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#1 2021-10-10 13:12:11

hevidevi
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ssd failure

Had a ssd die on me today, a crucial 240GB.

Not sure why, it died when i was downloading an iso via uget-gtk downloader, i had put the connections to 7 for simultaneous connections and was getting some really fast speeds like 200 MB per second which may be too fast, so all i can think of is that my ssd could not handle the writes or piping or something, maybe it was just on it way out though, only a year old though. Got the input/output error as soon as the uget-gtk program crashed.

The disk completely disappeared, just does not show up in the bios so im pretty certain its kaput.

I had backups so all good.

Anyone ever had this happen?

Last edited by hevidevi (2021-10-10 13:14:14)

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#2 2021-10-10 13:59:10

durham
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Re: ssd failure

I've heard tales of exactly as it happened to you: sudden complete failure without warning. As I am running on a SSD, this also worries me.

Did you run with discards on or, if using LVM run fstrim every once in a while (say, once a week)?


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#3 2021-10-10 14:15:27

hevidevi
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Re: ssd failure

durham wrote:

I've heard tales of exactly as it happened to you: sudden complete failure without warning. As I am running on a SSD, this also worries me.

Did you run with discards on or, if using LVM run fstrim every once in a while (say, once a week)?

No i did not use discards on, only noatime for kernel parameters. Not using lvm either, just plain old ext4 encrypted root.

I was of the opinion that the wiki was right in saying this in regards to the discard option.

https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization

The "discard" options is not needed if your SSD has enough overprovisioning (spare space) or you leave (unpartitioned) free space on the SSD.

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#4 2021-10-11 03:45:43

steve_v
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Re: ssd failure

hevidevi wrote:

Anyone ever had this happen?

Yup, and it was a Crucial as well. Overheated and died under a sustained write workload despite being in a fan-cooled drive cage that didn't exceed 25C ambient.


Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.

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#5 2021-10-11 10:58:52

hevidevi
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Re: ssd failure

steve_v wrote:
hevidevi wrote:

Anyone ever had this happen?

Yup, and it was a Crucial as well. Overheated and died under a sustained write workload despite being in a fan-cooled drive cage that didn't exceed 25C ambient.

Well that sucks.

I will have to keep an eye on the ssd temperature on the next one i buy. Im currently using an old spin drive that is about 8 year old so that will probably pack it in soon too. But atleast i got 8 years out of it not 1.

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#6 2021-10-12 04:46:10

steve_v
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Re: ssd failure

hevidevi wrote:

I will have to keep an eye on the ssd temperature on the next one i buy.

To be fair, it was one of the budget BX series. They're cheap for a reason and the specs are mostly lies.
I already had a good rant about them here, so I won't repeat it.


Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.

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#7 2021-10-12 09:19:07

hevidevi
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Re: ssd failure

steve_v wrote:
hevidevi wrote:

I will have to keep an eye on the ssd temperature on the next one i buy.

To be fair, it was one of the budget BX series. They're cheap for a reason and the specs are mostly lies.
I already had a good rant about them here, so I won't repeat it.

Yeah mine was the same series as well. Might pay to spend a bit more next time, any recommendations? Im thinking possibly WD or maybe Samsung.

Ive got a gigabyte ssd in my laptop but im pretty certain that is about the same quality of crucial as it was just as cheap, i think i paid around $50 for both drives.

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#8 2021-10-12 10:14:35

steve_v
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Re: ssd failure

hevidevi wrote:

any recommendations? Im thinking possibly WD or maybe Samsung.

I'm running 5 samsungs, 4 kingstons, 2 intels, an ancient OCZ, and a couple of random (micron OEMs IIRC) drives in various applications ATM, and I haven't had any problems with any of them... Besides a couple of the kingstons griping about being out of write endurance, but then they've been doing that for about 6 months now and they're still working fine.
That's a very small sample size of course, but the samsungs and kingstons regularly get the same kind of thrashing that killed those crucial drives, and they don't even blink.

I don't know anything about WD SSDs since I've never owned one, and as far as Gigabyte goes... TBH I'm pretty biased there. I've considered anything Gigabyte to be pure refuse since about 2004, and I don't know if quality has improved in the intervening years because I haven't bought from them since.

If I had to pick, I'd probably say Samsung or Intel of you want performance, and Kingston if you want dirt cheap without being completely horrible. But I'd also say take with a large grain of salt, because I don't have any real data to back it up.


Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.

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#9 2021-10-12 19:12:02

James1138
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Re: ssd failure

I found several things that may help in future. Setting automatic TRIM job to daily https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c … d.html#ID6 and setting the browser (Firefox or Chrome) to use memory cache more and write cache less.

James
Indiana

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#10 2021-10-13 12:38:28

hevidevi
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Re: ssd failure

steve_v wrote:
hevidevi wrote:

any recommendations? Im thinking possibly WD or maybe Samsung.

I'm running 5 samsungs, 4 kingstons, 2 intels, an ancient OCZ, and a couple of random (micron OEMs IIRC) drives in various applications ATM, and I haven't had any problems with any of them... Besides a couple of the kingstons griping about being out of write endurance, but then they've been doing that for about 6 months now and they're still working fine.
That's a very small sample size of course, but the samsungs and kingstons regularly get the same kind of thrashing that killed those crucial drives, and they don't even blink.

I don't know anything about WD SSDs since I've never owned one, and as far as Gigabyte goes... TBH I'm pretty biased there. I've considered anything Gigabyte to be pure refuse since about 2004, and I don't know if quality has improved in the intervening years because I haven't bought from them since.

If I had to pick, I'd probably say Samsung or Intel of you want performance, and Kingston if you want dirt cheap without being completely horrible. But I'd also say take with a large grain of salt, because I don't have any real data to back it up.

Thanks for the detailed reply.  I completely understand what you mean by grain of salt, everyone's experience can differ. I will most likely get a samsung, see how that goes and get a backup drive in a kingston.

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#11 2021-10-13 12:46:58

hevidevi
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Re: ssd failure

James1138 wrote:

I found several things that may help in future. Setting automatic TRIM job to daily https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c … d.html#ID6 and setting the browser (Firefox or Chrome) to use memory cache more and write cache less.

James
Indiana

Good ideas James, thanks.

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#12 2021-10-13 13:53:49

golinux
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Re: ssd failure

Spinning rust ftw . . .

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