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runnig aptitude doesn't show the "minor problem":
root@kaos:/home/keos# aptitude update Hit http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie InRelease Hit http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates InRelease Hit http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged jessie-security InRelease root@kaos:/home/keos# aptitude dist-upgrade No se instalará, actualizará o eliminará ningún paquete. 0 paquetes actualizados, 0 nuevos instalados, 0 para eliminar y 0 sin actualizar. Necesito descargar 0 B de ficheros. Después de desempaquetar se usarán 0 B. root@kaos:/home/keos#
and the system is update after the reload by synaptic.
You should not have jessie in your sources. Golinux pasted jessie sources by mistake and neither you nor I noticed it. Didn't it seem odd to you that you were adding jessie sources after you removed them to upgrade to ascii?
That will work until synaptic is upgraded to a newer version. Then your edited .desktop file will be replaced. I solved that problem by making a separate .desktop file called synaptic-gksu.desktop. Make sure to change the Name field, because you will have two entries in your menu for synaptic. You need to be able to tell them apart.
Please post the output of
ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d
You can replace us.mirror.devuan.org with auto.mirror.devuan.org and the closest working mirror will be chosen automatically. If you are not in the US, you should do that. If you are in the US, it probably doesn't matter.
You don't need to use the line for packages.devuan.org. It would be redundant.
SR, nope. It's a file, not a line.
N: Omitting the file "devuan-ascii.lists" from the directory "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/", as it has an invalid filename extension
Use a valid filename extension. (i.e. ".list" not ".lists"). Are you sure you're up for this?
You should not need the 'packages' repo. When I did the upgrade, I used only one line in sources.list:
deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main
The problem with the upgrade is not in the sources, it's in the packages. To quote myself from above:
Be prepared for breakage and know how to handle it.
I sure hope this isn't your main system that you're trying to upgrade. Maybe you should practice in a VM or on a spare computer. Then you'll know what to expect.
refractasnapshot and installer should work with any debian/devuan-based system. Ubuntu-based distros can be a little trickier, since some versions don't have live-config-sysvinit in the repo. (e.g. mint18)
I don't know what the best course of action is at this point. If you can figure out what's trying to pull in dbus-user-session, you might be able to avoid it. Or, you could install equivs and make a fake dbus-user-session like I did. Somehow, I was able to remove it afterward.
What happens if you try to remove dbus-user-session? That's what I ended up doing. (First workaround was to create an equivs package for dbus-user-session.)
Any of the installer images and the minimal live will give you a minimal system. Only the desktop-live forces you to take the whole desktop. Uncheck everything (or everything except 'standard system utilities' and the tasksel window.
Edit /etc/default/keyboard and change us to fr.
See 'man keyboard' for more.
As I said above, replace rsyslog first.
Or maybe wait a few weeks.
Nixer, syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd. You can easily switch back to rsyslog when it's ready.
Keos, yes, those changes are correct. You can comment out the deb-src lines if you're not going to be building packages.
Wasn't there something about xconf?
gconf2. Maybe you were thinking x because there's a problem with xserver, too. It won't run without a display manager. Oh, and speaking of that, there's a problem with the display manager. But you'll never know that until you get past the problem with rsyslog.
To OP and all the others who are itching to try ascii...
It's only been three weeks since devuan jessie went stable. Three weeks is not enough time to prepare the next release.
I think two of those three weeks were spent in recovery. Things are happnening now. The major blockers should be fixed soon. Meanwhile, a careful debootstrap install will work and so will a prepared upgrade (e.g. replace rsyslog first). Be prepared for breakage and know how to handle it.
i have tried many ideas... and nothing works.
The answer to this is, "Something must be wrong."
More information about what did not work and what error messages you got will result in a better answer to your specific problem.
There's live-sdk - https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551
It's not yet set up to do uefi without adding some stuff, but I've done it, and it works. That's how the desktop-live isos were made.
It's also not yet set up to include the debian installer. Someone is working on that.
There's also a cheater's way to get what you want.
