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#1176 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Issues using "live" install on Thinkpad T410 » 2021-01-31 13:07:38
Hi all,
with some nearly unusable GUI widgets, like a drop-down containing every European TZ location (this should be a scroll-window), and the keyboard layout selection sends you on a circuitous journey just so you can tell it that yeah, the keyboard layout is the same as the (already chosen) locale.
This is the standard graphical debconf interface as the graphical install and the exact same language, time zone and keyboard settings in the debian/devuan installer or with dpkg-reconfigure. And yes, it is correct to set the keyboard separate from the language.
Many of the checkbox options are contradictory; for example I chose on one screen to disable the root account (btw - why does it say this is a bad idea!? It's a really good idea, and ought to be the default!) only to have the next ask me for a root password.
It only asks for a root password if you chose one of the options that preserves the root account. And making sudo the default is a really bad idea. Sudo is not meant to be a replacement for a root account, it's meant for fine-grained privilege escalation.
You probably would have done better with the live installer if you'd taken a look at the Installer Guide. It's the other devuan swoosh icon on the desktop. Or if you had just hit Enter at the second screen instead of clicking on Continue, you could have looked at the Help page.
The installer guide is also here for reference: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … f/live-gui
the hardware volume up/down/mute buttons don't work. TBH I don't think I tested them before removing pulseaudio, so I can't say if they were working or not, but they're defintely not working now. I can see that they generate the correct events with `acpi_listen`, but it seems nothing is listening to them? `lsmod` shows `thinkpad_acpi` is loaded, so that's not it.
In the Settings menu, go to Keyboard and Application Shortcuts and you can set up the volume keys to activate amixer. There are a few websites that explain how to get Thinkpad keys working in linux.
2) I was also surprised to see it ask me for an encryption password at boot; I'm used to the encrypted /home being automagically decrypted and mounted at log-on using ecryptfs (including encrypted swap). This should offer enough security for most users I would say, to hinder identity theft in case the laptop is lost or stolen. In any case I can't give the machine to my friend like this; he'd hate having to remember and type two different passwords to turn on his computer - or even the same one twice. I also didn't like how the installer (seemingly) forced me to use a separate partition for /home if I wanted it encrypted.
You have a few choices with this installer. You can install everything in one partition and have it encrypted. Your /boot directory will be part of the encypted partition. You will have to tell grub the passphrase to open it and start the boot. You will then have to repeat it for the kernel. This is referred to as full disk encryption, and it's a new feature in grub to be able ot deal with encrypted /boot.
You can encrypt the root filesystem and have /boot in a separate partition, unencrytped. You then have to give the passphrase during boot. Once.
You can optionally have a separate partition for /home. It's not mandatory, and I usually skip it on a laptop. If you choose to encrypt the separate /home, you will need to enter a passphrase for it, whether or not the root filesystem is encrypted. If you want to eliminate adding the second passphrase, you can create a key and have /home open automatically. This is only secure if the key is kept in an encrypted root filesystem (or a removable device).
I cannot get the laptop to sleep when I close the lid.
I found that it works just fine when you upgrade to chimaera, which is still in testing. Search the forum. There are a couple of discussions on how to get it working in earlier releases.
#1177 Re: Devuan » devuan and LTS » 2021-01-29 22:18:48
Security updates are sometimes late in devuan because amprolla gets confused when it sometimes gets a 404 on a debian repo. When this happens, it's usually discovered and fixed within a few days. You've probably seen the discussions on this forum about it.
There are people working on this, and based on something I was told a few days ago, it might already be fixed.
#1178 Re: Devuan » devuan and LTS » 2021-01-29 20:50:53
Pedro, you probably don't want to read this.
mckaygerhard wrote:
again talking without well knowed ! everybody can have free access to those security updates..
Either you don't know what you are talking about or you are deliberately spreading misinformation. I think it's the latter. You said that Debian offers 7 years of support. That is simply not true.
You don't know what goes on here. You just come by every now and then to throw shit on the project. Are you getting paid to do this? I don't have the time or desire to track down and identify all your alternate "facts". So I now have to assume that everything you say is false.
#1179 Re: Devuan » devuan and LTS » 2021-01-29 13:27:46
Thanks. I wasn't aware that a private company is offering commercial support for Debian, but I'm not surprised by that. If someone wants to form a private company to offer extended support for Devuan users, they are welcome to do so. I don't think it's fair to fault the dozen or so devs we have for not doing that.
Extended Long Term Support (ELTS) is a commercial offering to further extend the lifetime of Debian releases (after the 5 years offered by the LTS project). It is not an official Debian project. Debian's infrastructure and other Debian resources are not involved.
