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#2 Re: Packaging for Devuan » unable to run photoqt » Today 07:34:37

Run it from a terminal emulator and post the output?

#3 Re: Forum Feedback » Please consider not using stopforumspam » 2026-06-11 08:03:09

Back in the day, I used to look up obvious spammers who had not yet edited in their links on stopforumspam's db and if I got both an email address and IP address hit I would ban both and delete the account. Never ran it server side. It could be quite labour intensive. Some sites simply get indundated, to the point where you need a few dedicated volunteers, those people eventually get bored or burn out and move on. And now there are"AI" scrapers, making sites unusable also.

Times have changed. A lot of people use VPNs for very valid reasons these days, there are also dynamic IP addresss as it is, so automatically banning using SFS is admittedly a bit brutal. I'm not altogether sure the level of traffic here warrants it, but it's up to those running the site. Usually these kind of countermeasures have some kind of message, informing the blocked user and providing some means of making contact? Is that the case here?

It's one of those problems which won"t go away - they use disposable email addresses, so banning only on email address is ineffective. VPN use also means banning IPs is also of little use.

The problem is the modern web - it's become a cesspool. Years ago, Tor and similar software, seemed like ideal solutions for privacy - then nearly every site you visit blocks you and after cycling through exit nodes for a time, most will give up.

So it's not actually stopforumsspam or this site's fault - it's the fault of the people/corporations who have collectively transformed the web into 99% shit.

#4 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-10 20:41:52

coder-hase, you started out with a put down, followed by a wall of meaningless babble, most of which falls into tl;dr territory. What I can discern is that you haven't understood my post at all. Not interested.

#5 Re: Installation » Firefox lags and sometimes freezes completely on Devuan 6 » 2026-06-09 08:18:55

That's more of a workaround. That error is amdgpu driver related. So the first step should be to compile a newer kernel to see if this has been fixed. There are usually newer kernels in backports, so if you don't want to compile your own, install the latest, reboot and test.

#6 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-09 07:50:41

Service supervision is "real world" crap which enterprise demands. There's a reason why BSD projects don't include it in the base system - the philosophy was always "write your programs correctly, so that they don't crash". Unfortunately people code up stuff that is "good enough". This is because Big Tech don't pay people to sit around fixing bugs or refactoring code.

As an example, enterprise also demands "LTS" Linux kernels - predictable failure - which are no benefit at all to the typical desktop user, which are buggy and only include back ported security parches. You could be fighting with and working around a wifi or display driver problem, for example, that was fixed in the next kernel release, but your distribution of choice went down the "LTS" route - using a kernel intended for the likes of Red Hat. There is "choice" many will say, but unfortunately a good proprtion are quite simply unaware or misinformed.

#7 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-08 18:54:22

One of the "selling points" often parrotted by systemd fanbois was boot times. I was often told how fast it boots up, and I usually responded with words to the effect that actually it shuts down very quickly. You would gain more from just switching from a hard disk to an SSD if you cared that much about boot time.

All the talk of service supervision and boot times is just a "race to the bottom" against systemd. Stability, simplicity,code correctness, robustness and reliability are worth pursuing. Boot performance and a functionality to babysit and restart equally unreliable crap is not.

#8 Re: Installation » Firefox lags and sometimes freezes completely on Devuan 6 » 2026-06-08 17:23:21

That's a lot of workarounds. It could be graphics stack / acceleration related. In such cases I would normally install a newer kernel from backports and see if that resolves it.

Also you will need the "non-free" drm firmware installed for Intel or AMD GPUs - that's the first step.

#9 Re: Devuan » Why not use runit? Do you guys use runit? » 2026-06-08 17:14:25

I have never needed to use runit or any other alternatives such as OpenRC. Technically both look pretty well designed to me, but the need has never arisen. At home I have always stuck to sysvinit or BSD init. At work I have had to use systemd and write unit files for anything running as a daemon. (would be nice to use one of those there, but it's not worth the trouble).

Personally I think the increased adoption of runit and OpenRC was driven by systemd's anti sysvinit propaganda. Some willingly swallowed this with the added "...but systemd is not the answer" clause. Others utilised it as a means of distancing themselves from the critique being directed at sysvinit in order to undermine it and establish systemd as the de facto standard. Those people who jumped ship and dumped on sysvinit did a lot of the damage in my opinion - they did the devil's work, by word for word repeating sysvinit's supposed deficiencies.  Apparently vindicating the systemd cabal in the process.

The harsh reality is that if you're just a desktop user, and not a server admin, you may see no benefits from something like runit, where the main focus is service supervision, except for perhaps slightly faster boot times.

#10 Re: Off-topic » low end gaming on linux » 2026-06-02 17:20:07

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/argument_n?tl=true

"I.1.a.a1325–An assertion or fact put forward in order to persuade or sway others; a reason advanced in support of (or in opposition to) a proposition; the assertion or point of view for which a person is arguing."

Though the poor argumentation began when you dismissed steve_v as a steam fanboy.

