There is a point in the installer, right before it installs the bootloader, where you could chroot into the installed system and make changes (such as installing openrc.) I haven't tried it, but it should work.

The command you're looking for is startx. That's a generic command that will start an xsession with your default window manager. In this case, xfwm. You'd probably need to start the panel or other parts of xfce separately. I don't know exactly what limitations there would be, and I've been mostly away from the computer and unable to try it myself.

I can second the recommendation for openbox. I use it in some installations along with lxpanel. (tint2 is another popular panel.)

VH,

You need to downgrade the associated libraries, too. You can find those packages in the repo or do it as described here -
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=11042#p11042

Note: you should probably use pkgmaster instead of packages in the links I provided. I'll go back and change the links I posted.

Edit: I previously supplied the link for one of the libraries instead of the main package.

If you're downloading the packages, select the correct version and architecture of the files in this directory. (0.105-9+devuan1)
http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool … licykit-1/

The problem is that the newer version of policykit-1 has not been devuanized yet.

$ apt-cache policy policykit-1
policykit-1:
  Installed: 0.105-9+devuan1
  Candidate: 0.105-15~deb8u3

You might be able to fix it by reverting to the older versions of policykit-1 and associated libs.

dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/<filename>

If you don't have a copy of the packages locally, you can download them from the repo and install with 'dpkg -i <filename>'
Select the correct version and architecture of the files in this directory. (0.105-9+devuan1)
http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool … licykit-1/

Edit: I filed a bug report against policykit-1 in jessie.

There are new mirrors you should use. Change sg.mirror.devuan.org to deb.devuan.org (or maybe sg.deb.devuan.org) in sources.list, then update.

Boot from the live media (CD or USB, whatever you used for the install).
Mount your linux partition, and take a look in /home/miyo/refractainstaller_error.log. (Miyo, I'm hoping you didn't disable that.)
It might also be /var/log/refractainstaller_error.log.
And it probably won't give you any useful information in this case, but it's a good idea to check anyway.

Plan B. (The real plan)
Boot from the live media, but select 'Boot from hard disk' at the boot menu. There may be two of those, one that says 'old way'. Use whichever works. Once you boot the installed system, as root, run grub-install /dev/sda and then update-grub

The first command should install the bootloader to the mbr of the first hard disk. The second will create a boot menu.

(Note: It's also possible to boot the live system, then chroot into the installed sysem to run the grub commands. If you're already familiar with chroot, you can go ahead and do it that way.)

Yes, either the graphical or non-graphical expert install will let you do what you want. If you select a mirror during the install, then the DVD and the netinstall isos will give you the same thing. If you have a very slow connection and cannot use a mirror, then you should use the DVD.

I find the non-graphical install easier to use than the graphical. (Easier to use the keyboard only, rather than have to keep moving between mouse and keyboard.)

The wiki is at friendsofdevuan.org. It's a work-in-progress, so it may not have what you want yet. Your suggestion is good - enough people are confused by the difference between the installer isos and the live isos, that there should be a simple explanation available. Maybe a page that has an overview of different install methods would be appropriate. (I'm talking to myself and the people who are editing the wiki.)

aptitude why elogind should tell you why it's there. I don't know if there's an apt-get equivalent (in case you don't have aptitude.)

Maybe start with installing standard system utilities, and then add these. I'm not sure if you'll need the last two, and there are other parts of xfce4 that aren't necessary, but you might want them.

xfconf xfdesktop4 xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-terminal xfce4-session xfce4-power-manager

I'm also not sure if it's still the case, but you might need to manually install dbus-x11 to avoid some conflicts.

Parallelized refers to services starting more or less all at the same time at boot. This was supposed to be a selling point for systemd when it was introduced, based on the belief that the system would boot faster. Sysvinit and openrc normally start services one after another. In practice, which method boots faster can vary.

The installer in the live isos copies the running live system to the hard drive. Since openrc is not installed in the current live isos, it won't be installed with the system. You can add it after you reboot into the new system. If openrc becomes the default init system in devuan at some time in the future, you will get it in the live isos, and in that case, if you want sysvinit, you'd have to add it after the initial installation.

If you want to install devuan with openrc on a lot of computers, you could make your own live iso with openrc. You would install the first system with sysvinit, change it to openrc, then run refractasnapshot to make a new iso. Then, any installs you did with the new iso would have openrc right from the start. I've already tried this, and it works.

Oops! I forgot that you asked about mate - there's no mate in the live isos. You would have to add that after you install the new system. The desktop-live only has xfce.

I just tried it. I started allowing javascript for several sites, went past my personal limit and then went totally crazy and turned off noscript (allowed all javascript). The noscript list of sites serving code on the page was so long, it went off-screen. That's reason enough to never go there again.

I was able to get audio, but no video. CPU temperature went up as if it had video.

I have browser-plugin-vlc and flashplugin-nonfree installed. I don't know if the flash plugin even works anymore. Last time I tried to install that for a friend, it was impossible. (It's no longer supported.)

Tested this on jessie.

The CD isos have fewer packages on them. You can install with just the first one for a small system, or you could use the additional ones for more packages. The DVD iso is a better choice.

If you select a mirror during the install, then you will essentially be doing a netinstall, and you'll get the full system. If you can do netinstall and you don't need to have the packages on a local optical disk, just get the netinstall iso.

You access the debian (devuan) installer by booting one of the installer isos. The live isos use refractainstaller, which won't do raid or lvm. You want one of these:
https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ … aller-iso/