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#1226 Re: Installation » Palemoon a browser that doesn't convince! » 2017-12-20 21:08:17

I can't get Midori to play any web video either, it's supposed to be capable but hasn't worked for me yet, other than that it's pretty nice.

Palemoon is still the best all-around browser in all the testing i've done.

#1227 Re: DIY » Tips for using Palemoon » 2017-12-20 20:58:31

fungus wrote:

Correction,
All of the above is true for Devuan, on the same system on Artix and Obarun the palemoon updater/installer worked fine

I just download the .deb and dpkg it manually, works fine, no need for updater or any hoo-ha.

FYI newest PM (27.6.2) requires newer version of  libdbus-1-3 than what's in devuan jessie, but I have successfully used the dbus packages from ascii in my jessie installs and they are working fine as is PM.

#1228 Re: Off-topic » Devuan i3 » 2017-12-13 23:38:53

I like i3, love to see a Miyo edition wink

I use the i3 screenlocker on all my machines, simple, light, fast, uncomplicated...just how I like my 'nix.

#1229 Re: Other Issues » Question on kernel upgrades » 2017-12-12 22:54:53

tlathm wrote:

I have Jessie with the linux-image-amd64 meta package installed. Most of what I read about kernel upgrades seems to be around doing dist-upgrade. I'm a little confused as far as ongoing kernel upgrades that might occur within the same major version.

If (and I assume there are) occasional kernel upgrades available for Jessie, do they just get installed via api-get update and apt-get upgrade? If so, does it leave the existing kernel installed etc. Also...and this is probably related...does it automatically run grub-update if I'm using grub?

Thanks!
Tom

Hi Tom, when using jessie (current stable) you will get occasional kernel upgrades within the same family (3.16 LTS).  If installing through Synaptic you can just mark it as a regular upgrade, it will install the new kernel (removing the old one) and will run update-grub (at least it did last time I checked). In other words it works the same as other upgradeable packages within the same major version (i.e. jessie/Devuan 1.0).

I have done quite a few in the last year and they all went very smoothly, no issues at all.

I don't use apt-get, but looks like it should work the same unless there are changing dependencies with new version (can't see that happening with the kernel but possible I guess)? In which case you might need to use apt-get dist-upgrade.

#1230 Re: Other Issues » Software packages aging issue » 2017-12-12 22:41:26

There is software in the repos of ALL those distros that is up to 10 years old or more without any updates, and it all still works. Hundreds maybe thousands of packages.

Nobody uses exclusively 100% shiny new software.

In point of fact, the only real constant reason people need new software is for newer hardware support, occasionally for compatibility with a new file type or format.

hd_scania wrote:

I have been using differenet libre system like Parabola (always latest libre software packages), Fedora (0.5 years per upgrade of libre packages and nonfree kernel), Debian (always latest stable stage of libre packages), Trisquel and Uruk (liberating Ubuntu 18.04), but finally Devuan, your Jessie is finalized last May but software packages are as aging as Ubuntu 14.04 (April in 3 years ago), without Parabola and Fedora I cant always refresh my free software to the latest ones. Why is Dyne and VUA foundation using libre software packages aging for 3 years? And there is not yet OpenRC that is present in Parabola and from Gentoo. Will Dyne and VUA foundation instead make a rolling Parabola derivative, without systemd like current Devuan, but OpenRC by default, with always refreshing libre software packages?

#1231 Re: Off-topic » Firefox Quantum » 2017-12-12 22:35:11

MiyoLinux wrote:
golinux wrote:

FreeBSD might have taken care of the problem.  Did you check for apulse?

No package named apulse is even available. smile

Not in Devuan jessie either the last time I checked, maybe it's in ascii?

So, no libpulse0? That's the only thing I have on my system, VLC dragged it in (but doesn't really need it) so I deleted most of it, lol.

#1232 Devuan Derivatives » [Vuu-do] menu fix if user has upgraded to ascii » 2017-12-12 22:19:57

greenjeans
Replies: 1

Okay, here's what works for me and all Vuu-do systems:

First of all, users need to understand that Obmenu-generator is just a single perl script, with a couple of userspace config files. There is no need to upgrade it by installing a new package of it, or re-compile it, and no need to install cpanminus or anything else.

Vuu-do (1.0.6) already has the latest script, if you have an older version of Vuu-do and obmenu-generator, just download the new script and replace it in /usr/bin, newest script is here: https://github.com/trizen/obmenu-genera … -generator, don't forget to make sure it's executable.  You will also need to replace the Linux::DesktopFiles perl module as described below.

