This was the "Hyperbola BSD" people.  Development seems to have stalled:

Seems like a lot of obsessive, compulsive de-blobbing and tokenism and not a lot else...

Some insights here:

The non-free firmware blobs in OpenBSD include various hardware firmwares.


These blobs may contain vulnerabilities or backdoors in addition to violating your freedom, but no one would know since the source code is not available for them. They must be removed to respect user freedom.

I read it up until that point and then lost interest.  The same unfounded idealogical ranting, almost taken word for word from Stallmanist literature...

#14 Re: Off-topic » Troll appreciation thread » 2021-09-28 17:10:18

headstick will be nursing a semi reading this....

#16 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-18 11:49:59

UEFI is the Trojan Horse, Secureboot is the Trojan inside, the "payload" if you will. If I can boot my chosen OS using CSM, and it boots normally then I am not convinced of the benefits of UEFI.   UEFI features such as GPT, are possible with a PMBR.  So if an OS does not support GPT with a legacy BIOS, that's a business decision they are making, not a technical one. If you search the web for the advantages of UEFI, you will find a lot of hot air about a GUI using a mouse and of course "security". That latter claim is insane, as UEFI increases attack surfaces and introduces vectors which weren't there in legacy BIOS. For example: remote management / networked capability....

#17 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-16 07:14:51

While I admire your ideals zapper, I think you may underestimate the power of money and "Big Tech" in particular. While RISC-V certainly has a lot going for it, as with Raspberry Pi and indeed Linux, it's a relative unknown and if it were ever to become a threat to Microsoft's or Intel's or AMD's or .... market share, it would be snuffed out. Linux in particular, never became a threat to the Windows desktop, that was perceived by some in the early 2000s.

There is also the argument that open hardware would stifle innovation.  If you develop something for profit, and a competitive edge but then are not allowed to keep that as a trade secret, then why bother? I would say it's feasible, but would require a radical rethink on patents, licensing and how hardware vendors do business. As you say "not in our future".

At this moment in time, it looks like it will get a lot worse before it can get any better.

The root of of this evil is unfettered, bottomless greed and a super rich elite controlling 99% of the worlds wealth. Solve that and we can talk about details such as open hardware .

#18 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-13 17:15:31

No not OpenBSD's thinking, the actual definition which goes back more than a few decades:

I don't place much faith in belief systems surrounding GNU/FSF.  Device firmware is just a fact of life  - some implementations are acceptable others are bad, some more are utter crap. But unless you have the money and resources to develop your own hardware, we're stuck with x86.  I think that situation is positively win, win for Microsoft.  Linux and 'BSD users stranded on old hardware, while it continues this latest "embrace" phase.

While we're talking "beliefs" I have the firm conviction that the new Microsoft is far more dangerous to free software than the old.

MS have been working on WSL/WSL2, Azure, etc for many years. All of those products are about /not/ running a Linux OS on bare metal but on proprietary software owned ad controlled by Microsoft. Its takeover of the github platform and other acquisitions are all part of the same strategy.

Hardware is "intellectual property". To maintain a competitive advantage there are "trade secrets". The hardware you use was developed by corporations who seek to profit from it

"All rights reserved" refers to copyright - it has nothing to do with software licensing.

The MIT license would not stop e.g. Intel from taking Nvidia's code, which they have spent billions and decades of research on, and just incorporating it in their own products - decreasing Nvidia's advantage in that market and share value. tl;dr - they won't do that.

#19 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-12 17:07:17

BLOBs are not the same as device firmware. The latter is part of most devices, either residing the device's NVRAM or as a firmware image which is loaded via the device driver/firmware loader.

Far from being unnecessary, they are actually the device's own OS.  In that they are code which runs on the device itself and not any kind of x86 OS binary.

Some firmware is "open source", some is proprietary.  Despite contributing driver code the Linux graphics stack, Intel and AMD graphics tech is every bit as proprietary as Nvidia - with closed source firmware and hardware. They won't release  code which could threaten their commercial interests.

Camtaf, you're correct in that modern CPU's actually use a firmware layer called microcode, which runs on the "hardwired" CPU. Microcode makes it possible, well most of time, for the vendor to "patch" the CPU. There are also "out of band" processors running on modern CPU's, running a small OS - e.g.  the Intel Management Engine.

The IME has been deliberately designed to prevent the end user disabling it.  Along with UEFI and Secureboot, all of this tech equates to less freedom, privacy and security for end users.

As headstick has said, raspberry pi and its Broadcom chips, is no escape - neither is in fact ARM, if/when Nvidia buy them out.

The raspberry pi people already made their intentions plain in the PR disaster regarding the vscode Microsoft repository. But if you're already in bed with Broadcom, signed NDAs and developing devices loaded with proprietary firmware, courting Microsoft is not such a big deal.

#20 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-09 17:19:08

Secureboot is not a security feature.

I've warned about Secureboot and UEFI for years. That it was essentially a ploy by Microsoft to have greater control over the OS that's installed on the x86 platform which it effectively controls.

MS left it up to OEMs to decide on whether they allow secureboot to be disabled. But MS also has an undisclosed deal with the OEMs. Part of that deal is exclusivity for MS Windows.

#21 Re: Off-topic » Presentation of LinuC » 2021-07-08 17:06:17

This site will always attract nutters - that's just inevitable.

July 7, 2021
On July 7th, 2021 the LinuC website was attacked by Devuan hackers! The attackers announced it in their forum, with a matching time stamp of the attack! You can see the hate speech in the following link, people are very busy with themselves:

#22 Re: Off-topic » What will happen to Windows? » 2021-06-17 16:48:41

JSM wrote:

And I'm not a software developer either, as you can read on LinuC. But I'll try to motivate some good people.

I see...

It seems you want others to construct your pet project Linux distribution thing for you?  Are you going to motivate these "good" people with monetary remuneration for their efforts?  Or do you expect them to work for free ?

As I first suspected - this is vapourware - in fact it hardly qualifies as that...  as that term usually applies to those with the skills but who lack either the time or the will...

#23 Re: Off-topic » What will happen to Windows? » 2021-06-17 07:13:32

I think there's a huge difference between design philosophies of any given software project - and people who's involvement or usage of,  any given project is only as a means of a platform for pushing their ideology/beliefs/worldview/political agenda on others.

#24 Re: Off-topic » What will happen to Windows? » 2021-06-16 16:42:48

"Project management" eh?

Against ideology?

"Praised be Jesus Christ!" is the only content on your website.

I think you should stop now.

#25 Re: Off-topic » What will happen to Windows? » 2021-06-15 16:46:24

That's trading Intel or AMD,  closed source firmware, etc - for Broadcom, more closed source firmwares and the company who famously stated that they had taken the decision to "trust Microsoft", when they included an MS repository in their OS.

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