how start ntp?

deepforest · 2026-02-02 20:17:52

steve_v you are tru geek!

2: I compile software on it, and why not. More RAM more better.

Because Gentoo is awesome. If you want your OS to be your OS, there's no substitute. Think of it less as a distro, and more a collection of tools to build your own distro.

Understood now for what you need so many ram.
But Gentoo is source based and if i am right understand most part software needs compilation, and for fast compilation needs fast CPU and lot of ram?

The first is a storage(~64TB)

Huge! Its all hdd? What brand of manufactur of hdd are you prefer?

after Slackware

why you stop use it?

ps yours IT knowledge related with your job or IT is your hobby?

steve_v · 2026-02-03 06:01:50

Gentoo is source based and if i am right understand most part software needs compilation

Historically it was entirely source-based. Now there are binary packages available for common profiles, so if you don't customise your use flags (compile-time features etc.) you needn't compile anything.
Personally I think that kinda defeats the point... But then again the line is something like "here tools, do whatever you like", so I guess a binary Gentoo install is as reasonable as any other.

fast compilation needs fast CPU and lot of ram

"Fast" is a matter of interpretation and patience. It tends to be a few packages (particularly web browsers) that take the the bulk of the time, if you use binary packages for those Gentoo is quite manageable even on fairly modest hardware. You can also use a build-host or distcc to offload work, e.g. have a fast desktop or server build updates for a slower laptop.

Its all hdd?

8 mechanical drives in the main raidz6 pool, plus 10 SSDs of various sizes in a couple of raid10 arrays. 64TB is really an approximation, it's considerably more than that in raw disk, and slightly less in "usable" space once you account for redundancy, overhead, and filesystem slop allowances.

What brand of manufactur of hdd are you prefer?

Seagate ironwolf at the moment, but I've had WD drives in the past. That ZFS pool has been around a while now and I tend to replace drives gradually with whatever is the most reasonable price/capacity/reliability balance at the time, I consider researching specific models more relevant than brand-loyalty.

why you stop use it?

Lack of granular package management and dependency resolution. Packages are essentially just tarballs and as close to upstream as possible, it's up to the user to track dependencies or rebuild them if they want a different feature set (e.g. not all of KDE as one package). There are addons (e.g. slapt-get), but AFAIK the base distro is still that way to this day.
I am still "using" Slackware, in a manner of speaking... Slackware 7.0 on a "vintage" AMD K6-2 machine, much like I did back in '99 .

IT knowledge related with your job or IT is your hobby

It's tangentially related to my job, but "hobby", if you call it that, came first. Really I just like to understand the things I use - that's as true for cars and dishwashers as it is for computers. If I can't take it apart and screw around with it, it's not worth having.

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deepforest · 2026-02-03 15:20:56

Because Gentoo is awesome. If you want your OS to be your OS, there's no substitute. Think of it less as a distro, and more a collection of tools to build your own distro.

Can you give practical example of that? Case where's Gentoo have superiority over others binary distros?
Why at main desktop pc you use Intel cpu but not Ryzen?
Why Gentoo have no installer like Debian/Devuan, intallation at Gentoo handbook looks very complex for me

steve_v · Yesterday 07:31:28

Can you give practical example of that? Case where's Gentoo have superiority over others binary distros?

One example? Probably not, portage touches everything.
In general, you can enable or disable features or use software combinations that require setup at compile time. One can, for example, run a system without udev or dbus, or build the whole OS with clang instead of GCC, or use musl rather than glibc as the system C library, or build binaries that run only on $shiny-new-cpu using every possible optimisation.
Usually that kind of thing means a whole separate specialised distro, with Gentoo it's just user choice and some mucking about in config files.

Probably the most relevant (to devuan) example is systemd - there are many packages that require you to enable or disable systemd integration at compile time (or apply patches to remove it), so binary distros have to either choose one or the other for everyone (i.e. debian/devuan split), or maintain multiple versions of packages, complex dependency chains, or distribution "flavours" (which nobody can be bothered doing).

In Gentoo you just set a 'systemd' or 'openrc' system-wide USE flag (or better, select a profile that does that for you), and everything that can integrate with your chosen init will be built to do so, dependencies will be suggested to provide missing features, etc.
That's a big part of why Gentoo supports multiple init systems as "first-class citizens", and almost everything (including GNOME, for the most part) just works(tm).

Instead of "suggests", "recommends", zillions of split packages, and a bunch of removing optional junk after install, you set USE flags to define which features you want and the needed dependencies are pulled in to enable them.

Portage also makes patching software locally dead-easy. Instead of buggering about with quilt, debhelper, and doG knows what else to change and rebuild a package, you just drop your patch in /etc/portage/patches/[package name]/ and emerge applies it for you.

Why at main desktop pc you use Intel cpu but not Ryzen?

It offered better performance at the time, and ryzen had random motherboard/bios compatibility problems I didn't want to deal with.

Why Gentoo have no installer

It does, the installer is you.
More seriously, there are too many possible ways to build a gentoo system for an installer to be very useful, and it's not worth the development effort for something you probably only do once.

Gentoo handbook looks very complex

It's no worse than Archlinux, and plenty of people figure that out.

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ralph.ronnquist · Yesterday 07:38:14

I'm sure Gentoo and Arch both have their forum. Maybe your could move to there?

steve_v · Yesterday 07:46:43

Why, is there something more interesting happening here? Golinux gets to rant on about the follies of youth and the doom of humanity in random threads, this diversion is at least technical and GNU/Linux related.
deepforest asked questions, I answered. That's all.

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