I seem to crash when I go to a certain website...

ralph.ronnquist · 2025-07-24 22:43:34

Yea we tried blocking IP addresses, but we stopped at some 50000 addresses blocked (60% ipv4 and 40% ipv6. A lot of effort and not effective.

Anyone with a viable solution may contribute. All else is just childish noise.

greenjeans · 2025-07-24 23:02:52

My spidey-sense is tingling. I understand the ai scrapers and web crawlers, but when it comes to DDOS that seems like an attack or are we overstating the issue using that term?

Because a ddos on a linux git site, one that's NOT in bed with microshit, redcrap, and angry kiddie land (gnomers), seems suspicious.

tux_99 · 2025-07-24 23:27:20

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

Yea we tried blocking IP addresses, but we stopped at some 50000 addresses blocked

Well of course it didn't work for you if you only blocked 50k addresses... a single /16 is already 65536 addresses, so 50k is chicken feed...

Anyone with a viable solution may contribute. All else is just childish noise.

No problem, I'll keep my "childish noise" that works great for my websites to myself...

greenjeans wrote:

but when it comes to DDOS that seems like an attack or are we overstating the issue using that term?

Yeah it's not an intentional DDOS attack, but the practical effect of all these rouge bots scraping all they can get can be like a DDOS.

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golinux · 2025-07-25 00:22:43

@tux_99 . . . You've been here for a little over a month and we are just getting to know you and you, us. Perhaps you might want to rethink the use of flippant, sarcastic comments towards individuals until you get to know more about Devuan's history and also those of us who have nurtured this distribution for over a decade. Just sayin' . . .

tux_99 · 2025-07-25 00:51:04

@golinux what kind of reply do you expect when someone calls an offer to help "childish noise"?
That comment from ralph.ronnquist came across as very arrogant, so the tone of my reply should not seem surprising.

I don't want to force myself on anyone, if my help is not wanted that's perfectly fine for me, but that can be said politely rather than arrogantly dismissing it as "childish noise", don't you think so?

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golinux · 2025-07-25 01:18:45

@tux_99 . . . I don't disagree with you assessment of the ethos of the "offensive" comment. But I also defend the validity of my assessment. Since you arrived I was hoping you might find a niche other than posting on the forum. Too many talkers and not enough doers will not stem the assault coming from Debian et all . . .

ralph.ronnquist · 2025-07-25 01:32:06

Yes, @tux_99, I read your post too hastily, and I thank you for your suggestion. My note about childish noise obviously doesn't apply to your offer.

The Devuan git store has had address block blocks a long time, and it does work to some extent. But as you would know, it's a method that requires constant monitoring and tuning, and that one can accept longish periods of seriously degraded service.

pcalvert · 2025-07-25 03:45:08

This type of approach may be helpful:

Protect Your Site with a Blackhole for Bad Bots
https://perishablepress.com/blackhole-bad-bots/

One potential downside to this approach is that the IP address block list will likely grow, over time, to be very large. One solution to this problem is to periodically prune the list by removing the oldest IP addresses, or have them automatically expire after a certain period of time.

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · 2025-07-25 08:48:11

@all

please see both the article as well as the comments:

https://www.techdirt.com/2025/07/14/tackling-the-ai-bots-that-threaten-to-overwhelm-the-open-web/

Proxies for Bots / Global Proxy Networks
do a quick search for “proxies for bots” and a hypothesis develops where hundreds of millions of individual consumers/users get “free” internet access simply for willingly being an active part of a global proxy network. not sure how cloudflare or anyone will be able to distinguish quasi-random proxy-networks from naturally occurring web traffic. definitely a race to the bottom nevertheless.

would expect to see more of these types of apps:
https://geekflare.com/consumer-tech/apps-to-sell-internet-data-and-earn-money/

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