#1180 Re: Devuan » devuan and LTS » 2021-01-29 11:35:28
and Devuan as i know still are only 5 years of support,, Debian has 3+2 + ExLTS in a total of 7 years..
I've never heard of this before. Does Debian have a secret server for companies that want the extra two years of support? How does one go about getting that? Or is it only systemd that they support for the extra two years? That would explain why it's not in Devuan.
Do you even know how Devuan gets its packages? Have you heard of amprolla?
FYI: 99% of packages in the Devuan repository are not in the Devuan repository. When you understand that, you will have attained some level of enlightenment.
#1181 Re: Off-topic » A peek into the future of distros » 2021-01-27 18:28:10
A universal package manager with a single repository where anyone can push
WTF???
polkit and apparmor — granular...
security uploaded by anyone. Right.
That all being said, I hope devuan will last for another 4-5 years the way it is at least... if not forever.
Buster/Beowulf has another year before it moves into LTS. Then figure another two before Bullseye/Chimaera moves to LTS. You could easily add another year or two to that, so we are potentially up to 5 years. Chimaera is already working pretty well, and Bullseye has gone into soft freeze, so I feel confident that it can't get screwed up too badly for us to fix and use it.
#1182 Re: ARM Builds » sshd via wlan0 only if ethernet cable is plugged - otherwise no sshd » 2021-01-27 18:15:20
I've never played with arm images, so I guess that's why this problem seems so foreign to me. Please say exactly which iso or image you used. If you'd like, I could move this thread to the arm section of the forum where it might get more attention (from someone who knows more about arm than I do).
When I suggested setting up static ip for the pi, I meant in /etc/network/interfaces. Setting it up on an external device won't do anything to bring up the interface, it will only allow it to have an address when it asks for one. Is there anything other than the loopback entry in the interfaces file?
dpkg -l |egrep "network-manager|connman|wicd|ceni"will tell if one of those is installed.
#1183 Re: ARM Builds » sshd via wlan0 only if ethernet cable is plugged - otherwise no sshd » 2021-01-27 15:56:44
Wow, this all sounds so wrong.
ifup/down works with interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
ssh starts and stops according to the links in /etc/rc?.d which are defined in the init script, /etc/init.d/ssh. It does not care about ip addresses or interfaces. Check your system logs to see if you can figure out why ssh is not running.
If you're going to always use wireless on this device with the same local network, you could set up a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces. If you have any network management software installed (n-m, wicd, connman, etc.) you should remove it so it doesn't fight with your static config.
#1184 Re: Other Issues » [solved] refractainstaller - multi_key not working? » 2021-01-19 14:39:08
I just find this strange behaviour, it seems the netinstall iso install just disrgarded the compose key and ctrl_alt_backspace setting that i put in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration but the refractainstall took it?
Refractainstaller runs dpkg-reconfigure in the running live system, and then the changes get copied along with the rest of the system. I'm not sure how devuan/debian installer does it. I think it just stores the values and edits the target file, but it's also possible it does it in a chroot. Either way, I don't know why the two installers would give different results.
#1185 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » severe sound problems with audacity » 2021-01-19 02:30:52
I can reproduce this error. You need to start jack or set audacity to use alsa. (or maybe pulseaudio if you use that.)
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
jack server is not running or cannot be started#1186 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Torrent not working » 2021-01-19 01:27:30
New torrent files:
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf.torrent
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii.torrent
We're using these trackers now:
udp://9.rarbg.me:2710
udp://tracker.opentrackr.org:1337
udp://tracker.cyberia.is:6969
#1187 Re: Other Issues » [solved] refractainstaller - multi_key not working? » 2021-01-18 18:33:42
refractainstaller runs 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' and that's all it does with keyboard. It copies the running system to the hard drive. It does not add or remove packages.
refractasnapshot excludes selected files, but it does not add or remove packages. See /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/snapshot_exclude.list
Maybe something to do with locale settings? I'm just guessing.
#1188 Re: Other Issues » [solved] refractasnapshot live session login loop » 2021-01-15 11:17:44
Yes, you could add a boot paramater instead of removing that live-config script. To test on the fly, press TAB at the isolinux boot menu or 'e' at the grub boot menu to edit the boot command.
To change the templates for the boot menus, so you don't have to edit them on every build, look in /usr/lib/refractasnapshot
#1189 Re: Other Issues » [solved] refractasnapshot live session login loop » 2021-01-15 03:50:17
Autologin is controlled by the display manager, and if there isn't one, startx is run from
/etc/profile.d/zz-live-config_xinit.sh
That file is created by /lib/live/config/0140-xinit
You could remove that file before making a snapshot, or comment out a few lines of code in that script. I think it will also work to add a boot option:
nocomponents=xinit#1190 Re: Devuan Derivatives » No networking on Refracta OS and then Refracta Snapshot issue on Mint » 2021-01-14 22:50:30
If there's a way to tell the computer to boot from usb, then it should ignore any bootloaders on the hard drive.
