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#1 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-06 07:04:41

Adjust the mirrors, check the tire pressures, even RTFM on the glossy new screen in the center?

But not "crawl into the footwell and connect the wiring for the radio", which is a far more appropriate analogy for what new users are expected to do to get pipewire working properly.

Every other distro (systemd or otherwise) which ships pipewire also ships an OOB configuration where it just works. No "tinkering", no reading manuals, no scouring forums or writing shell scripts.
Tinkering is fine if you want to customise your install or do something unusual. Pipewire is not unusual. It hasn't been unusual for several years at this point, and literally every other distro has accepted that it's not going away and solutions need to be found to integrate it.
Devuan has, what, grudgingly added a paragraph to the release notes instructing users to go figure it out? Rejected every proposed solution because it's not in upstream Debian? Chased away anybody who would be willing to work on this?

The irony is palpable. Whinging about not enough developers, then running off anyone who looks like they might contribute. Bitching about upstreams not listening to their users, then refusing to include functionality users are asking for. Blaming Debian for any and all bugs and behaving like they're part of some big evil conspiracy, then claiming that "Devuan is just Debian" and stonewalling any remotely proactive discussion with "we'll wait and see what Debian does" or "get package into Debian first".

#2 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 20:56:21

That's okay golinux, go back to sleep. You weren't doing anything useful around here anyway.

#3 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 20:39:35

golinux wrote:

Devuan is Debian without systemd.

Devuan is little more than a shallow Debian "respin" at this point. 99% of packages are pulled straight from Debian, even when that means they're broken or grossly misconfigured by default in a systemd-free environment. Nobody, apparently, cares at all.
Obvious low-hanging-fruit like shipping a simple shell script or running sed against a configuration file go unpicked, and users are left to figure these things out for themselves. Trivial 5-minute bugs go completely unanswered for years on end.
Even the live image, that one configuration among the multitude that should be tested and polished as the flagship and first-impression... is almost always broken on release day.

Perhaps it's time to stop calling this a "Distribution" altogether? Every other systemd-free distro appears to be making progress with systemd alternatives and ensuring packages work and OOTB configurations are functional, Devuan just reheats whatever Debian serves and buries it's proverbial head in the sand.

golinux wrote:

Perhaps you would like to provide and maintain a better solution for Devuan?

Why? The distro is going nowhere and the discussion channels are administered by arseholes who won't even walk their own passive-aggressive talk. What would be the point?

If you're going to ask a brand-new user, one who came here asking for technical help, to "provide and maintain" a solution, maybe start by showing your solution as inspiration? An example of all the packages you maintain perhaps? No?

franmm wrote:

I suppose that thing didn't happen before Debian defaulted to systemd

You suppose correctly.

franmm wrote:

Devuan is not just "Debian without systemd. Full stop."

It's Debian without systemd, with a perpetual list of bugs caused by removing systemd and a pathologically passive attitude to fixing any of them.

franmm wrote:

a bit condescending

... Is the understatement of the decade when it comes to our dear forum administrator here.

#4 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 16:48:32

Does KDE even need a sound server?

Not really, though plasma-pa is better integrated than kmix and IIRC the kde-standard metapackage pulls plasma-pa or kmix, with preference to the former.
ALSA not working is likely one of the usual suspects (e.g. muted master PCM or wrong default card), but OP was futzing with pipewire and close to a reasonable solution, so that's what I rolled with. (also an excuse to taunt gotard OFC, no reason to miss one of those)

#5 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 15:04:21

I'm unable to find any installation of Devuan Excalibur with KDE Plasma DE on which sound works out of the box.

That's because it (still! roll) doesn't.

See the release notes and the relevant thread argument.

#!/bin/bash
wireplumber &
pipewire &
pipewire-pulse &

May or may not work, subject to the phase of the moon (service startup is order dependent and 'foo &' doesn't wait). See better solutions further down the aforementioned argument.

where does it comes from

Devuan's stubborn refusal to implement any of the multiple user-service solutions already suggested, or package even a token-effort shell script.

#6 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] gparted will not start » 2026-04-05 14:32:20

# gparted
(gpartedbin:7345): Gtk-WARNING **: 09:37:51.663: cannot open display: 
# 

...

