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#1076 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] apt and residual files » 2021-10-30 11:45:44

Hello:

hevidevi wrote:

... understand why now ...

Quite so ...
Result of not enough (or too much) coffee.  8^|

hevidevi wrote:

use dpkg -l like so to search for unneeded config files.

dpkg -l | grep ^rc

Yes.
Came up empty, as it should.

hevidevi wrote:

then remove them like this.

sudo apt purge "~c"    <-- double quotes.

Nothing to purge.

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

@Altoid, perhaps you where thinking
apt list --installed

Hmm ..

No, I was quite evidently not thinking, at least not coherently.

I started doing it right ie: with dpkg -l ...  but at some point wandered into apt list | grep residual ...  8^|
What else could have come up but a file named "residual"?

Thank you both for your input.
Have a good week-end.

Best,

A.

#1077 Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] apt and residual files » 2021-10-29 18:06:59

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

I run Devuan Beowulf on an Asus 1000HE netbook, used only for coffee roasting duty or to take along if I am out of town.

root@eee-dev3:~# uname -a
Linux eee-dev3 4.19.0-18-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.19.208-1 (2021-09-29) i686 GNU/Linux
root@eee-dev3:~# 

Being rather limited (Atom 280+2Gb), I try to keep it thin and free of stuff I don't need/want.

Recently I cleaned up a lot of residual files but I have come across a couple of rather stubborn ones:

root@eee-dev3:~# apt list | grep residual
residualvm-data/oldstable 0.3.1+dfsg-1 all
residualvm/oldstable 0.3.1+dfsg-1 i386
root@eee-dev3:~# 

I have no idea as to where these two came from as I have never installed anything related to them.
eg: 3D games, etc. 

I cannot seem to get a reasonable answer to this:

oot@eee-dev3:~# apt remove --purge residualvm
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Package 'residualvm' is not installed, so not removed
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
root@eee-dev3:~# 
oot@eee-dev3:~# aptitude why residualvm
Not currently installed
The candidate version 0.3.1+dfsg-1 has priority optional
No dependencies require to install residualvm
root@eee-dev3:~# 

Independently of how this file happened to be (?) in my system, how can I get rid of it?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1078 Desktop and Multimedia » xorg-server 21.1.0 - Final release » 2021-10-27 12:27:39

Altoid
Replies: 8

Hello:

Good news ...
Just received this in my inbox.

---

This is the final release of X server 21.1. There has been just one fix since
the second RC and at this time there are no known regressions since the 1.20
release series.

I expect that increased usage after the final release may still uncover
something interesting, so there is a potential for subsequent 21.1.1 patch
being released in the coming weeks rather than after the usual interval of
several months.

Notable changes since 1.20 include:

  - The meson support is now fully mature. While autotools support will still be
  kept for this release series, it will be dropped afterwards.

  - Glamor support for Xvfb.

  - Variable refresh rate support in the modesetting driver.

  - XInput 2.4 support which adds touchpad gestures.
 
  - DMX DDX has been removed.
 
  - X server now correctly reports display DPI in more cases. This may affect
  rendering of client applications that have their own workarounds for hi-DPI
  screens.

  - A large number of small features and various bug fixes.

Note that since 21.1 series XWayland is released separately and thus this
release does not include it.

--- snip ---

---

git tag: xorg-server-21.1.0

https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … 1.0.tar.gz
https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … 1.0.tar.gz

Best,

A.

#1079 Re: Devuan » As Debian 11 moves closer to Devuan. Is there any reason to stay on De » 2021-10-22 14:09:49

Hello:

rdav wrote:

... Debian hybrid Systemd-SysV-OpenRC gives me the creeps.
I can't see a reason to move.

+10
Because there is none.

But most important: the OPs original question has_already_been_answered (very wisely) by one of our admins.

golinux wrote:

Trust is a fragile thing and not easy to repair. 
It's about more than code ...

As far as I am concerned, golinux's answer was more than enough.
What else was needed?

I cannot believe time and resources are still being wasted on this thread, three pages long and started eight months ago.

A thread to justify/question Devuan's existence and what it stands for?
Absurd.

A.

#1081 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File manager -> directory not valid » 2021-10-21 12:34:40

Hello:

JWM-Kit wrote:

... would guess this is related to whatever service pcmanfm uses to mount drives.

