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#176 Re: DIY » Migration from debian buster to devuan beowulf can work » 2019-04-15 15:49:53

It looks like you were able to do an upgrade in devuan while running systemd.

Actually, you may be are correct.  I did not notice that.  I think you are referring to the first "apt upgrade", yes that was while using systemd.  I thought that would only pull in the stuff that was not requiring systemd.  In total, there were only 10 or 12 packages pulled in.  I just had to find a good step by step so that apt could do it right.

fsr > In case you are interested, I will email you the note that I made of the steps and terminal output.  I finally got it to work one time and I did it again, step by step, to make sure that the steps were correct. 

I really was not expecting it to work at all.  Before this test, I also did a stretch to ascii migration and it was much easier.

#177 DIY » Migration from debian buster to devuan beowulf can work » 2019-04-15 01:03:47

nixer
Replies: 12

I haven't read anything on a debian buster to devuan beowulf migration anywhere.  I was wondering if it was possible.  So, not having much to do today, I thought I would give it a try.  To my surprise, it did work, utilizing a minimal install.  It was not quite as simple as a single "apt dist-upgrade" command, but I did get it to work using a trial and error "path".  I do not claim this to be clean or as simple as it could be, like a jessie to jessie migration, or even a stretch to ascii migration.  I only wanted to report that it did work, and these are the steps on how it was done.  I have all the terminal output saved if anyone is interested in seeing, improving, or simplifying this method. 

This was done in virtualbox.  I installed the debian buster "testing" iso file (with firmwares) located at:
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unof … 64/iso-cd/
I then connected to this VM through ssh so that I could copy from and paste into a terminal window.  This was easier than using the vm window.
From this debian install, I made only the following changes:
- installed net-tools, to display ip address

apt install net-tools

- export PATH to /root/.bashrc by adding:

export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin

I then started the migration to devuan:
- changed sources.list to devuan, left only the one beowulf main entry
- installed devuan-keyring with

dpkg -i devuan-keyring_2017.10.03

- then ran these commands:

apt update
apt upgrade
apt install eudev
apt -f install
apt install sysvinit
reboot
apt dist-upgrade

-altered /etc/network/interfaces file
change these two lines from,

allow-hotplug enp0s3
iface enp0s3 inet dhcp

-to-

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

-then updated grub to change Debian to Devuan

update-grub

- purge systemd with

apt remove systemd --purge
apt remove libnss-systemd --purge

apt install libelogind0

to see that all is well.

reboot

Finally, the command

dpkg -l | grep systemd

produces no output.  No systemd here!! 

I distinctly remember reading three or four years ago that the ability to migrate from a debian to devuan install may not be possible in the future.  I don't think that day is here, yet.

#178 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] how to go downrev with opera » 2019-04-09 17:30:19

Can I revert to Devuan's previous version?

I don't think that there is/was a "Devuan" version, because it is not supported in debian. 
How did you install it?  Was it with the repo mentioned here: https://wiki.debian.org/Opera ?

I would suggest to uninstall the "broken" version that you have and download and install the older version.  I am currently booted into ceres and I do not see it in the official repositories.

#179 Other Issues » Repositories accessible with ipv6 only? » 2019-03-19 22:20:46

nixer
Replies: 1

I was tinkering with a vps today and was configuring it for ipv6 only, with no ipv4 connectivity.  I tested the network connection and it appears to be working fine.  I can access it with ssh, and from the ssh session, I can ping an ipv6 site by using the domain name, so the dns resolver is working.  I then tried to do an "apt update" and I got many errors such as:

Cannot initiate the connection to deb.devuan.org:80 (31.220.0.151). - connect (101: Network is unreachable)

Naturally the repositories are online and working fine.  Does the devuan repository system have ipv6 capability?  If so, is there anything different to be done to access it?

#180 Re: Documentation » Tips for successfully migrating Ascii DE to Beowulf as of 11-08-2018 » 2019-03-17 15:38:48

Created /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid_some_beo like fsmithred did.

