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#2051 Re: Installation » Installation without Session management and policykit backends » 2018-08-19 16:04:39

Thanks for the reply. Your English is good enough that I think I understand everything you said. And I agree with you.

a lot of software was created (mainly by freedesktop.org), in my opinion, very complicated and difficult to manage.

You're too polite! I won't put my version of that statment in print, because it's not safe for work.

I've spent a good part of the morning looking at dependencies of different display managers and session managers in jessie and ascii. It's a big rat's nest. It looks like the problem comes from a change in the dependencies of libpolkit-gobject-1-0 and libpolkit-backend-1-0.

I will discuss this with the appropriate devs, and we should be able to sort it out for beowulf.

#2052 Re: Installation » Installation without Session management and policykit backends » 2018-08-18 15:20:48

A simple solution would be to move those dependencies to Recommends. Then anyone who wanted a minimalist xfce could install without recommends. (Many of them already do this.)

campus, can you list the functions that are lost by installing without consolekit?

#2053 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » VLC and Kaffeine won't install on Ascii [SOLVED] » 2018-08-17 17:35:39

Once you get your sources straightened out, just install kaffeine. You should not need to tell it to install vlc - the package manager will pull in any dependencies automatically.

#2054 Re: Forum Feedback » Yandex [solved] » 2018-08-17 17:32:46

Something from this list probably does what you want.

$ apt-cache search yandex
rclone - rsync for commercial cloud storage
translate-shell - Command-line translator using Google Translate, etc.
git-annex-remote-rclone - rclone-based git annex special remote
youtube-dl - downloader of videos from YouTube and other sites

#2055 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » usb's not auto mounting » 2018-08-17 17:24:47

The devuanized versions of 0.105-15 are in jessie-security.

apt-get -t jessie-security install policykit-1

#2056 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Microcode to fight Spectre and Meltdown cpu flaws » 2018-08-17 11:30:44

As explained above, you need to fix your sources.list.

This is wrong:

deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/non-free main

This is right:

deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free

Make similar changes in the other lines and update the cache again.

Edit: Ah, you posted while I was typing.

The microcode will be inserted into the initrd when you install the package. I think you can have both the amd and intel packages installed, but only the one for your processor will be in the initrd.

#2057 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta no-dbus experiment » 2018-08-16 16:11:22

Gentoo can be completely no-dbus because you get to compile ALL your packages. (Anyone is welcome to recompile all the debian/devuan packages that require libdbus*)

#2058 Re: Other Issues » Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia » 2018-08-16 16:06:21

The messages are letting you know that some of your hardware can use non-free firmware. You would need to enable contrib and non-free repos, update, and then install firmware-misc-nonfree if you wanted it. I don't know if it will make a difference in how your vid card performs.

#2059 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Refracta no-dbus experiment » 2018-08-16 14:53:23

Refracta-nodbus has libdbus-1-3 and libdbus-glib-1-2. I don't think they do anything except satisfy some package dependencies. A search for 'dbus' in /var/log/* shows some errors in the refractainstaller log and in  Xorg.0.log.

refractainstaller_error.log:

D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/etc/machine-id": No such file or directory
See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue.

Xorg.0.log:

(EE) dbus-core: error connecting to system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound (Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory)

I'm not sure what question I'm supposed to answer from stevepusser's post.
This? libgtk-3-dev is installable in ascii. I tried to install it, but I already have the latest version.

#2060 Re: Installation » Installation without Session management and policykit backends » 2018-08-16 14:08:52

Sorry about that. I did read all your posts, but I didn't re-read them every time I returned.

Anyway, I did get xfce running without any *kits and without xfce4-session in ascii. There may be better ways to do this, but this is mostly working. I doubt that there will be any changes in xfce4-session in ascii, but it might be possible for beowulf. If you start testing beowulf, you could file a bug report against xfce4-session to get things moving.

