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#1 2021-05-21 15:27:52

JSM
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Do you know jOS?

No, of course not, because it only exists in my imagination, since the 90s, when I was still working as a computer science engineer.

What is jOS?

It can be pronounced as it is spelled or as "Joe's". jOS has two components, jOSclient and jOSserver. There is simple communication between the two via the Internet, generally with the help of binary files or, in the case of slow Internet, with compressed binary files.

What does jOS do?

jOSclient is installed on the local computer and provides a minimal channel between the physical layer and the presentation layer (ISO / OSI). It can establish an internet connection to jOSserver and transmit and receive data. It can pack and unzip compressed files. It can recognize the local hardware and operate it with the binary data from jOSserver.

jOSclient is installed on an internet server and communicates with jOSclient. There is a normal internet server, an application server and a file server.

How do you work with jOS?

The user installs jOSclient on his local computer and starts it. jOSclient creates the channel between the physical and the presentation layer, detects the hardware, establishes the internet connection and sends the data to jOSserver.

jOSserver replies with a first binary data packet, which is forwarded by the jOSclient to the corresponding hardware unit. The package already contains the correct binary code for the hardware of jOSclient. First the user sees the jOSserver login screen. There he opens an account and logs in. Then he chooses the operating system he wants. jOSserver configures the user account for the desired operating system (user data, home, etc.) and forwards the user to the application server, where the desired operating system is already installed as a multi-user system.

The user sees the desktop of the operating system he has chosen, selects his default applications (browser, email, word processing, etc.), which are already installed, and starts working. The next time the user logs in to jOSserver, the user will automatically see his desired desktop again. If the user wants a different operating system, he selects it when he logs in and sets it to default or only works with the new operating system in this session.

Is it safe?

It is no less secure than installing the operating system on the local computer. Who knows the kernel of the operating system in detail? Who knows what the internet provider does with the data? Who knows what the email provider does with the data? Who knows what duckduck does with the data? Specialists know, normal users don't. But everyone knows what facebook and google are doing with the data!

I give an example:
One surfs the internet. After a few minutes the browser becomes very slow and one wonders why. In the system monitor you can see that the CPU utilization is almost 100%, there is a constant and low hard disk access and the wlan0 up is very busy. After 1-2 minutes everything is back to normal. What happened? The browser, the adblocker, facebook, google ... or the kernel? A normal user doesn't know because they won't do a wlan hack to find out. He's just annoyed that he can't work normally in those 1-2 minutes.

There is no data problem if the data is clean. Or to put it another way, when your ass is clean, you can pull your pants down.

Who should finance jOS?

Sure, the user. A normal user buys a new computer for $ 500-1000 every 5-10 years. So his computer costs him $ 50-250 a year. This is why the user can also pay something for jOS, where he receives his desired operating system, applications and file storage for free and completely installed. In addition, the user can use his hardware for much longer because it only requires little RAM and normal processor power.

And how about the internet connection?

Surely you have heard that there are people who think everyone needs a high speed internet connection? Ok, then everything is fine.

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#2 2021-05-21 16:40:54

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Re: Do you know jOS?

reads like a cloud based docker appliance.


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#3 2021-05-21 17:16:46

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Re: Do you know jOS?

sounds like a normal server to me

It is no less secure than installing the operating system on the local computer. Who knows the kernel of the operating system in detail? Who knows what the internet provider does with the data? Who knows what the email provider does with the data? Who knows what duckduck does with the data? Specialists know, normal users don't. But everyone knows what facebook and google are doing with the data!

I give an example:
One surfs the internet. After a few minutes the browser becomes very slow and one wonders why. In the system monitor you can see that the CPU utilization is almost 100%, there is a constant and low hard disk access and the wlan0 up is very busy. After 1-2 minutes everything is back to normal. What happened? The browser, the adblocker, facebook, google ... or the kernel? A normal user doesn't know because they won't do a wlan hack to find out. He's just annoyed that he can't work normally in those 1-2 minutes.

so how does jOS deal with it?

Who should finance jOS?

Sure, the user. A normal user buys a new computer for $ 500-1000 every 5-10 years.

The user still needs a computer to run the client

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#4 2021-05-21 19:18:00

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Re: Do you know jOS?

@dice and @alphalpha

You can call it a terminal host simulation. The important thing is that jOSserver does the great work. There the binary files are made for the hardware of jOSclient, not locally. jOSclient is only the feeder to the hardware element. The correct drivers for the client hardware are running on jOSserver. jOSserver is a kind of interface between jOSclient and the OS which runs on the application server. Therefore the jOSclient hardware can be minimal. The jOSserver needs enough power to quickly "translate" the binary files. The application server with the OS (for example a Linux) is the backend. Certainly the computer manufacturers would react quickly and specifically produce simple and cheap computers that could be used as clients. $ 50-100, no hard disk required, a chip is enough. Graphic card, sound card, USB, processor, screen, keyboard. It's easy and cheap. Imagine how much money stays with the user in this way instead of flowing to the big hardware manufacturers! jOS is free, open-source, but the account on the jOS server costs an annual fee so that the hardware can be financed. The user saves money on the hardware and he has no installation work to do, except the first, to install jOSclient. jOSclient can be downloaded from the Internet, or it is already available on the client hardware if you buy it new. Or you can get jOSclient in other ways, for example via USB with ISO, in a computer shop, a public library, or from a friend, etc.