It is my understanding that you do not need this any more.  You might want to try to remove it and see what wants to get updated.  Also, if you have them, you may be able to remove all references to ascii from sources.list .  I have done this to a couple of beowulf installs and it has caused no problems.  However, I do have one beowulf install where I still have ascii references in sources.list file so that I can use the ascii version of network-manager and its openvpn tools.

From what I have read and experienced, there have been at least two major improvements recently that makes beowulf closer to a beta state - first, the polkits got a major facelift a few weeks ago which have been applied with your dist-upgrade to beowulf, and second, you can run

apt install libelogind0

and this will make a noticable change to your system.

And may I add that the change produced with libelogind0 was very nice to see... (-;

#181 Re: Off-topic » Old Dell optiplex 780 sff died » 2019-03-06 13:39:40

Dual Core 3.2GHz... 4GB DDR4 (1x4GB)

Do you like to play with virtual machines?  For me, this is a little light on resources.  But then I don't know how close you want to stick with the $475 price you mentioned.
Will you be putting it together yourself?  If you are, then I would at least look at what Newegg has in the way of bundling.  Here are a couple of quick links for "DIY kits" that they currently have.  I saw one or two that were just under $700 and they came with a 6-core processor and more RAM.

http://www.newegg.com/DIY-PC-Combos/Pro … tore/ID-33

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi … =BESTMATCH

I just last month purchased a kit and assembled myself.  It works great and am very pleased.  I do not like the cases that they are pushing now as it does not have any optical drives openings on the front.  I chose the Corsair 200R case and I really love it.

#182 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ssd optimization on devuan » 2019-02-22 21:31:07

Any other suggestion for SSD optimization is appreciated

use a dedicated /var/ partition on an hdd

I have been setting up bind mounts today for a new system I purchased recently.  I have my notes right in front of me so a simple copy and paste will explain how I did this is ceres, beowulf, ascii, and another distribution. 
I prefer to use bind mounts instead of a separate partition because it reduces the number of partitions on a drive.  This method is pretty simple and quick.  It can also be used to create a bind mount folder for /tmp, if you wish.

- Create the folder that you want to bind to.  Example:

mkdir /mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/var && /mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/tmp

- chmod the newly created tmp folder to 0777:

chmod 0777 /mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/tmp

- Copy contents of the /var folder to the place you designate:     

rsync -avzh /var/* /mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/var && rsync -avzh /tmp/* /mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/tmp

- Rename Original folders to save their contents.

mv /tmp /tmp.original && mv /var /var.original

- Create new folders to serve as mount points:

mkdir /tmp && mkdir /var

- Edit fstab with:

/mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/var     /var		none	bind	0	0
/mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/tmp     /tmp		none	bind	0	0

I suggest to be sure to put the bind entry in fstab below the mount entry for the destination location.  The second drive location (Data) must be mounted before the "bind mount" location.

- Mount the bind folders:

mount --bind /mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/var /var && mount --bind /mnt/Data/bind-mount-folder/tmp /tmp

The nicest thing that I like about bind mounts is that the mounted folders and their contents will be included in backup functions like refractasnapshot. 

reboot

This just worked for two linux distributions, devuan and pclinuxos.  If this fails for any reason the system will not be bootable, as /var (and /tmp files) will need to be created.  Be sure that you have a live disk, or another boot method, to rename the original folder(s) and the system will be bootable again.

But like you mentioned, it may be less important today to reduce write functions on a newer solid state drive.

#183 Re: Devuan » A philosophical diatribe: How to avoid having users - and how not to » 2018-12-15 17:10:04

Greetings Mr. ESR,

I am another nobody just moving along at my own pace, and doing my own thing, especially with linux.  I too read your initial statement :

Sit up and pay attention...It was supposed to...

And got the same reaction as Miyo:

Good grief man.  Some of us don't know who you are...and telling us that we should respect you simply by declaring so is...well...

