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#76 2021-04-14 20:18:43

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#77 2021-04-14 20:20:51

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Re: Minimalism Tips

andyprough wrote:

Do not use bloated gui web browsers. If you can't do it with elinks or links2, you probably didn't need to do it anyway.

The problem with this approach is, however, that, generally, “text-only” Web browsers can merely present a poor version of a Web page because they can't even really render HTML in a meaningful way.

The reason is simple: WWW is not only a hypertext system, but also a rich text system, which yields quite a few advantages in terms of document structure and readability: Headings of different levels have different font sizes and block spacing. You can use a non-monospaced type face for regular text and reserve monospaced text for where it really matters (e.g., code blocks). You can use bold and italic fonts for emphasis, just like in print. And so on…

This collides quite fundamentally with the capabilities of an output device that follows the model of a character cell display for plain text (ye olde terminal emulator).

Just compare the rendering of this very page in Elinks to that in any half-way capable graphical Web browser.

An interesting, not-really-GUI, and arguably bloat-free browser that tries to address this problem is Links, by the way, which offers a “graphics mode” that doesn't even depend on X.

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#78 2021-04-14 21:19:08

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Re: Minimalism Tips

msi wrote:

Just compare the rendering of this very page in Elinks to that in any half-way capable graphical Web browser.

Looks fine to me - I'm responding to you from elinks, no problem whatsoever.


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#79 2021-04-15 13:57:20

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Re: Minimalism Tips

Any web page that doesn't render reasonably in a terminal-based web browser is fundamentally broken IMO.

The UK government website is tested with elinks and so is perfectly usable in all browsers.


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#80 2021-04-15 14:17:30

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Re: Minimalism Tips

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Any web page that doesn't render reasonably in a terminal-based web browser is fundamentally broken IMO.

The UK government website is tested with elinks and so is perfectly usable in all browsers.

even when you need to log in to services?


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#81 2021-04-15 14:44:24

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I've never tried to log in to a government website but it certainly renders well in text browsers.


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#82 2021-04-15 20:09:52

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Re: Minimalism Tips

...all of you sissies using web browsers. You're just opening yourselves up to all kinds of trouble...

Oh. Wait. yikes  tongue


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#83 2021-04-15 21:56:32

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Re: Minimalism Tips

“Unfortunately, I can't even give the Web browser the flat tire award…” -- Alan Kay, “Normal” Considered Harmful (Browser talk starts at 16:00.)

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