Boot loop usually means kernel and initramfs are missing. Mount the iso and look inside the live folder. There should be filesystem.squashf along with kernel and initramfs. And if the file names are different, make sure the boot menu has the right names.
#1191 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Refracta-SnapShot - EFI Questions - Solved » 2021-01-10 12:32:53
If you chose force_efi, then I assume your host system boots in legacy bios mode. Make sure both grub-pc.bin and grub-efi-amd64.bin installed. And you'll need to have a copy of the not-installed grub package in the root of the system (or somewhere else if you specify the location in the config file.)
I like to install grub-efi-amd64 in the system and put the grub-pc deb package in the root, so it's available during installation on bios sytems. It works the opposite way, too, but if grub-efi is the one that's installed, then you will also have efibootmgr in the live system. That will make life easier if you boot on a uefi system.
dpkg -l |grep grub
Check to make sure there are two partitions in the iso.
fdisk -l <snapshot.iso>
#1192 Re: Installation » How is it possible that Java update breaks Trinity DE? » 2021-01-10 01:18:45
I have no idea what would do that.
Look in /var/log/apt/history.log to see what really got installed or removed.
#1193 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » /etc/os-release clarification ? » 2021-01-08 16:20:09
nm. If you saw what was here, forget it. It was wrong.
#1194 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » /etc/os-release clarification ? » 2021-01-08 12:44:13
If you're using grub-efi-amd64-signed and have ID=devuan in /etc/os-release, you'll boot to a grub prompt instead of a boot menu. That's because grub will expect the signed bootloader to be found under /boot/efi/EFI/debian, but your bootloader will be in /boot/efi/EFI/devuan instead.
Some third-party software that expects to see debian might complain or refuse to install. I don't have an example.
There's also /etc/issue, which is in most linux distros.
#1195 Re: Devuan Derivatives » No networking on Refracta OS and then Refracta Snapshot issue on Mint » 2021-01-08 10:02:43
I realize I didn't give you a link to the test iso I mentioned. See if you can get the network up with this iso. It has a newer kernel which will work with newer hardware.
https://get.refracta.org/files/experime … 9_0205.iso
#1196 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Beowulf Netinst Lacks Wireless Firmware iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode » 2021-01-07 12:41:18
You missed one option:
4. Ignore the question and continue. The driver will be installed automatically unless you choose expert install and exclude non-free software.
If we remove that question, then those people who need certain broadcom firmware will be stuck.
I can confirm that iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode is in firmware-iwlwifi in jessie, beowulf and chimaera.
#1197 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Using secure boot » 2021-01-05 22:25:09
If it doesn't work out of the box, check that the bootloader directory in /boot/efi/EFI/ is named debian. If not, you might need to change ID=devuan to ID=debian in /etc/os-release and then reinstall the bootloader.
#1198 Re: Devuan Derivatives » No networking on Refracta OS and then Refracta Snapshot issue on Mint » 2021-01-05 20:32:02
1. On devuan you have to edit /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn to get sound.
On Refracta, that's not an option because pulseaudio is not installed. Sound works out of the box in most cases. What does aplay -l show? Is the hardware too new for the debian kernel?
2. Not enough info to diagnose the problem. Check the log. Maybe delete the work directory if you're saving it between runs. Maybe something got mangled there and it's not getting cleard on subsequent runs.
#1199 Devuan Derivatives » Refracta no-X chimaera pre-beta isos » 2021-01-02 17:56:43
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Pre-Beta No-X isos for Refracta-11 (Chimaera)
https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/
I decided it's time to start making chimaera isos, so here are the preliminary refracta11 isos. They have all the usual command-line utilities and tweaks found in Refracta. No desktop (yet).
Full package list: https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ … e_list.txt
You probably won't need these:
Login: user
Password: user
root password: root
Happy New Year!
Edit: Oh yeah, wicd is gone. For now, it's replaced with ceni. Run 'Ceni' (with the upper-case C) to set up network.
#1200 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [Ceres] Xfce 4.16 » 2020-12-30 13:30:55
In English, the name changed from Preferred Applications to Default Applications, and in the Settings manager, it got moved from the Personal section to the System section.
I had to upgrade my ceres to get 4.16 and xfce4-settings was held back to 4.14. At that point, Preferred applications was missing, but I don't know if Default applications was there. I upgraded xfce4-settings to 4.16 and restarted the destkop before I noticed it.
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