Well, it did not portray you as a humble or appreciative person.  Granted, a lot of times forum boards do not accurately portray someone.  Miscommunications are easy and do happen.  However, after reading your homepage, I think you are more humble and appreciative than you first appeared to be (within this forum board anyway).  I do disagree with your "personal shooting rig" though.  I prefer something different, wink    I thank you for your contributions to free software, and I thank you for your ideas presented in this thread.

I think all that is needed is a short write-up on the different installation medias available, and what will be installed by each.  Most of the content needed for this write up has already been presented within this thread.   This write-up could also be as a single Read Me text file placed with the downloadable files.  A short explanation of each media would be informative and this would help new users.

And thank you Devuan devs for all your efforts!  I like what you have done, and have enjoyed using your product for over 4 years!

#184 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » (solved) can't run sudo apt install » 2018-10-13 18:04:15

I don't see anything that is not correct, but I can state that at about the time that you were posting this, I was having some problems doing a regular update with similar "File not found" error messages. 

I would try it again later before I tried changing anything.

#185 Re: Installation » Latest devuan jessie update causing authentication problems » 2018-07-31 10:52:01

Make sure you have the latest sources.  auto.mirror is deprecated and  deb.devuan.org has replaced pkgmaster.

I knew that this was true starting with ASCII but is it also the preferred sources for jessie also?  I got hit with this same problem.

Devuan.org ( https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list ) still shows:

Devuan 1.0.0 Jessie (oldstable)

# /etc/apt/sources.list

deb     http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main
deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main

#186 Re: News & Announcements » "Origin" now set to "Devuan" » 2018-06-02 11:10:01

I think 'apt-get' is being / has been deprecated in favour of 'apt'

Somehow I missed that information.  Thanks for informing me.

#187 Re: News & Announcements » "Origin" now set to "Devuan" » 2018-06-01 22:45:22

you can safely ignore the warning, and ask apt to continue

When this happens, what is the command to update then?  I do not have the option of continuing.  When I try to update with "apt-get update", I get the error message below and I can't see how to continue.

Reading package lists... Done                                 
E: Repository 'http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease' changed its 'Origin' value from '' to 'Devuan'
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
E: Repository 'https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease' changed its 'Origin' value from '' to 'Devuan'
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
E: Repository 'https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease' changed its 'Origin' value from '' to 'Devuan'
N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.

The package lists do not get updated so there is nothing known to update on my system.  Ideas?

#188 Re: Off-topic » Will 'Pluto' be the next Devuan release? » 2018-05-11 18:25:22

My lips are sealed.

Oh come on... please.  Information is "leaked" all the time.  Just accidentally let it slip sometime... (-;

#189 Re: Installation » [Solved] eudev issues during upgrade to ASCII » 2018-03-25 03:52:12

Try as root user,

rm /etc/init.d/udev

and then,

apt-get dist-upgrade

You may get a notice about apt "wanting to do more" but I just disregarded that.  I updated a few installs in this manner.

#190 Re: Installation » ASCII pm-utils bug? also possibly polkit? » 2018-02-16 00:50:07

Did you try installing libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit???

When I marked it for installation in synaptic, it wanted to pull in the *systemd-polkit program, so I backed out.  In my instance, I had in synaptic two programs marked as upgradeable but did not upgrade with a dist-upgrade.  I manually marked to upgrade this policykit-1  program and then the second program.  If I marked the first program in the list, it became marked as broken.  So I marked the second program in the list first (policykit-1) and it updated correctly.  This update pulled in the systemd polkit programs.  No problem, I followed the instructions linked above.  Since slim was installed and in use, I installed the programs below and in installing them, the systemd programs were removed.  I installed:

libpolkit-backend-1-0-elogind (0.105-18+devuan2.4)
libpolkit-gobject-1-0-elogind (0.105-18+devuan2.4)

The information above worked fine.  I now have the shutdown and hibernate options again.  A reboot shows no PID error or anything else that looks out of place.