- mount and copy a netinstall iso
- mount your favorite live-iso
- copy the /live folder to the copy of the netinstall
- edit the boot menus in the copy of the netinstall
- repack the copy into a new iso.
fsmithred wrote:anyone who installs without a network connection might not need a network manage
the problem with devuan developers are thinsk as other.. that totally false...
I think once again, that you can blame the debian developers for that. Devuan devs have been focused on removing systemd dependencies, not on changing everything else.
i have internet connections.. but i prefers disc media due interent connections are very slower.. many more countries in the world have poor performance in internet connection...
Yes, and that use case is exactly the reason the CD is offered.
that irritate me.. why overload my precious interent connection (that are very expensive here) if i can have all locally ... also a disc media install more faster rather than a network internet based...
You're going to have to use your network one way or the other. If you install CD1, you'll need to add packages from the network (like libreoffice for instance.) Your alternative is to download the DVD and probably have everything you want locally.
Edit: Here's another option - you can buy a devuan dvd:
https://www.osdisc.com/products/devuan
Edit2: I just checked a debian-8.3-CD-1. It does have libreoffice. That's new for jessie. In wheezy and squeeze it was on CD-2. I don't know why there's a difference, and it doesn't change your options, anyway.
You do get a basic desktop with the CD install. I guess someone decided that anyone who installs without a network connection might not need a network manager. That seems like a reasonable decision if you're trying to fit things in a limited amount of space.
For vdev:
Add the experimental repo to your sources.list
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental main
apt-get update
apt-get -t experimental install vdev
Then disable experimental (comment out the line) and apt-get update again.
I think that's how it's done now. The iso that I uploaded has an older version of vdev that was installed from deb packages that I downloaded. More info here -
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/vdev
I don't know enough about how the installer isos are made to answer your first question. I know the choices in tasksel are hard-coded in the source code. I don't know if tasksel adapts itself if any of those choices are not on the media, but I think it does not.
A debian install from CD-1 does not give you a full set of applications if you don't use a network mirror. Been there, done that.
The jessie-vdev iso was made for testing vdev, not to provide someone with a full system. I tried to keep it light so the download would be smaller.
These are the desktop choices on the installer DVD. The installer CD only has xfce. (more about that below)
The installer does not give you choices for individual programs. (unless there's some way to access dselect that I haven't seen.) If you want network-manager, you need to add it after the install.
If you have both wired and wireless network hardware, the installer will ask which one you want to use if you are going to use a network mirror.
I've found no ISO with wicd/network-manager that can switch off wi-fi or re-connect (even eth/wired).
Wicd has a button that says "Switch off wifi". Are you saying it doesn't work? It also has connect/disconnect buttons for both wired and wireless connections, and I know those work.
You could probably install lxde in a live session that had openbox and then install to hard drive. There might soon be a refracta-ascii iso with openbox, lxterminal, lxpanel and a couple other small lx-somethings. That's just a few packages short of full lxde (but a lot less than task-lxde-desktop, which pulls in all the desktop applications with it.) If you want to try it, here's a jessie with vdev iso that fits the description -
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/file … 3_0159.iso
About that installer CD. It's not very useful. You end up with an incomplete desktop (no network manager, no browser, no word processor). Some of those packages are on the CD and you can install them with..., um, oh yeah. No synaptic. I think that's on the CD, too. So you'd have to install from terminal first.
What about converting with a live DebIan Lxde ISO to Devuan, then using refractasnapshot?
If you're going to use refractasnapshot, it would be easier to install from a devuan installer iso, configure the system how you want it, and then make the live iso from that. I could have an lxde live iso in a couple hours that way. I don't know how to incorporate debian-installer in that without cheating. (cheating by unpacking an installer iso and adding the /live folder from a live iso, then repacking the installer iso.)
Keep in mind the difference between the two methods. The installer isos contain packages or download packages and then install and configure them. The refracta tools just make rsync copies of the filesystem and then either add live components into the iso when making a snapshot or adding a bootloader when installing.
I think package versions will remain constant between stretch and ascii. To do what you suggest would require a lot more people to do the work. Here's an explanation of amprolla that might answer some of your question.