$ env | grep -i display
DISPLAY=:0.0
$

You ran the first as root and the second as a user, so environment is obviously going to be different. If you want to know why you got "cannot open display:", test under the same conditions you got "cannot open display:".

The command should be whatever XFCE was set to run by default on installation.

Almost certainly an xdg .desktop file dropped by the gparted package (dpkg -L gparted) and looking in it will tell you which command is being called. This is GNU/Linux, there is no "standard" anything and not everyone runs XFCE.

Ed. Anyhow, this is all irrelevant. Your polkit install doesn't work:

$ pkexec --disable-internal-agent '/usr/sbin/gparted'
Error executing command as another user: No authentication agent found.
$ 

Do you have an appropriate (GUI) agent installed (e.g. xfce-polkit)?

Package: polkit-1-auth-agent
State: not a real package
Provided by: cinnamon (6.4.10-2), gnome-flashback (3.56.0-1), gnome-shell (48.7-0+deb13u2), lxpolkit (0.5.6-2), lxqt-policykit (2.1.0-1), mate-polkit (1.26.1-4+b1), phosh
             (0.46.0-3), polkit-kde-agent-1 (4:6.3.6-1), ukui-polkit (1.2.2.2-1.1+b1), xfce-polkit (0.3+v20220621-3~excalibur1)

Also see fsmithred's comment WRT pinentry above.

Maybe (?) all this is happening due to my purging / uninstalling PCManFM and installing Xfe?

The pcmanfm package recommends lxpolkit or polkit-1-auth-agent, xfe does not. If nothing else you have installed depends on polkit-1-auth-agent, it's possible you (auto)removed it.

#7 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] gparted will not start » 2026-04-05 14:06:25

'gparted' appears (at least on Gentoo, I have no GUI Devuan installs) to be a shell script which ends up calling pkexec --disable-internal-agent '/usr/bin/gparted' if pkexec is available.
See if that command works in a terminal emulator as your normal (non root) user, and what output it produces.

#8 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] gparted will not start » 2026-04-05 13:51:05

rolfie wrote:

"cannot open display" indicates at some permission issues.

No, it indicates that GTK cannot open the X display <null> (note the trailing ":[nothing]" in "cannot open display:"), likely because the DISPLAY variable is not set in root's environment.

Altoid wrote:

If I try to start it as root from the cmd line, I get this:

Which "cmd line"? A real TTY? an xterm? whatever terminal emulator from whatever DE you're using?
GUI terminal emulators usually set DISPLAY, but su may or may not strip environment for security - I don't recall how it's configured in Debian these days. Check output  of 'env'.
SSH logins and TTYs do not, so one usually needs to correctly set DISPLAY and authorise the launching user to connect to the server (with e.g. xhost), see the X manual.

Regarding gparted not starting from the menu, I don't use gparted myself but the usual solution for GUI applications that need to run as root but don't handle privilege escalation themselves is to use some kind of launcher - pkexec (with org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui set, see 'man pkexec'), gksu, kdesu etc.
Since OP didn't specify what command this "menu" is launching (or even what "menu" they're talking about, in which DE/WM), that's where my guessing ends on this one.

#9 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Hardisk space full , but no files . » 2026-03-20 17:17:24

greenjeans wrote:

This is how golinux does it.

Only after people with more clues provided the solutions. Zero credit due golinux on that one.

TLDR: If you don't care about .xsession-errors, bind-mount it to /dev/null. If you want to keep it (but still don't like huge files), set up logrotate with compression - even gzip will achieve near-magical compression ratios on a log file containing mostly repetitive messages.
If you want the underlying bug fixed, report it to the upstream for whatever GUI junk is flooding stderr.

#10 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Removing/purging Network Manager » 2026-03-09 11:06:44

What are the inconveniences if I remove/purge Network Manager?

Uhh, needing to configure networking yourself? Fairly obvious, no?
Aside from that, likely a lack of GUI network configuration / tray widgets / whatever... Unless you install something else that provides those, of which there are several. None of them have the extensive feature set creep networkmanager does though.