Edit:  typo/spelling

#191 Re: Installation » ASCII pm-utils bug? also possibly polkit? » 2018-02-15 20:16:03

Helpful link here?

I have not tried this, yet, but it looks like I will have to.  I updated from ascii pre-beta and after an update from yesterday, I have this same logout / reboot problem as described here.  Plus I have two *polkit packages which show as needing updating , but are held back due to dependencies.  It does not show as a broken package but it just does not look right.  So, I am holding off on updating.

Does anyone know if this will be fixed by repackaging and let apt fix it with a dist-upgrade, or should I go ahead and try the steps outlined in the link above?

#192 Re: Installation » [SOLEVD] devuan-keyring » 2018-02-01 16:04:46

Try this, as root,

apt-get install devuan-keyring

If you still get the following error,

W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/auto.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages)

then look in /etc/apt/sources.list file and make sure that there is only one line containing

http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates/main amd64

If you see only one mention of that line, then look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for that line also.

I think that that line should be:

and should only appear once, preferably in the sources.list file.

#193 Re: Installation » VirtualBox Install Stalls » 2017-12-24 12:06:54

Have you tried to resize the .vdi file down to a smaller size?

VBoxManage modifyhd YOURFILENAME.vdi --resize 100000

 
This "should" resize it down to 100GB that would fit on the 128GB drive, and thus allow the install to finish correctly.

Whether you are using VB on a windows or linux host, the command should be relatively the same.  Here is an article using windows as a host machine.

#194 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] <Ascii> Devuan Version » 2017-12-06 11:52:51

For what its worth...
In Ceres,

# cat /etc/devuan_version && cat /etc/debian_version
ascii/ceres
cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory

#195 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » vdev and pulse » 2017-11-20 09:55:40

If you are not using systemd, then please edit or remove
    /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf
    to reenable it.

In ceres (ascii and jessie too?), I am using the Pulse Audio Volume Control to control volume within the xfce panel.  This broke after a recent update and I had to follow the directive above to get it working again.

#196 Re: DIY » The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition » 2017-11-03 00:26:35

Have you given Waterfox a trial run?  I don't know about mhtml but the pdf viewing was flawless as well as a couple other things that I have had problems with both in firefox and palemoon.

In case you are interested, here is an unofficial build located on a repository:
https://github.com/hawkeye116477/waterfox-deb

#197 Re: Off-topic » Hello To all comunity » 2017-10-20 11:54:45

So finally I found the forum!!

I'm using devuan for years since syntemd arrive to debian.

Welcome to the forum aladedragon!

#198 Re: Other Issues » When is Amprolla3 coming? » 2017-10-19 10:54:00

I may be getting a little ahead of myself but, will this work for a ceres install if I change the release name from ascii to ceres in the sources.list file?  For example, can I use this ?

deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ceres main contrib non-free

#199 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Star 1.0.1 - Distrowatch Review (from yesterday) » 2017-10-18 11:23:01

greenjeans wrote:

Well yeah, the 130 line browser can do most if not all that, not just forums, works almost everywhere i've tried it, even youtube.

Well, if nobody else is going to ask, I will... what 130 line browser are you talking about?  Looking forward to hearing about this, unless it is a private project and not released to the public... (-;

#200 Devuan » Webmin v.1.860 supports Devuan? » 2017-10-11 00:26:15

nixer
Replies: 2

It is not listed on the list of "official" supported linux distributions here, http://webmin.com/support.html , but it appears that Devuan is now officially supported by Webmin.  I upgraded a 64 bit system today only to see a webmin message saying that my system is not a Debian system but actually a "Devuan based system".  I allowed this change to be made and now my webmin page shows,

Operating system     Devuan Linux jessie
Webmin version     1.860

This is an acceptance that I have been looking forward to.

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