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#1 2021-07-26 17:25:27

uther
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[SOLVED] New kernel adoption policy in Debian

Usually I'm not very keen to learn about Debian's internal policies about release and mainteneance, but recently as latest 5.13 kernel is required for some software that I use in my work, so I started to search how Debian's new kernel adoption looks. Unfortunately Debian pages can be little overwhelming and I couldn't find anything relevant. So here are going my noob questions:

Will versions 5.11 and 5.12 land before 5.13?
If not what are the criterias for landing a kernel in a specific distro versions?
Are there a specific time frames for landing a new kernel versions in Debian, or the rule is 'when it's ready'?
Is there a shedule a user can track in order to plan one's software updates/upgrades?

Thanks in advance,
uther

Last edited by uther (2021-07-27 20:17:27)


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#2 2021-07-26 18:25:20

golinux
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Re: [SOLVED] New kernel adoption policy in Debian

Isn't that a question for Debian not for Devuan?  Other than a few systemd related packages, Devuan follows Debian repos.

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#3 2021-07-27 08:21:02

Camtaf
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Re: [SOLVED] New kernel adoption policy in Debian

They tend to stick with tried & tested kernels, if you want the latest, you might have to use 'sid'.

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#4 2021-07-27 09:56:58

xinomilo
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Re: [SOLVED] New kernel adoption policy in Debian

this is debian related question..

ceres/sid has 5.10 in. so no luck with unstable repos atm...
only 3rd party repos currently offer 5.13 kernel packages for debian based distros (eg. https://xanmod.org/) or,
you can build a kernel debian package yourself from sources.. : https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/ke … tasks.html

debian kernel probably can give more info : https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel

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#5 2021-07-27 20:12:53

uther
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Re: [SOLVED] New kernel adoption policy in Debian

Thank you all for responses, I think they answer my questions. I don't have account on Debian forums, so I asked here first.


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#6 2021-07-28 01:01:08

zapper
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Registered: 2017-05-29
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Re: [SOLVED] New kernel adoption policy in Debian

xinomilo wrote:

this is debian related question..

ceres/sid has 5.10 in. so no luck with unstable repos atm...
only 3rd party repos currently offer 5.13 kernel packages for debian based distros (eg. https://xanmod.org/) or,
you can build a kernel debian package yourself from sources.. : https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/ke … tasks.html

debian kernel probably can give more info : https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel

I will add another one to the list for those who don't need non-free repos of any kind even optionally,

jxself.org/linux-libre

smile

Note, I think the linux kernel is a monolith and am anticpating other options in the future, but for now, till the distro Hyperbola makes their BSD version,  I recommend anyone who doesn't need binary blobs, etc...

to use linux-libre you need a system usually that doesn't even need binary blobs optionally,  however if you do so, use an LTS kernel first, also, have multiple kernels if you want to be 99% sure. 

This hasn't been a problem for me most times on devuan,  but 2-4 out of maybe 200+ uses or more it has happened. 

But it still happens...  wink

For those saying debian/devuan don't have non-free stuff, I am very much speaking of hdcp and other issues like them,

But if you use a non-free wifi card, non-free sound blob or non-free graphics card, THEN DO NOT!

Just a friendly warning... if you need any of those three things,  be warned! Linux Libre probably doesn't work with them.

To my earlier point btw, the linux kernel  alone, has grown to 27 million lines of code, openbsd in its entirety has only less than 4 million, let that sink in...

Anywho, I just mentioned jxself.org's repo, because it has slightly more sane defaults regarding things debian deems free that FSF doesn't.

Although even the FSF, is  flawed regarding init freedom... to each his own. wink


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#7 2021-07-30 17:49:28

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Re: [SOLVED] New kernel adoption policy in Debian

Debian bullseye is frozen now so it will be on the 5.10 LTS branch until it goes EOL in 5 years time. This also applies to Devuan chimaera.

Once Debian 11 is released testing/unstable will continue to track the mainline kernel (testing usually delayed by 10-14 days) until the next freeze.


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