I started with a refracta-nox install in virtualbox. (standard system utilities plus some extras, no X)
Added the following packages (without Recommends):

xorg xinit xserver-xorg-legacy xfwm4 xfwm4-themes xfconf xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfdesktop4 xfce4-terminal thunar thunar-volman

Added needs_root_rights=yes to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config

Put the following (exactly as posted) in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/31nokit

xfwm4 &
xfce4-panel &
xfdesktop

Start the xsession as user with startx /etc/X11/Xsession

To end the xsession, I've been dropping to console and running 'init 1' as root. I'm sure there are better ways to do this, but this is convenient for testing.

#2061 Re: Other Issues » How can i get rar in devuan? [solved] » 2018-08-12 19:44:43

rar/unrar is in non-free. You would need to add non-free to your sources.list to install it.

#2062 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] refractainstaller: confused about sudo options » 2018-08-12 19:40:09

The wording in the cli installer is better than in the graphical.

	1) Disable sudo (recommended)
	2) Permit sudo for new user (and keep root account.)
	3) Use sudo as default for new user (and disable root account.)
	4) Use sudo only for shutdown (and keep root account.)

#2 and #3 put the primary user in the sudo group, so all admin commands are available.
#4 adds a file to /etc/sudoers.d/ to let the user reboot, shutdown, suspend or hibernate.

Edit: I just made a note to myself to fix the wording in the graphical installer.

#2063 Re: Devuan » new desktop-live iso » 2018-08-12 19:30:48

There is a point in the installer, right before it installs the bootloader, where you could chroot into the installed system and make changes (such as installing openrc.) I haven't tried it, but it should work.

#2064 Re: Installation » I can not install the new Devuan(2) » 2018-08-12 18:58:38

At the beginning of the install, when the installer asks if you want to use sudo or su, choose sudo, and you won't have to enter the root password to start the installation process. This only gets used to start the installer.

Later in the install, it will ask if you want to use sudo or a root account for the installed system. Choose whichever you want.

An alternate solution would be to use the command-line installer. From a root terminal, run refractainstaller
or from a user's terminal, run sudo refractainstaller

#2065 Re: Installation » Installation without Session management and policykit backends » 2018-08-12 18:51:50

Since I do not know, nor did I find anywhere else, another method to start the desktop, I wrote that the only solution possible is to modify the "xfce4-session" package.

The command you're looking for is startx. That's a generic command that will start an xsession with your default window manager. In this case, xfwm. You'd probably need to start the panel or other parts of xfce separately. I don't know exactly what limitations there would be, and I've been mostly away from the computer and unable to try it myself.

I can second the recommendation for openbox. I use it in some installations along with lxpanel. (tint2 is another popular panel.)

#2066 Re: Installation » Installation without Session management and policykit backends » 2018-08-10 00:03:24

The desktop packages I'm interested in (XFCE4) are built so that a Session manager is always installed.

You would probably have better luck if you stopped trying to install xfce4, which is a metapackage that does nothing but pull in other packages such as xfce4-session, which you do not want. Install the parts of xfce that don't pull in the session manager, as I described earlier in this thread.

#2067 Re: Installation » Latest devuan jessie update causing authentication problems » 2018-08-01 14:49:05

VH,

You need to downgrade the associated libraries, too. You can find those packages in the repo or do it as described here -
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=11042#p11042

Note: you should probably use pkgmaster instead of packages in the links I provided. I'll go back and change the links I posted.

Edit: I previously supplied the link for one of the libraries instead of the main package.

If you're downloading the packages, select the correct version and architecture of the files in this directory. (0.105-9+devuan1)
http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool … licykit-1/

#2068 Re: Installation » MIYO "install" button seems to do nothing » 2018-07-31 18:07:07

Those commands for chroot don't look right. Does it really work after that?

I'd do it this way...

Boot live CD, then get a root terminal.

mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
chroot /mnt
grub-install /dev/sda
update-grub
exit

#2069 Re: Installation » Latest devuan jessie update causing authentication problems » 2018-07-31 17:04:10

The problem is that the newer version of policykit-1 has not been devuanized yet.

$ apt-cache policy policykit-1
policykit-1:
  Installed: 0.105-9+devuan1
  Candidate: 0.105-15~deb8u3

You might be able to fix it by reverting to the older versions of policykit-1 and associated libs.

dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/<filename>

If you don't have a copy of the packages locally, you can download them from the repo and install with 'dpkg -i <filename>'
Select the correct version and architecture of the files in this directory. (0.105-9+devuan1)
http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool … licykit-1/

Edit: I filed a bug report against policykit-1 in jessie.