NM is useful for systems that use a variety of transient networks, e.g. wifi, cell modem, bridges, tunnels, vpns etc. where the user wants a unified GUI that can configure and switch between those on-the-fly. Essentially, It's designed for coffee-shop-warriors with laptops.

NM is downright aggravating if manual network configuration is common, or a single, fixed, reliable connection is required at boot. e.g. the system has NFS mounts or the user regularly does 'ip whatever' or 'ifconfig whatever' to connect with static addresses or manual routing.

NM is completely pointless for servers or workstations that have fixed wired networking or rarely change connections.

Vague question -> vague answers.

#11 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] ext4 write slow on small 120gb sata SSD » 2026-03-07 03:40:51

kapqa wrote:

maybe bit "solved" too-early,
it seem the two SSD same/brand/ same denomination/size SA400S3 behave differently;

the earlier tested still show very slow performance with ext4 and "normal" speeds with ntfs.
the other SA400S3 show good write/speed with both ext4 AND ntfs -- on same computer, with same cables, on ssame sata sloet (sata3 speed capable).

so am wondering if the SSD is not somewat bit-defective or some other mystery involved.

The other elephant in the room is firmware behaviour.
Consumer SSDs have a minimum erase-block size and can suffer from free-space fragmentation issues. They usually don't have uniform write performance in general, relying on cache/host memory and a dedicated "fast" area to buffer writes until they can do a more efficient block allocation.

The upshot of all that is that SSDs do quite a lot of sneaky things in the background to appear faster than the flash memory actually is, they need regular "trimming" to release blocks and power-on-idle downtime so the firmware can do garbage collection, wear-leveling, and free-space defragmentation.
If any of that goes sideways (IME usually due to firmware bugs), performance will fall off a proverbial cliff.
Check both drives are running the same firmware revision (and update if any are available), check the wear-leveling counters in SMART, and try a full zero-fill wipe followed by a trim on the problematic drive.

onedevone wrote:

Its a magnitute faster on nand-flash

Benchmarks or GTFO.

onedevone wrote:

spinning drives are ancient history

How strange they're still being manufactured in volume, and the technology (e.g. HAMR) is still under active development. roll

onedevone wrote:

I was forced to use ext4

You were forced to think for yourself. Devuan can run any root filesystem supported by the kernel (as can most distros), the limitation is only in the installer. As for /home... That's utterly trivial to set up after install, with any filesystem you like.

#12 Re: Installation » Post installation annoyances » 2026-03-07 02:59:28

Isn't KDE going Wayland only?

Yes, with 6.8. That's still a ways off for Debian/Devuan, but one should be aware that X11 support has been in feature-freeze for some time and anything but critical bugs are very unlikely to be fixed.

#13 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Fail With DOT » 2026-03-07 02:45:11

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

what is PFS

man wget wrote:

       --secure-protocol=protocol
           Choose the secure protocol to be used.  Legal values are auto,
           SSLv2, SSLv3, TLSv1, TLSv1_1, TLSv1_2, TLSv1_3 and PFS.  If
           auto is used, the SSL library is given the liberty of choosing
           the appropriate protocol automatically, which is achieved by
           sending a TLSv1 greeting. This is the default.

           Specifying SSLv2, SSLv3, TLSv1, TLSv1_1, TLSv1_2 or TLSv1_3
           forces the use of the corresponding protocol.  This is useful
           when talking to old and buggy SSL server implementations that
           make it hard for the underlying SSL library to choose the
           correct protocol version.  Fortunately, such servers are quite
           rare.

           Specifying PFS enforces the use of the so-called Perfect
           Forward Security cipher suites. In short, PFS adds security by
           creating a one-time key for each SSL connection. It has a bit
           more CPU impact on client and server.  We use known to be
           secure ciphers (e.g. no MD4) and the TLS protocol. This mode
           also explicitly excludes non-PFS key exchange methods, such as
           RSA.

i.e. more paranoia BS, from someone with likely little idea what it actually does or what attacks it might defend against, since they apparently need "step by step" instructions to write a trivial init script.

Next will be out-of-repo "privacy" browsers, VPNs, and whatever go-fast shiny-new-shit is popular on Arch/Artix right now.

onedevone wrote:

Toxic answeres.