This is what I have installed:

groucho@devuan:~$ apt list | grep installed | grep ud
--- snip ---
udev/oldstable,now 1:3.2.9+devuan4 amd64 [installed]
udiskie/oldstable,oldstable,now 1.7.7-1 all [installed]
udisks2/oldstable,now 2.8.1-4+devuan1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
groucho@devuan:~$ 

But none of these are listed as dependencies for PCManFM.

Now that I know what is going on, it is not much of a problem, but I do consider it to be a bug.

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1082 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File manager -> directory not valid » 2021-10-21 11:41:17

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

Any ideas?

Seems not.

It took me a good while as I was not able to find anything about this on the web (maybe was not looking properly?).
So I resorted to a trial and error method.

The answer:

If a device shown in Devices is not mounted, instead of getting the expected pop-up ie: Authentication required to mount XXXX nnnnn (/dev/sdxN), you get the error I made reference to in my OP.

This is something that had not occurred to me: the expected behaviour is that you get the pop-up asking for the credentials or at the very least a pop-up saying that the user is not allowed to mount the bloody device instead of one saying that the specified directory is not valid.   

Why is this so?
No idea.

Is it a bug?
Probably.

Posted.
https://sourceforge.net/p/pcmanfm/bugs/1129/

Let's see what happens.

Best,

A.

#1083 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Devuan 4 Chimaera / SLiM and WiCD » 2021-10-21 02:52:40

Hello:

golinux wrote:

... believe that relates to accessibility features ...

Ahh ...
That accessibility.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
So many things one takes for granted in life ...  8^|

golinux wrote:

Someone on the team is attempting to port it to python3.

Good to know.

The Devuan Package Information page shows this:

wicd
1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan2
http://deb.devuan.org/merged  chimaera-proposed-updates/main amd64
http://deb.devuan.org/merged  chimaera-proposed-updates/main i386
http://deb.devuan.org/merged  chimaera-proposed-updates/main arm64
http://deb.devuan.org/merged  chimaera-proposed-updates/main ppc64el

And the wicd home page says:

Awaking from deep sleep
Written for wicd by Andreas Messer on 2021-10-14

The wicd project has been in state of deep sleep for a while now while Python, GTK continue to develop. I'm trying to get it back on track. This will need several major changes to its code base and will take some time.

The previous entry in the Announcements was from 2014-12-21, almost seven years ago.
Seems more like a coma than deep sleep.

I'm in no hurry to leave Beowulf, so I can wait.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Best,

A.

#1084 Desktop and Multimedia » Devuan 4 Chimaera / SLiM and WiCD » 2021-10-21 01:09:56

Altoid
Replies: 5

Hello:

I have just been reading Devuan 4 Chimaera Release Notes and saw two things that called my attention:

1.

Note that slim (the default Display Manager for xfce) is not
accessible. Be sure to install lightdm or gdm3 if you require an
accessible Display Manager.

Q: why is this so?
It works perfectly well in Beowulf, why not in Chimaera?

The Devuan Package Information page says it is available for chimera, daedalus and ceres:

slim
1.3.6-5.2+devuan1
http://deb.devuan.org/merged  ceres/main amd64
http://deb.devuan.org/merged  daedalus/main  amd64
http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64

2.
wicd

Wicd is no longer available in Devuan 4 Chimaera having been removed
from Debian Bullseye because of it's dependency on python2 which is now
obsolete.

I have always liked wicd, other conneciton managers I tried gave me endless grief.

I think I have other applications that depend on python2 ...

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1085 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File manager -> directory not valid » 2021-10-20 12:40:58

Hello:

Bump ...

Posted to the PCManFM sub-forum at LXDE and the only answer received suggested I was probably posting to the wrong forum as Devuan Beowulf installs with Xfce and not lxde (!!!) and directed me back here.  8^D

https://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f= … e85d2bfbd0

Altoid wrote:

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1086 Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File manager -> directory not valid » 2021-10-16 21:43:37

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

On my Devuan Beowulf installation with a backported kernel ...

groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1 (2021-02-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$

... when I open the filemanager (PCManFM 1.3.1) and go to the Devices folder, I can see all my drives.