Amprolla is an APT repository realtime merging mirror with caching support, used in Devuan to create and maintain package repositories. It brings package repository overlays to Apt-based distributions, a concept originating from Gentoo and present in other package managers such as GNU Guix. It was introduced as a quick way to solve the problem of serving Devuan-specific packages while keeping original Debian packages that don't need modifications, in order to reduce both resource consumption and the necessary work to make the Devuan Project a reality. Amprolla is tightly integrated with Devuan's infrastructure but may be used (and contributed to!) by others.
Amprolla runs as a daemon that monitors package changes in Debian by pulling them from Debian incoming repository queue, from packages.debian.org and sources.debian.org API. Once a change is identified, filters are applied to ensure the package dependency tree is correct. Then each modified package is synchronized to Devuan repositories. Amprolla maintains a complete local copy of all the repositories it tracks, but uses an HTTP redirect trick to save bandwidth and take advantage of the wide Debian repository mirror network for speed.
The local repository cache is used in case any new package in a Debian repository breaks dependencies or need actual human attention to be patched or built before insertion into the Devuan repositories. In any case, Amprolla can fallback to a previous version of the package if needed.
Amprolla integrates tightly with the development platform. It uses a SQL database to facilitate working at package level instead of suite level, and providing a REST API to access repository and package information and statistics. Version 2 of Amprolla will also replace dak functionality of Debian.
Because it provides package repository overlays, Amprolla can serve as the basis to expand such overlays to implement, e.g., personal package archives, thus making it easier to fork packages in the distribution. As a result, Devuan users are empowered, and Devuan maintainers encouraged to collaborate with (and listen to) users.
I haven't tried it, but I expect that you would only need to change the source of the packages, and the custom-CD and simple-CDD instructions should work with devuan. If you use that procedure and just note the changes you had to make, that would be helpful.
In one of the posts above, you mentioned wanting to make a live-CD. You can use live-build from the repository to do that. You could also use live-sdk (not packaged) or refractasnapshot (in experimental repo) as alternate methods. There are some threads in the Documentation section of the forum regarding live-build and live-sdk.
jessie-backports has the same version of ffmpeg that's in testing. 7:3.2.5-1~bpo8+1
i must then adapt to devuan AGAINB other Debian only feature:
we have to do custom disc this on Debian:
1) https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD in this we must modify the apt mirror to only set required packages due repo are huge
2) https://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto this its a wrapper around your sugestion, but works perfectly for squeeze (i not use moder slowly linux)i want to build a Devuan offline disc with LXDE desktop but without many modifications like the Devuan derivatives ... most in the Devian derivative rules, i mean Devuan only related..
What part of those procedures failed when you tried them in devuan? If any of the tools are missing, which ones?
And regarding the missing sqlite lib, it's in stretch, ascii and ceres. It's not in jessie. You can blame debian for that.
# aptitude search sqlite |grep odbc
p libsqliteodbc - ODBC driver for SQLite embedded database
# apt-cache policy libsqliteodbc
libsqliteodbc:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 0.9995-1
Version table:
0.9995-1 0
500 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ stretch/main amd64 Packages
100 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages
90 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/main amd64 Packages
aptoncd makes only custom package disk, i want to produce installer disc
refracta only copies the system, i want produce live/devuan like Debian oficial way!
aptoncd was the closest thing I could find in the repo to what you said. How do you do it in debian? What is stopping you from doing it the same way in devuan? 99% of the packages in devuan come directly from debian without changes, so the tools you want should be available.
You said it was read-only, so I guess you can't fix it.
http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.ph … r15-laptop
Overall install status:
Devuan at install there's not any firmware so only the live flavor will work.. the other install media will let the system incommunicable.
That was a problem with beta2. It has been fixed. The installer isos will install wireless firmware unless you select expert install and say you don't want it. In the live isos, wireless firmware and firmware-linux-nonfree are installed and can be removed after installation by running a script.
aptoncd is in the repo.
The live isos have tools for making your own live iso from the running system. (refractasnapshot copies the running system with all your changes and configurations).