That's it, keep all your other stuff, the only thing different in the schema file is some cleaned up code, the file you have will work fine, if you want to you can go in and replace all the 'begin_cat' commands with 'beg' and all the 'end_cat' commands with 'end'. That's literally the only difference (already done in Vuu-do 1.0.6)

So, assuming you have the latest script, here's how to re-install the Linux::DesktopFiles perl module (this is the real and only reason obmenu-generator stops working when you upgrade to ascii, because when you upgrade the system you are installing a new version of Perl and it doesn't have the proper Linux::DesktopFiles module pre-installed.):

Download Trizen's Linux::DesktopFiles perl module, this is custom made by the same author, zip file here: https://github.com/trizen/Linux-Desktop … master.zip.

Open file manager and navigate to the download folder, right-click the zip file and choose "extract here". Now enter that directory and open a terminal, su-to-root, and run these commands one at a time:

 perl Build.PL
     ./Build
     ./Build test
     ./Build install

That's it, it will start working immediately. No need to re-scan icons unless you want to, script will do it automatically if you delete the icon cache and db in ~/.config/obmenu-generator/, or you can just use the menu entry: Configuration >> Advanced >> Obmenu-generator >> Refresh icon set.

#1233 Re: Off-topic » Firefox Quantum » 2017-12-11 21:43:29

MiyoLinux wrote:

Installed FreeBSD on a spare computer yesterday. Installed Firefox, and it was 57. After I finally figured out how to get my sound working tongue , sound was working on Firefox too. As this is my first experience with FreeBSD, I can't say for sure, but it appears to have only alsa installed. I did several

pkg search

for pulseaudio and related packages, and none were installed.

Ah-ha!!

Looks like somebody built it to run just alsa.

#1234 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-12-07 22:53:01

New Vuu-do Openbox-64 versions uploaded just now, this is version 1.0.6. and probably the last one for this year...probably....;)

Lots of updates pushed from last version, imagemagick, libreoffice, samba, vlc etc.

Interface improved, active windows better defined in tint2, fixed conkyswitch.desktop icon issue, fixed "places" icons to make a better more consistent setup in users home and more. Removed more cruft (cinnamon and gnome shell stuff in themes). Re-did the pcmanfm extensions and scripts to replace some useless code and added window-icons to make it prettier. Did some more work on .desktop files.

Updated Obmenu-generator to version .84 and updated the Linux::DesktopFiles perl module to Trizen's version .25 which is optimized for this menu generator, and fixed some deprecated code in the schema.pl file.

Re-did dialogs in Refracta-snapshot and Refracta-installer just to make it a little more visually appealing and uniform, added window icons too.

In addition, for the maximal version:

Updated Palemoon to latest version (27.6.2) which is the last update for the year according to Palemoon website.

But new Palemoon required a newer version of libdbus-1-3 than what's currently in the Devuan jessie repo, so I pulled the newer version of all the dbus packages from the ascii repo (1.10.18) and used those.

So far they work perfectly in all my testing and so does Palemoon, let me know if anyone has an issue.

Made and added Asunder icons in all sizes.

Just a holiday update, hope y'all enjoy it! smile

#1235 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Issues with Laptop Lid Suspend/Hibernate and Panel Plugins » 2017-12-07 21:20:14

ulno wrote:

I confirm all problems still persist in xfce on Devuan:
- no lid-based actions in xfce (only via acpi-script hack -> but this still doesn't trigger anything power-related in the xfce gui)
- no battery actions -> this is particularly annoying as you don't get warning when you run out of battery or also don't see if you are charging or not
- strangly: volume and display buttons work
- power button works sometimes (usually not)

I tried diffrent versions of xfce4-power-manager, upower, acpid - even from ceres - all don't work.

I don't actually understand why all this doesn't work? Anybody has a better idea what is missing in xfce4-power-manager?
All this does work on voidlinux (I haven't tried artix yet).

It is disappointing, the Mate power manager is even worse. 

You got all that to work on voidlinux? Maybe doublecheck packagelists and see if there's something extra that's helping it work right in the other distro? Version used in voidlinux?

#1236 Re: Off-topic » in 32bit, you, simply, can more! » 2017-12-07 21:11:24

fungus wrote:

Back in the early 70s if you had the world's fastest motorcycle, a Honda 750, you could adjust all 8 valves in a jiffy with 3 tools.

