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#26 2022-11-20 01:27:36

steve_v
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

devuanuser wrote:

remember to make an effort to man up and actually answer the OP questions

Sure, I'll get right on that. As soon as somebody starts paying me to man the helpdesk. roll

In case you have somehow missed the memo, nobody here is obliged to be nice to you, answer your posts exactly the way you like, or try to help you at all for that matter.
Devuan is not obliged to provide you with anything either, let alone pander to your pedantic expectations, and the included software comes with no warranty of any kind. If you don't like it the way it is, either do something constructive about it or don't use it.

Throwing a tantrum over such trivial matters as covered in this thread is entirely on you. If you're going to behave that way, then I expect this community is better of without you anyway.

Sheesh, the entitlement of some people. All over an "alarming" lack of gnome-user-manager preinstalled FFS.

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#27 2022-11-20 08:48:07

aluma
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

If we talk about capital letters, then I would write with these letters and place on the start pages of sites:
"IN THE LINUX COMMUNITY NO ONE OWES ANYTHING TO ANYONE!" smile

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#28 2022-11-20 09:51:10

Camtaf
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

Throwing a tantrum over such trivial matters as covered in this thread is entirely on you. If you're going to behave that way, then I expect this community is better of without you anyway.

We certainly will be......

.... the entitlement of some people. All over an "alarming" lack of gnome-user-manager preinstalled

.....& hasn't the common sense to install it for themself....

I wonder how the poster will fair on the Slackware forums...... wink

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#29 2022-11-20 12:13:42

steve_v
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

Camtaf wrote:

I wonder how the poster will fair on the Slackware forums.

Poorly, if they expect there to be a preinstalled GUI tool for every administrative task and throw a "but mah desktop-iso" wobbly when people point them to CLI utilities and manual pages.


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#30 2022-11-20 15:01:37

Altoid
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

Hello:

Camtaf wrote:

I wonder how the poster will fair ...

Right ...

It would seem that those of us who had something to say have already said it and in the best possible way.
Whether it made any sense or helped at all is up to the OP and how he processes it.

But beyond that, there's no need to keep picking on the chap.

I'd like to think that we are better than that.

Best,

A.

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#31 2022-11-20 18:45:11

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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

devuanuser wrote:

remember to make an effort to man up and actually answer the OP questions

I did. You're welcome.


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#32 2022-11-21 03:35:37

zapper
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

devuanuser wrote:
ralph.ronnquist wrote:

It's vaguely interesting that you want to whine so incessantly about what you have and haven't installed.
Please go on.

I try a last time.
Give factual answers please and not just innuendo and vague opinions.

1) Why is there no gui-based User config in Devian Desktop.
You claim there is ... please provide program name and directory
2) Why does the Live version allow capitalized user names but the Desktop version only allows lowercase.

Thanks

Uh... yeah... lol

I just want to make something clear...

I do not see any innuendos...

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You silly thing you...

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#33 2022-11-21 03:46:14

zapper
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

steve_v wrote:
devuanuser wrote:

remember to make an effort to man up and actually answer the OP questions

Throwing a tantrum over such trivial matters as covered in this thread is entirely on you. If you're going to behave that way, then I expect this community is better of without you anyway.

Sheesh, the entitlement of some people. All over an "alarming" lack of gnome-user-manager preinstalled FFS.

There is a better way anyhow, he could just...

*GASP* NOT USE GNOME!

*HORRIBLE*

tongue

I am one of the few out there who want a stable, libre, privacy focused simplisticly designed system, meaning, the core of the system of an OS, to me shouldn't adopt every bloated corporate ideal under the sun. Aka, java, anything requiring dbus, systemd, wayland, pulseaudio, pipewire, openssl only, as mandatory dependencies and stuff like it, as much as possible.

This all being said, with linux, the more you are willing to do DIY, it seems like the more potential for actual stability, security, freedom, etc... otherwise you get a mess... all for the sake of shiny eye candy.

Btw, it would have been easier if this person just instaled XFCE4. While this isn't free from the crap I mentioned, completely, it is at least many times more stable from what I remember than the following:
KDE
GNOME
MATE
LXQT
CINNAMON
Some window managers that are bloated as well, etc...

This has been my past experience btw... when I used devuan and other systems prior especially... with the exception of my current system of course... smile

Btw, using the terminal is not as hard as newbies or outsiders to linux would think. The documentation is friggin everywhere on the web lately.

Oh one last thing too, love your sarcasm... only removed that part, because mods don't like too much unneeded comments from what they reply to.

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#34 2022-11-21 03:49:10

zapper
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

Camtaf wrote:

Throwing a tantrum over such trivial matters as covered in this thread is entirely on you. If you're going to behave that way, then I expect this community is better of without you anyway.

We certainly will be......

.... the entitlement of some people. All over an "alarming" lack of gnome-user-manager preinstalled

.....& hasn't the common sense to install it for themself....

I wonder how the poster will fair on the Slackware forums...... wink

Well, I used hexchat a while back trying to get help for a different distro then ArchLinux once... probably he will get similar help to how I fared then.

I quit the chat not long after due to their hypocrisy in response.

Aka, they claim lightweight DIY and yet they embrace complexity like systemd and other unneeded garbage.

Smh...