But when I click on any of them I get this:

Error
The specified directory 'computer:///
Hitachi%HTS543216L9SA00.drive' is not valid

The taskbar for this example reads: computer:/Hitachi HTS543216L9SA00: 160 GB Volume

I think there is something wrong here but I can't find what it could be.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1087 Desktop and Multimedia » xorg-server Xorg 21.1.0 - second release candidate » 2021-10-14 15:16:25

Altoid
Replies: 0

Hello:

Received this update this morning, seems it is coming along fine.

----

This is the second release candidate of Xorg 21.1.0 release.
We have a number of fixes since the first RC.

Alex Richardson (1):
       dix/privates.c: Avoid undefined behaviour after realloc()

Mario Kleiner (6):
       xfree86: Avoid crash in xf86RandR12CrtcSetGamma() memcpy path.
       xfree86: Let xf86RandR12CrtcComputeGamma() deal with non-power-of-2 sizes.
       Revert "modesetting: Only use GAMMA_LUT if its size is 1024"
       modesetting: Enable GAMMA_LUT for lut's with up to 4096 slots.
       modesetting: Handle mixed VRR and non-VRR display setups better.
       modesetting: Consider RandR primary output for selectioh of sync crtc.

Olivier Fourdan (1):
       glamor: Fix leak in glamor_build_program()

Povilas Kanapickas (1):
       xserver 21.1 RC 2

Ray Strode (1):
       xkb: Drop check for XkbSetMapResizeTypes

nerdopolis (1):
       xf86: Accept devices with the 'simpledrm' driver.

git tag: xorg-server-21.0.99.902

https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … 902.tar.gz
SHA256: 11d8f4bb405bfb0ebed23fb524ff355dcc9fa5013fcb32557eb733b09297ce51

---

Best,

A.

#1088 Re: Off-topic » It's a sad day . . . » 2021-10-09 12:41:55

Hello:

golinux wrote:

Not quite sure what that says about Devuan . . .

Indeed ...

I'd add that there are 10 pages of unanswered posts to which no one had anything to say.
The last two pages being from this year.

Best,

A.

#1089 Desktop and Multimedia » xorg-server Xorg 21.1.0 - first release candidate since 1.20.0 » 2021-09-22 00:52:46

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

Just a heads-up.

Got this in my inbox this evening from xorg-announce@lists.x.org:

Povilas Kanapickas wrote:

This is the first release candidate of Xorg 21.1.0 release.
Notable changes since 1.20 include:

  - The meson support is now fully mature. While autotools support will still be
  kept for this release series, it will be dropped afterwards.

  - Glamor support for Xvfb.

  - Variable refresh rate support in the modesetting driver.

  - XInput 2.4 support which adds touchpad gestures.
 
  - DMX DDX has been removed.
 
  - X server now correctly reports display DPI in more cases which may affect
  rendering of client applications on hi-DPI screens.

  A large number of small features and various bug fixes.

Note that since 21.1 series XWayland is released separately and thus this
release does not include it.

I expect to push subsequent release candidates roughly every two weeks.

The following is a full changelog since xserver 1.20.0. ...

--- snip ---

The changelog follows, long-ish as would be expected from such an upgrade. ie: 1.20.0 -> 21.1.0
The X.org site most surely has the details if anyone is interested in the details.

Seems that TEM was quite right.  8^D
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26536#p26536

ToxicExMachina wrote:

It's FUD from Microsoft related company. X.org is still alive.

X.org is indeed still alive.

Best,

A.

#1090 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-15 12:40:10

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:
Altoid wrote:

ie: Does it write to the conf file?

No it doesn't. It bypasses xorg.conf completely.

I found this bit at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Displa … _Signaling

Note:
XScreenSaver and xfce4-power-manager use their own DPMS settings and override xset configuration.

See XScreenSaver#DPMS https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XScree … g_settings

and

Xfce#Display blanking https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xfce#Display_blanking

To note for anyone using Xfce:

XScreenSaver
If xscreensaver is installed and runs alongside Xfce Power Manager, it may not be clear which application is in control of blanking and DPMS as both are competing for control of the same settings. Therefore, in a situation where it is important that the monitor not be blanked (when watching a video for instance), it is advisable to disable blanking and DPMS through both applications. To know more about XScreenSaver options, see XScreenSaver#DPMS and blanking settings.

Hmm ...
... competing for control of the same settings.

A classic case of right hand not knowing what left one does or too many fingers in the pie.
Maybe a bit of both, you'd think the chaps at Xfce would be a bit more careful.

As my WS is not dependent on battery power, I long ago decided to get rid of xfce4-power-manager and all associated files.