I used to set the valve-lash on a straight-six with just two, one to remove valve cover and the other to loosen/tighten and do it in about 5 minutes or less.  TDC it, adjust half of 'em, rotate crank, do the other half.

....(sigh)....

#1237 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-12-05 22:21:05

Almost done with 1.0.6 (Openbox versions), should be uploading fresh iso's tomorrow. wink

I really should update Mate versions, I see folks are still downloading them, and the maxi is still at 1.0.3 and the mini is 1.0.2 I think, they both need a good bit of work.

Don't think i'm going to do an ascii-Mate version of Vuu-do and may have to dump Pluma from Openbox as the GTK3 version of Pluma is kinda ugly (so is Synaptic), which is a dang shame as it is almost perfect in 1.8.1 Mate.

What's really ridiculous is how much work it is to fix theming issues in the mountain of bloat that is GTK3 theming. GTK2 is ONE simple config file.

What goober thought that : 100 times more code=always equals better?

The re-sizing/disappearing scroll bars are just nonsensical, most aggravating aesthetic feature i've seen lately, a regression in useability too.

Maybe I can use the older versions in ascii, we'll see. Maybe fix and recompile.

#1238 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Strange mounting problem with USB drive » 2017-12-05 22:06:24

sgage wrote:

I've really got to give OpenBox a real try one of these days. I've tried it a couple of times, but didn't have the patience to really give it a chance. Maybe I'll try VuuDo - I've got a spare partition at the moment...

Awesome, I hope you like it! Will actually be uploading version 1.0.6 (in Openbox only) hopefully tomorrow as i'm almost done with it. Not any huge changes from 1.0.5 but will have new Palemoon (27.6.1) and newest Obmenu-generator script (.84) new linux desktop files perl module (.25) and more.

#1239 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Strange mounting problem with USB drive » 2017-12-05 20:58:56

sgage wrote:

Hello All,

I am having an issue I've never come across before in 20 years of Linux experience. I am running a fully updated Ascii with MATE. The problem goes like this:

I have an external hard drive with a partition named "Linux" on it. Usually, I simply plug in the drive, and it auto-mounts on /media/sgage/Linux. For the past couple of days, however, it mounts on /media/sgage/Linux1. However, the item /media/sgage/Linux also appears. If I try to cd to Linux, I get 'permission denied'. I can cd to Linux1, and all my stuff (backups, mostly) is there. Meanwhile, 'Linux' shows up in Caja under Devices.

If I manually umount /media/sgage/Linux1, /media/sgage/Linux remains, but Caja shows 'Linux' under devices as unmounted.

This same exact scenario occurs with the other partition on the drive, and it also occurs with USB sticks.

I've never seen anything like it - anyone have a clue?

TIA...

Yep, with Mate and gnome2 before that, Mate will also occasionally do this with the optical drive if you have one, Mate also throws up an error message when you insert a blank CD if the optical drive is not already mounted, I fixed that at one point but can't remember what I did.

Openbox using gvfs though hasn't been doing it though, it's been remarkably trouble-free about mounting/unmounting properly.

#1240 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-12-01 21:24:51

FYI to any reading and using Obmenu-generator already, you can retain your existing schema.pl file when upgrading, but it wouldn't hurt to take a minute and edit the file due to a couple deprecations in code:

"begin_cat"  -is now- "beg"
"end_cat" -is now- "end"

less code is always mo bettah. wink

#1241 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-12-01 21:20:59

No need for cpanminus, you can build the latest module from that link I posted above and install, then delete the extra stuff. Trizen built that module himself so you know it's optimized for obmenu-gen and menutray. wink

Replace obmenu-generator script.

Delete icons folder and cache.db from ~/.config/obmenu-generator. Now right click to open menu and it will re-populate automagically.

I did this last night on an ascii upgrade, worked perfectly.

MiyoLinux wrote:
greenjeans wrote:
MiyoLinux wrote:
Linux::DesktopFiles

I got a dollah says this is all that's needed. wink

obmenu-generator will automatically run the -p -i command when you click on it the first time, so shouldn't be necessary to do that either.

That worked!

After upgrading to Ceres, I only had to reinstall...

apt-get install cpanminus

...then I ran...

cpanm Linux::DesktopFiles

...then I ran...

obmenu-generator -p -i

...and the menu returned. big_smile

Thanks greenjeans...that cut out an extra step or two that wasn't needed. Where do I send your dollah? tongue smile

#1242 Re: Other Issues » amprolla.devuan.org is not online » 2017-11-29 23:14:18

golinux wrote:

Actually a major pain.

wohoppen?