"Toxic" OP, complete with entitlement, shouting, and misguided assertions that your personal preference regarding DNS should be a distro-wide default.

onedevone wrote:

DOT is not something to be laughed at

I'm not laughing at DoT, I'm laughing at people who consider it not being enabled by default and integrated into some random GUI a "complete showstopper".
Devuan, like Debian, comes with a standard DNS configuration by default. If you want something else, it's on you to read the documentation and set it up.
Likewise init systems - sysv is the default and best supported. If you want something else, all the parts are available but you get to assemble them.

#14 Re: Other Issues » New Wifi Vulnerability » 2026-02-27 13:23:07

DNS spoofing is a very old attack, as are most of the others mentioned. There are undoubtedly more which were not, and calling a fix for one a "defence" is like plugging one hole in a colander and calling it "sealed".
What's new here is breaking client-isolation so those old attacks all work again. It's basically ARP spoofing, and that was a gold-mine in terms of what you could do once you had control of the stream. DNS fuckery is a problem, but it's really just the tip of the iceberg.

If you use "coffee shop" style public wifi (which I personally think is a terrible idea), use a VPN or tunnel (preferrably with a pinned host cert).
If you administer the same, use separate access points and segregate them from your main network.

Ed. Ahh, I see I have reached the perfect post count. big_smile

#15 Re: Other Issues » New Wifi Vulnerability » 2026-02-27 05:17:34

Or just use separate AP(s) for your untrusted/guest network, and put them on an isolated VLAN... Like sensible people have been doing for about as long as wifi has been a thing - because wifi has been subject to a variety of security issues since day one, and untrusted devices or networks cannot, by definition, be trusted.

I'm now wondering if Stubby actually works in Devuan 6 yet? Or is it still in 'development'? That's one possible useful defense.

Assuming you are talking about this stubby, now I'm wondering if you even understand the article you linked... What does a DNS stub-resolver have to do with anything, and how is it supposed to be a "defence" against a layer-2 port-spoofing attack?

#16 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Inability to install printer » 2026-02-27 00:35:04

There's so much wrong here I'm not even sure where to start.

1) epsonscan2-6.7.87.0-1.src.tar.gz is the source code, unless you feel like building the scanner tool from source yourself, you almost certainly want epsonscan2-bundle-6.7.87.0.x86_64.deb.tar.gz (from the "drivers" section of the download page) instead.

2) You can't just stuff a 'cd' command, a directory name, a file name, and a script with relative path into one line and expect it to work.
'cd' takes exactly one argument (the target directory), you provided three.

3) Adding more random stuff to a syntactically incorrect command-line won't make it more right.

4) Nor will changing the order of said random stuff.

* Get the right file.
* Unpack the archive

tar zxf epsonscan2-bundle-6.7.87.0.x86_64.deb.tar.gz

* Change into the directory created above (use tab-complete if you value your sanity)

cd epsonscan2-bundle-6.7.87.0.x86_64.deb/

* Run the installer script

./install.sh

#18 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Inability to install printer » 2026-02-22 09:13:15

Firefox fooling you

If you inspect the stream, you'll see that the webserver incorrectly sets "content-type: text/plain" in the response header. Firefox is believing what it's told, as it should.
This is a disturbingly common misconfiguration in javascript-infested eula-gated corporate "download portal"s, and the javascript nonsense they use to make mirroring painful and ensure you agreed to all the things and clicked all the boxes tends to interfere with client-side mime-sniffing that might otherwise work around it.
It's not a browser bug.

#19 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Is there a Devuan derivative targeting old hardware/laptops? » 2026-02-22 08:54:18

waiting to happen?

Breaking news: It happened some time ago, and the majority of distributions and desktop environments are using it.
Personally I don't think wayland is ready to replace X, but many seem to like it and that's a perfectly valid choice.

As for the OP: Sandybridge with 8GB of RAM will run pretty much any current distro acceptably well. The biggest problem will be, as always, the demands of a modern standards-compliant web browser.
If it only has 4GB installed, look into upgrading it. Most machines of that generation can take at least 8GB, usually up to 16. AI insanity notwithstanding, used DDR3 DIMMs are dirt cheap.