#2070 Re: Installation » MIYO "install" button seems to do nothing » 2018-07-31 14:52:31

Plan C. (Unless you answer "no" to any of my previous questions.)

Reinstall, and when the installer gets to the pause before it installs the bootloader, open a root terminal and run the following commands:

chroot /target
grub-install /dev/sda
update-grub
exit

Then go back to the installer window and proceed (it might say "Proceed without a bootloader" but that's ok, because you just did it manually.)

If you see a button labeled "Chroot" when the installer pauses, you can use that, and it will open a terminal in the chroot. Then you can just run the grub commands and exit.

#2071 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Upgrade from Jessie to Ascii: apt thinks I'm using "testing" » 2018-07-31 14:45:38

There are new mirrors you should use. Change sg.mirror.devuan.org to deb.devuan.org (or maybe sg.deb.devuan.org) in sources.list, then update.

#2072 Re: Installation » MIYO "install" button seems to do nothing » 2018-07-31 04:51:20

Just to make sure we're all on the same page...

The live system has grub-pc installed?
Your hardware uses legacy bios and not uefi?
Your hard disk uses a dos mbr, not gpt?

I'm pretty sure from what you already said that the answer to all three questions is "yes" but I've seen grub fail with some combinations of those factors. (Also seen it fail for no apparent reason.)

#2073 Re: Installation » MIYO "install" button seems to do nothing » 2018-07-31 04:45:56

Boot from the live media (CD or USB, whatever you used for the install).
Mount your linux partition, and take a look in /home/miyo/refractainstaller_error.log. (Miyo, I'm hoping you didn't disable that.)
It might also be /var/log/refractainstaller_error.log.
And it probably won't give you any useful information in this case, but it's a good idea to check anyway.

Plan B. (The real plan)
Boot from the live media, but select 'Boot from hard disk' at the boot menu. There may be two of those, one that says 'old way'. Use whichever works. Once you boot the installed system, as root, run grub-install /dev/sda and then update-grub

The first command should install the bootloader to the mbr of the first hard disk. The second will create a boot menu.

(Note: It's also possible to boot the live system, then chroot into the installed sysem to run the grub commands. If you're already familiar with chroot, you can go ahead and do it that way.)

#2074 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-07-28 15:10:20

I can confirm that the live installer won't do raid. But you got me interested in what's involved in creating a raid array, and I found this howto:
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/ … untu-16-04

That guide puts the root filesystem outside the raid. You could install miyo, boot into the new system, install mdadm and then create the raid on separate disks. It looks easy. It might even be easier than figuring out how to create a raid with the standard debian-installer.

You could do the same from the live session, but you'd need enough ram to update the package cache and install mdadm. You'd also need to know which things to do in the live system and which to do in a chroot.

If you wanted the root  filesystem to be part of the raid, it might be possible to do it from the live session. You would have to install mdadm, create the raid, don't create the filesystem, use the cli installer and name /dev/md0 as the partition to use for the root filesystem. The installer would create the filesystem, mount it and copy the system to the hard drives. If you want to try this, we could discuss it in more detail in a separate thread.

Update 20 Aug 2018:
I posted some examples of installing to lvm and/or raid using refractainstaller here -
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2323

#2075 Re: Other Issues » Devuan + paralleized OpenRC + KDE » 2018-07-24 14:21:50

Yes, either the graphical or non-graphical expert install will let you do what you want. If you select a mirror during the install, then the DVD and the netinstall isos will give you the same thing. If you have a very slow connection and cannot use a mirror, then you should use the DVD.

I find the non-graphical install easier to use than the graphical. (Easier to use the keyboard only, rather than have to keep moving between mouse and keyboard.)

The wiki is at friendsofdevuan.org. It's a work-in-progress, so it may not have what you want yet. Your suggestion is good - enough people are confused by the difference between the installer isos and the live isos, that there should be a simple explanation available. Maybe a page that has an overview of different install methods would be appropriate. (I'm talking to myself and the people who are editing the wiki.)

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