#1243 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-11-29 22:54:36

MiyoLinux wrote:
Linux::DesktopFiles

I got a dollah says this is all that's needed. wink

obmenu-generator will automatically run the -p -i command when you click on it the first time, so shouldn't be necessary to do that either.

#1244 Re: Other Issues » amprolla.devuan.org is not online » 2017-11-29 20:43:35

mknoop wrote:

whenever I try to apt-get update on either jessie or ascii it is unable to connect to amprolla.devuan.org which I think is essential to the whole merged devuan/debian thing.

I was having the same problem yesterday, today it's working fine, probably a minor glitch yesterday or maintenance.

#1245 Re: Off-topic » Firefox Quantum » 2017-11-27 19:28:18

cynwulf wrote:

Pulseaudio support is just the "default", it's still possible to build without it.  You could try pulling down the Debianised source and changing the 'mozconfig' options (build flags):

# Uncomment the following option if you have not installed PulseAudio
#ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio
# and uncomment this if you installed alsa-lib instead of PulseAudio
#ac_add_options --enable-alsa

(source: http://linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/s … efox.html)

Then remove pulseaudio dependencies from the control file and rebuild the package.  Obviously not tried it myself, but I can't see why it wouldn't work...

You are the rock-a-doodle-doo sir! wink

Looks like 57 also requires some updated libraries from what's in jessie, so the whole thing may be a non-starter anyway at least for the current stable Devuan.

#1246 Re: Off-topic » Firefox Quantum » 2017-11-25 22:22:09

Anybody hear of anyone re-compiling quantum with ALSA support (disable dependency on Pulse)?

Paging FSR.......;)

#1247 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-11-25 22:14:33

MiyoLinux wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

Dd you also have to install the newer Perl module to use it? Won't work on my machine at the moment because my version of Linux::DesktopFiles is reporting as .12 and the new script requires .25

I think now the version .99 thing was a typo, it was supposed to be .79 I think, so that would explain that.

Well...no sir...but I've only tried the git installation on Ascii. Here's what Perl is showing in Synaptic on Ascii...

5.24.1-3+deb9u2

That's the number of perl, perl-base, and perl-modules in Ascii as of this writing...and everything worked fine 'n dandy. smile

Ahh I just fixed mine. My Perl version is 5.20 I think but that's not the issue, it was indeed the Linux::DesktopFiles perl module, in the ascii upgrade you must have gotten it automagically?

The Linux::DesktopFiles perl module versioning itself is different from the Perl version, Trizen has a new version (.25) of it as another project on github.

Sooooo....to upgrade my existing obmenu-generator, I downloaded the .zip of his perl module here: https://github.com/trizen/Linux-DesktopFiles, and extracted, opened a terminal and ran commands to build/install:

 perl Build.PL
     ./Build
     ./Build test
     ./Build install

Which upgraded me to .25 module, I then unpacked the obmenu-generator folder and replaced just the script itself in /usr/bin and it fired right up.

Maybe this will help someone that has an existing obmenu-generator install to upgrade to latest script.

#1248 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-11-25 21:38:46

MiyoLinux wrote:
greenjeans wrote:
MiyoLinux wrote:

Plus, it's version .84 of Obmenu-Generator...which (I believe) is the latest version?

I think it is, FYI the last version from August says it's version .99, and now this one is .84, so I don't think we can count on the numbers, lol.

Saw that note about locale support, interesting stuff.

Good grief...I've installed it three times through git, and it's been .84 each time.  tongue

Dd you also have to install the newer Perl module to use it? Won't work on my machine at the moment because my version of Linux::DesktopFiles is reporting as .12 and the new script requires .25

I think now the version .99 thing was a typo, it was supposed to be .79 I think, so that would explain that.

#1249 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-11-24 21:58:38

MiyoLinux wrote:

Plus, it's version .84 of Obmenu-Generator...which (I believe) is the latest version?

I think it is, FYI the last version from August says it's version .99, and now this one is .84, so I don't think we can count on the numbers, lol.

Saw that note about locale support, interesting stuff.

#1250 Re: Off-topic » Firefox Quantum » 2017-11-18 23:00:12

golinux wrote:
fungus wrote:

Dev1galaxy doesn't seem to have any of this, and the forum works just fine with scripts off.  Try reading an article in NYT or Guardian, and see how many sites are on to you.

We didn't just fall off the turnip truck . . .  wink

Yeah this site's great, my little python browser works great here.

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