Show your desktop (rebooted)

golinux · 2022-12-29 19:55:25

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Yes, I was surprised not to find a 1920x1054 wallpaper option
But seriously, 1080p is probably the most common resolution for laptops so it would be nice to see wallpapers of that size.

Yeah . . . I wasn't thinking when I responded because the 1080p is making its debut in Daedalus (thanks to Lars Nooden). I never did one because I have never had a laptop (or other mobile device) to test. You are still on the chimaera theme because the daedalus/sapphire theme has not yet been integrated into desktop-base. But never fear! You can find pieces of the entire theme HERE. Maybe you'll want to give it a spin?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2022-12-29 20:06:26

Yup, looks good:

golinux · 2022-12-29 20:14:01

Hey . . . thanks for doing that! I might just add it to the daedalus theme thread . . .

aluma · 2022-12-30 08:43:38

devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview_20221022_amd64_desktop-live.iso - having non-free video card drivers is a big boon!
Unlike exegnu64_chimaera-20220306.iso with 640x480 resolution out of the box.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2022-12-30 13:23:17

aluma wrote:

devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview_20221022_amd64_desktop-live.iso - having non-free video card drivers is a big boon!

The ISO doesn't contain any non-free drivers at all. It does have the non-free firmware though.

Driver != Firmware

aluma · 2022-12-30 16:53:11

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

aluma wrote:
devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview_20221022_amd64_desktop-live.iso - having non-free video card drivers is a big boon!
The ISO doesn't contain any non-free drivers at all. It does have the non-free firmware though.
Driver != Firmware

Thank you.
Yes, of course you are right.
Firmware-amd-graphics_*** package, etc.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-01 17:50:59

EXE GNU/Linux with the Trinity desktop (in QEMU):

Note properly disabled cups service (this is immediately after a reboot).

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2023-01-01 17:51:46)

aluma · 2023-01-02 12:39:01

Yes, in today's implementation of sysvinit, this is a working way.
Unfortunately, it does not match the original, where each level is isolated and has only its own launch set.
From the user's point of view, perhaps the most convenient GUI for running services on PClinuxos, is simply a single column listing without any division into levels.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-02 12:49:28

It's a little bit different in Debian because traditionally run levels 2-5 are identical, unlike in other distributions (and even in some Debian derivatives) which use 3 for a console login and 5 for a graphical session.

Anyway I hate run levels, they're so limited. Targets ftw!

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-14 12:24:40

Testing the "bloat" for various distributions: installed Xfce/LightDM in QEMU/KVM for each then measured disk usage with df -h / and memory usage with ps_mem (1GiB of RAM assigned to each VM)...

Arch:

2.7GiB of disk space used and ~371MiB of RAM used.

Devuan chimaera:

3.7GiB of disk space used and ~386MiB of RAM used.

Alpine:

1.1GiB of disk space used and ~221MiB of RAM used.

And that's a clear win for Alpine. Musl libc rocks!

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aluma · 2023-01-14 18:31:33

Exe GNU/Linux - 189 MiB.

At the same time, this is a full-fledged DE with a complete set of GUIs.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-14 18:34:16

So what happens if you install Xfce & LightDM in Exe? Is the memory usage lower than Alpine then?

I can't be bothered finding the scrot but I've had Alpine at ~30MiB used with a dwm desktop

EDIT: it's those apples & oranges again

The whole point of my comparison is that all 3 distributions are using the same desktop. Of course TDE is "lighter" than Xfce, it's ancient FFS. I'm sure if I packaged up TDE for Alpine it would blow Exe out of the water in respect of resource usage.

I find it very confusing that all the people who complain about systemd being guilty of feature creep and needless bloat have no problem at all using GNU's libc version. GNU virtually invented feature creep and needless bloat. All that wittering about the "UNIX philosophy" makes me wonder if those people even know what "GNU" stands for...

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aluma · 2023-01-14 19:06:02

Xfce cannot be considered a full-fledged DE, there are no solitaires in it!
But seriously, Devuan's merit is more here, openSuse 15.4 eats more than 400 MiB of memory.

P.S.The number for Exe GNU/Linux the default, with a standard kernel.
No fruits!

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-20 19:55:45

Work in progress

(foot is the name of the terminal)

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2023-01-20 21:23:39)

andyprough · 2023-01-21 00:10:11

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

(foot is the name of the terminal)

Someone needs to make an ARM version of foot.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-21 11:26:41

^ I'm not sure about that, sounds like it would be expensive...

Jokes aside, foot is the best Wayland-native terminal emulator by far — a similar memory footprint as xterm but faster and with the best font rendering of any terminal, Wayland or X.

EDIT:

$ fc-match mono
JetBrains Mono Regular Nerd Font Complete.ttf: "JetBrainsMono Nerd Font" "Regular"
$

Trendy.

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2023-01-21 11:28:09)

andyprough · 2023-01-21 14:39:25

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ I'm not sure about that, sounds like it would be expensive...

Not really. Expensive would be an ARM and a leg. This is just an ARM and a foot.

Looks lovely. Someone should get it running on a proper distro that doesn't use microsoft-init.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-21 14:49:19

andyprough wrote:

microsoft-init.

systemd is actually an open-source clone of Mac's launchd. It pains me greatly to admit this. I hate Macs *much* more than Windows.

andyprough · 2023-01-21 15:06:59

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

andyprough wrote:
microsoft-init.
systemd is actually an open-source clone of Mac's launchd. It pains me greatly to admit this. I hate Macs *much* more than Windows.

Good point. From now on I will refer to it as jobs.gates-init. Got to give old Bill some amount of credit for paying all of Lennart's pub tabs.

trinidad · 2023-01-21 15:48:00

It pains me greatly to admit this. I hate Macs *much* more than Windows.

Doesn't pain me at all. I hate all Apple products these days and Apple corporate (communist, consumer, I'm entitled, dumb as a box of rocks but I like to pretend I'm not, confidence scam digital eco-system). Sadly people are better off with Windows, unless you just want a phone for selfies and dirty videos.

TC

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-21 20:06:31

Okay folks, behold the magnificence:

Debian bookworm running openbox with finit as PID1

Can't get sway running though and I have to use the "legacy" version of X (setuid, ugh) because elogind won't run for some reason.

EDIT: this is booting with SecureBoot enabled using EFI_STUB with a unified kernel image signed with my own keys. Bootloaders are for wimps!

EDIT2: just purged xserver-xorg-legacy and it all still works:

$ ps -C Xorg -o user=
empty
$

Nice.

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2023-01-21 21:18:20)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-21 23:11:31

andyprough wrote:

Looks lovely. Someone should get it running on a proper distro that doesn't use microsoft-init.

As requested:

\o/

andyprough · 2023-01-22 00:08:14

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

As requested:
\o/

Wow!!! I know you aren't one to write down all your steps. But you should really write down all your steps, so some of the rest of us can try this. Maybe start a new thread?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2023-01-22 11:23:05

I just installed the system with debootstrap then added a kernel & finit-sysv, along with openbox, tint2, xorg, etc. I had to add my user to the video, audio & input groups to get things working without a login session and add the wireless configuration to /etc/rc.local. No need for a separate thread, it was pretty simple.

To get sway working I needed to start dbus and seatd. That's it.

Nili · 2023-01-24 10:42:06

I'm enjoying Plasma, already a few months with it.

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