#20 Re: Devuan » Devuan without elogind » 2026-02-22 08:47:02

better to have a piece of systemd as a dependency then the whole damn thing

Or, ya know, maybe admit that systemd does actually have some good points, and take inspiration and/or code from the things it does well.

Elogind works, it solves real-world problems, and it arrived at a time when the only alternative (consolekit) was an unmaintained mess nobody wanted to rely on if there was any other choice.

Now, we have more options. Turnstile and seatd are things, consolekit2 is actively maintained again. The situation might warrant reevaluation, for a number of valid technical reasons... Which "it's part of systemd, ick, kill it" is decidedly not.

BSD and Illumos can use a desktop environment without elogind and this is tremendous.

BSD and other unixes had no choice, because removing all the linux-isms in [e]logind was arguably more work than fixing consolekit or implementing your own solution.

#21 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Inability to install printer » 2026-02-22 01:23:56

ARM binaries simply will not work on an AMD64 architecture, trying them is pointless.
The driver linked in post #5 is the correct architecture and already in the correct format (so no mucking around with xarchiver or alien required), just install with apt or dpkg, e.g.:

apt install ./epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.8.7-1_amd64.deb

Whether it works is another question, I don't have applicable hardware.

ideographic characters from another alphabet appear

Are you sure that's not just Epson's website setting x-content-type incorrectly, causing your browser to render the binary file as text rather than downloading it?
Try wget or curl on the URI you get, e.g.:

wget https://download-center.epson.com/f/module/e81c57ab-d783-435d-bd64-e74bac7c72b4/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.8.7-1_amd64.deb

#22 Re: Off-topic » Opinions about keypassXC » 2026-02-22 00:58:58

You could get the same point across by being a bit more personal with the person you disagree with.

Touche, diplomacy is not my forte. My intent was was not personal disparagement but a technical disagreement on the measurement criteria. If I came across otherwise, my apologies.

My confrontational wording was largely due to ongoing frustration (here and elsewhere) with use of code or overall package size as a proxy for quality or usefulness. Obsessing over memory or disk space and perceived "bloat" does, as they say, "pull my chain", and doubly so when the numbers presented are potentially misleading.
None of that has anything to do with greenjeans personally of course, if it sounded like a personal attack, again, my apologies.

#23 Re: Off-topic » Opinions about keypassXC » 2026-02-21 22:20:29

Again, no there is no putdown toward greenjeans nor his fine contributions, what I take issue with is the size comparison - the argument, not the person.
If you want to take "your comparison is disingenuous" to be some kind of general personal attack... Whatever dude. vOv

#24 Re: Off-topic » Opinions about keypassXC » 2026-02-21 18:57:01

I wasn't poking fun at anyone

"Lol, in 29 mb" sure sounds like throwing shade at keepassxc on account of installed size, and that's a reflection on the developers, no?

the cruft you mentioned out (which my app doesn't have or need)

Right, so documentation is bloat, and everyone speaks English. Got it.

What I made does the basic main task such things should do, it's tiny so there's a lot less to go wrong and it's easy to audit, and a good solid base if someone wanted to expand on it.

Sure, I never said your program wasn't good. It's not your code or your contribution I took issue with, rather the misleading comparisons you keep making.

here I am trying to do something about it and you're giving me misery too?

No, I'm giving you misery for making obviously skewed comparisons. Including translations isn't "bloat", it's basic accessibility.
Focusing on code size and/or memory footprint above all else is also rarely the whole picture, and frankly I'm tired of constantly hearing about it.

Same goes for the hair-shirt minimalism shtick in general, as popular as it appears around here. 4MiB or whatever is nothing, and translations are only loaded when needed.
Trading away features to be able to brag about how small something is is dumb, and not everyone needs or wants to compute on a turnip.
Debian/Devuan is a general-purpose distribution, running on 20 year old hardware is not and should not be the priority. There are whole distros dedicated to minimising memory and disk use.

#25 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-21 07:00:25

21 days later, ntp is not started yet

NTP has been working just fine since day one.

An NTP daemon being started or not wasn't the problem to begin with, this was all over a misleading warning from a long-abandoned GNOME applet the OP insisted was some kind of authority on the matter... For all the usual "click the GUI thing and make comparisons to Windows rather than read the manual" reasons.

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