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#5 2021-05-21 19:50:24

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Re: Do you know jOS?

No, thanks.


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#6 2021-05-21 20:53:03

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Re: Do you know jOS?

Seems like a snake oil scam to me.

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#7 2021-05-21 22:37:22

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Re: Do you know jOS?

golinux wrote:

Seems like a snake oil scam to me.

Give me all your data AND pay for it?
A bad joke... joke-OS...


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#8 2021-05-22 00:30:24

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Hahaha ... everything new is scary! But you can be sure it's the future. Because there are billions of computer users who are tired of buying new hardware, choosing a particular OS and having to spend a lot of time configuring it. Not here, in the Devuan Forum, but out there in the world. When users buy a new computer, 99% of them are sure to be with Windows. What it costs? $ 100-200 I think. But the normal user is afraid to buy an "empty" computer and install Linux because he doesn't know how. You have to understand it, it's not about your egoism, but about the large number of users who are ripped off. And we want them to finally get what they want. So a computer, cheap and good, with the option to choose the operating system without having to make any effort. People pay thousands of dollars for the newest model of car, but they don't want to know how to install it. They just want to drive around with it. Microsoft is not ready yet to bring out a jOS and Microsoft has no interest in it, because Microsoft wins billions of US dollars every year with their junk. And Microsoft certainly also has stakes in hardware manufacturers. It's that easy to make money when you intimidate people and tell them you can't work without our product. Linux therefore has the chance to be the first. Linus certainly has enough money to buy the first application servers and file servers. The rest will come :-) You have to think bigger and with love!

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#9 2021-05-22 00:38:06

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Re: Do you know jOS?

I like the idea

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#10 2021-05-22 01:33:32

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Re: Do you know jOS?

I still have to correct something. Unfortunately, google translate does not always translate the word "Informatic" correctly. I studied "Informatic", the science of structured information processing. This is of course not the same as computer science, but a little more comprehensive.

Infirmatics have existed since humans have existed, because information processing is something very fundamental to humans. Or why do we have such a big brain in relative terms?

Informatic always works the same way. Collect information, process and combine information, forward results. Computers have recently been used for this purpose, but only in a very small percentage of the information. Maybe not even 1%. The rest of the work continues without a computer, with pencil and paper, or simply through verbal communication.

That is why informatic people are not particularly interested in computers, but more in the communication of information.

And just by the way ... processing the very complex information with a device that can only differentiate between 2 pieces of information, i.e. 1 and 0, is not particularly smart. Because if you want something more, you have to make enormous combinations, which then ends in almost countless files and programs, as you can see on your Devuan installation. But maybe one day there will be advanced systems, for example biological ones, which can differentiate much more information than just 2. Dual information is practical because it is simple. But complex when there are more than 2 pieces of information.

The user doesn't want to know anything about it, because the user just wants to do his job.

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#11 2021-05-22 01:46:24

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That gives me a headache to think about.  Communication of information is not as important as understanding incoming sensory data and our responses to it.  Those responses define who we become so best understand how those reactive patterns impact our lives and others for better or worse.  Life is about being a better human not processing complex external data.  That's just a distracting head trip.

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#12 2021-05-22 10:59:27

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Re: Do you know jOS?

actually come to think of it this seems like it is an idea similar to the dell wyse thin client.

Wheres old mate head on a stick when you need some deconstructive criticism wink

Last edited by dice (2021-05-22 11:02:34)


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#13 2021-05-22 11:46:11

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Re: Do you know jOS?

PXE boot server is a similar concept, & has been around for ages - down load your operating system, & away you go.

The RPi SBC is a better solution - no information is held in the computer, not even the operating system, it is all on removable media, kept at your own home - why do people put their data up on the internet, so insecure.... wink

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#14 2021-05-22 14:37:46

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Re: Do you know jOS?

Sounds like Fedora's new "CoreOS" thingey:

Provisioning Philosophy
Fedora CoreOS does not have a separate install disk. Instead, every instance starts from a generic disk image which is customized on first boot via Ignition.

Each platform has specific logic to retrieve and apply the first boot configuration. For cloud deployments, Ignition gathers the configuration via user-data mechanisms. In the case of bare metal, Ignition can fetch its configuration from the disk or from a remote source.

Or maybe I'm way off base.


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#15 2021-05-22 15:13:43

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Re: Do you know jOS?

@andyprough

I'm not sure yet if Fedora CoreOS is something like jOS, but it could be. Here is a text translation from a German article:

"Installing Fedora CoreOS is pretty easy, especially in the cloud. On the project's download page, you can find image downloads as well as links to AMIs for the various AWS data centers. You can choose a suitable cloud with just a few clicks -System off, configures the hardware, optionally uploads an ignition configuration and creates an SSH key. In under five minutes you get a running CoreOS system that you can log into via SSH and then immediately install containers. "

Is there an application server or is it just an update server? Maybe we have to test it?

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung โ€ฆ 42680.html

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-coreos/

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