But yeah, they will love to have him there so much, that they will give him a new titled next to their name, hint it is similar to Banner, but not quite.

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Black Lives Matter!  I am white, but I prefer equality over hatred.
Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
Peace be with you!
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon!

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#35 2022-11-21 03:52:09

zapper
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

devuanuser wrote:

No problem.
Good riddance.

Once you kids grow up, remember to make an effort to man up and actually answer the OP questions

Bye.

Btw, you really should chill, believe it or not, this is a friendlier crowd. If you want unfriendly or immature crowds, go to ArchLinux, or Debian fourms, try this stuff there, see how bad their response is.

Trust me, it won't be long till you get a new interesting title next to your username and it is similar to:

Banner

But it has one letter different.

xD


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Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
Peace be with you!
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#36 2022-11-24 23:19:11

devuanuser
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

All very amusing thanks.
I have been booting Unix since the eighties, so I see a problem with a usergroup when I run across them.
This is surely one.

Cheers kids.

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#37 2022-11-25 04:05:12

andyprough
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

devuanuser wrote:

I have been booting Unix since the eighties

In the 80s I was writing fortran programs on a timeshare computer. And I recall we didn't need GUI's for writing fortran or for Unix user administration.

Did you file a bug report regarding the capitalization issue? I can actually see how that could be problematic in certain very specific instances, although I don't think it's a huge problem. As was pointed out, probably by you yourself, it can be fixed with a simple change to a config file. But it should be corrected, and a bug report would be the proper process. There's a link at the top of this page that says "Bugs" - you can click there to go to the bug reporting page.


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#38 2022-11-25 04:16:56

zapper
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

devuanuser wrote:

All very amusing thanks.
I have been booting Unix since the eighties, so I see a problem with a usergroup when I run across them.
This is surely one.

Cheers kids.

I don't know you well, but out of curiosity which Unix, do you plan to use?

By Unix, I mean BSD btw.

I recommend OpenBSD, if you have very basic needs.

That system puts everything including other BSDs and probably most operating systems to shame in general, due to lack of bloat and reasonable security that linux wouldn't go near ever.

Anywho, no hard feelings from me, but in all seriousness, most operating systems communities/fans have more toxicity then they should.

Point being, pick whatever OS suits you best, all I will say is, it would be wise to pick that one if you need the minimum in functionality, aka word processor, low tech games and web browser stuff.

Sorry though, I hope you know, your not the only one I do this too. I do this to anyone I consider requiring to loosen up.

Either way, peace then and have a good one!

Btw, just so you know, I am not trolling you right now.

When I troll, I prefer sarcasm or nonsense anyhow.

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Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
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#39 2022-11-25 04:38:05

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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

devuanuser wrote:

I have been booting Unix since the eighties

Proof positive that age does not always beget wisdom then.

devuanuser wrote:

I see a problem with a usergroup

The problem is you insulting people who volunteered their free time to try to answer your questions.
If you want guaranteed professional responses, you go to a paid support channel. This is not that, this is best-effort when-we-feel-like-it by a community of volunteers. Answers are not guaranteed, correct answers even less so.

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#40 2022-11-25 04:51:46

zapper
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

steve_v wrote:
devuanuser wrote:

I have been booting Unix since the eighties

Proof positive that age does not always beget wisdom then.

devuanuser wrote:

I see a problem with a usergroup

The problem is you insulting people who volunteered their free time to try to answer your questions.
If you want guaranteed professional responses, you go to a paid support channel. This is not that, this is best-effort when-we-feel-like-it by a community of volunteers. Answers are not guaranteed, correct answers even less so.

About that... he isn't proof that age doesn't beget wisdom... well... not as much as my favourite example, anyways...

If you want a real example, look up Qanon.

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Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
Peace be with you!
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#41 2022-11-25 15:14:17

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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

upgrade my rackservers

Reading through the OP's original post is confusing to me. At first the question and the praxis seem upside down i/e better to install the server first then spin up a DE after the server is configured, not the other way around. The systemd complaints seem irrelevant to me as well since we are addressing a server installation. The desktop is inconsequential if the server is installed and configured first. Anyway, since there is an existing Linux system on the server in question perhaps Debian is a better choice to begin with for simplicities sake, but it may be worth reading through the links below first.

https://www.debian.org/releases/bullsey … 03.en.html

https://systemd.io/USER_NAMES/

The OP's question is a bit ill defined in that there is no mention of the server's purpose, which also bears on the subject of user name configuration in some cases. I wish the OP only good luck, but it almost sounds like the water is little deeper than he thought it would be. Times have changed a bit.

TC

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#42 Today 04:04:57

devuanuser
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

trinidad wrote:

upgrade my rackservers

I wish the OP only good luck, but it almost sounds like the water is little deeper than he thought it would be. Times have changed a bit.
TC

Amazing how the hyperbole develops about a person/company you know nothing about.
None of your conjectures about me or my skills are even remotely true.

But, keep it coming it is amusing as heck.
This one made us roll with laughter.

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#43 Today 04:16:09

steve_v
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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

I distinctly recall you stating that you were leaving...
Staying for a spot of trolling perhaps, or was that all just more melodrama in keeping with your OP?


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#44 Today 05:55:58

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Re: Devuan: Existential issues.

Enough of this comedy . . .

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