#11 Re: Off-topic » word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd » 2026-05-24 19:06:15

Flatpak is Flatpack, but if you leave the c out it's way cooler and the fanbois love that...

#12 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Unknown file » 2026-05-21 16:03:06

Possibly something you have accidentally redirected to a file while running commands as root, due to a syntax error. perhaps.

/root is the root user's home directory. No packages would install in that location. Open it in a text editor
and have a look?

#13 Re: Devuan » Will Wayland on Gnome etc. work on Devuan 6 in the future release? » 2026-05-21 15:56:01

gnome is a lost cause. I recently installed it in a Debian 13 system and it's truly a GUI designed by people who view their users as total idiots. It's developed from a proprietary mindset and is systemd focused, only a masochist would waste time trying to get it working on a systemd-less Linux distribution - bearing in mind that the upstream are constantly working against you.

#14 Re: Devuan » Will Wayland on Gnome etc. work on Devuan 6 in the future release? » 2026-05-21 08:23:08

The gnome project have made it clear that they only care about Linux based OS with systemd installed, so don't get your hopes up.

#15 Re: Other Issues » Getting 403 forbidden from wiki.debian.org? » 2026-05-20 17:13:07

The FreeBSD wiki has the same kind of countermeasures. The problem is "AI" scrapers. The maintainers of these pages want to keep AI agents out, to maintain acceptable performance.

https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/what … ost-727321

#16 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-05-03 17:26:11

I post here seldom... when I do post, you emerge from the woodwork...

At least your assessment of "socialist politics" was near the mark, but it's laughable that you believe that "left wing" politicians are somehow behind age verification laws in the US. The US where there is no left wing...

The billionaires in Big Tech, such as Meta lobbied for this. The capitalists you adore are behind this, all the time deflecting, leveraging the media companies they control. Meta made a tactical move, to offload the age verification which is costing them billlions, to the platform vendor / OS level. There's nothing "socialist" about that, it's what you"re supposef to believe and it's what you readily lap up.

#17 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-05-03 13:36:19

Historically, the oppressor, the despot, the tyrant, the dictatorship of the elites, has only ever been brought down by armed struggle. That hasn't changed. What has changed is how they remain in power under the illusion of democracy. While the proletariat sit by and do nothing, the ruling classes will continue to exploit them and grind them under foot. It won't happen in my lifetime, but eventually they will see the super rich, megalomaniac, psychopaths and perverts who rule over us for what they really are and it will explode. Hopefully in these times of doublespeak and hypocrisy, unjust wars and double standards, they are just beginning to awaken.

#18 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » GTK2 Revival thread » 2026-04-30 07:32:39

Devuan Users Forum

So, history often repeats itself...

#19 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] DEVELOPERS: Please repackage Devuan to install with secure boot on » 2026-04-23 13:59:49

To elaborate: Windows 11 only requires that a PC be secureboot capable, it doesn't have to enabled:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/win … 3abef64fad

#21 Re: Other Issues » T480 suspend issues on devuan's current stable » 2026-04-22 16:23:05

We're all 100% stumped too.

Assuming you have already searched and researched, I suggest asking the libreboot people if there are any known issues with suspend on that model?

#22 Re: Off-topic » ArchWiki Deletes XLibre Page, Says 'Violates Arch Code of Conduct' » 2026-04-18 09:48:19

It's very clear from the deleted page:

The Xlibre project goes against https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-o … t/#respect and should not be listed on ArchWiki.

This is not any objection to the page itself. This is the action of an individual or individuals associated with Arch Linux who has deemed that the Xlibre project itself, "goes against" that particular section of their code of conduct. As a result that page has been deleted, but also they are disassociating themselves.

Maligning other FOSS projects or distributions, or any other operating systems and their users is prohibited.

Except for projects they wish to exclude and diminish, mainly through censorship.

#24 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-25 16:17:10

I see nothing to suggest that Amutable are an "age verification agency".  I believe it goes far deeper than that.

#25 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-25 09:18:06

It's a slippery slope. Aside from embedded, systemd/Linux is the only Linux the corporate world cares about. Everyone who wants to avoid this will be compiling their own OS and building their own computer (becoming their own "vendor"), so this is once again, a "dragnet" tactic, which will gather up the vast majority of easy targets and force them into compliance. Corporate mouthpieces in Canonical, Debian and IBM/ Red Hat will spin it to the masses as a good thing, nothing new there.

I have a suspicion that age verification will begin in systemd, then there will be the usual push from the systemd crowd for key parts of it to be moved into the kernel.

Poettering and some other ex Microsofters recently started a new company "Amutable" - I'm not yet clear as to what Amutable will produce - i.e. what is the product, as the website if full of meaningless corpo speak babble - also not clear who is funding it all...

"We are building cryptographically verifiable integrity into Linux systems. Every system starts in a verified state and stays trusted over time."

Amutable looks to be yet another Microsoft proxy (similar to Xamarin). I.e. it's a group working on something which is better to be seen as not being a Microsoft project. That tells you everything you need to know.

Let's see if, ultimately technologies like secureboot and TPM are leveraged - then it will all become clear what this is about.

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