Cheers,

A.

#1091 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-14 22:44:56

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... bypasses xorg.conf completely.

Interesting ...

Thanks.
I'll give it a read.

Dutch_Master wrote:

... need to figure out which system boot script would be the best ...

I guess (?) you could write up a script, save it to /usr/local/bin/ and put it in your /etc/rc.local so it will run.
eg: this is the stuff I have in mine, with comments.

groucho@devuan:~$ cat /etc/rc.local
#!/bin/sh -e
#
# rc.local
#
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
# Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
# value on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
# bits.
#
# By default this script does nothing.
#
# to set all /proc/acpi/wakeup entries to 'disabled'
# no wakeup from S4 for anything
# does not survire reboot that's why it is here
# see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29113#p29113
#
/usr/local/bin/acpi_wakeups.sh
#
# to disable wol via ethtool at boot
# does not survire reboot that's why it is here
#
# /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 wol d
#
# 20210602 - changed for script in /usr/local/bin
# see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4349 
#
# /usr/local/bin/no_wol.sh
#
# e1000e module is now patched to disable WoL
# see /usr/src/e1000e-patch 1001
groucho@devuan:~$ 
Dutch_Master wrote:

May take a while I'm afraid ...

Nah!
Try the rc thing, should work.
The trick is to write the script with the correct syntax.  8^|

Best,

CIV

#1092 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-14 20:33:06

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... forgotten about DPMS and a quick search on the web gave me the command

xset dpms 0 0 0 && xset s noblank  && xset s off #as root!

I wonder how that command relates to the settings in xorg.conf.
ie: Does it write to the conf file?

Could you please post the link where you got the information?

TIA.

Best,

A.

#1093 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-14 11:56:56

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

Plain Beowulf+Mate install.

I run Beowulf on a backported kernel, Xfce and a three monitor setup:

Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1 (2021-02-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux

It uses two Nvidia FX 580 (G96GL) cards and Nvidia proprietary legacy drivers.

I set up my xorg.conf file with DPMS set to disabled:

Section "Screen"
    Identifier     "ScreenLeft"      <- same for "ScreenCenter and "ScreenRight" 
    Device         "DeviceLeft"
    Monitor        "Monitor0"
    DefaultDepth    24
    Option         "DPMS" "False"
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes      "1280x1024"
    EndSubSection
EndSection

 
This is clearly reflected in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:

groucho@devuan:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i dpms
[    33.335] (**) Extension "DPMS" is disabled
groucho@devuan:~$ 

In addition to all this, if I run Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver (XscreenSaver 5.42) I get a pop-up that says   

Warning:
The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0".
Launch it now?

My three monitors are 2x SyncMaster 940n + a Dell P1914S in the centre.

One would think that none of them would blank at all, no?

Well, one of the SyncMaster 940n units ("ScreenLeft" in xorg.conf) turns off after a while.   

No idea why and does not really matter but ....

Best,

A.

#1094 Re: Other Issues » recommend a good email prgram » 2021-09-09 11:28:33

Hello:

durham wrote:

... what is everyone using as their email program?

Everyone? 
Nope, probably just me. 8^)

In my previous life as a MS OS user (DOS5.5 / W3.11 -> XPSP3), after a short run with the free version of Eudora, I switched to Pegasus Mail in early 1996.

Many years later, being able to use Pegasus Mail under Linux (via Wine) was one of the two deal-breaking programmes that made it possible to make a seamless switch to Linux and leave the MS OS environment for good, the other was Judd Montgomery's JPilot.

Once comfortably settled within Linux, I tried out most if not all the available options but none were good enough, Claws-Mail coming close.
But it simply did not have the same functionality I have come to appreciate in David Harris' free albeit not open source programme.

This year marks the 25th. I have been using Pegasus Mail and can only say it is quite solid and reliable, has never let me down.

Just my $0.02.

Best,

A.

#1095 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Wicd in Chimaera (It's not, but...) » 2021-08-23 22:06:49

Hello:

golinux wrote:

PLEASE keep this thread focused on the possibility of running wicd in Chimaera.

+1
Thank you.

A.

#1096 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-31 13:57:54

Hello:

Yes, I know ...

But old habits die hard, very.  8^/

But thanks for the heads up.
Eventually, I guess.

Best,

A.

BTW:
I see a chap by the name of Andy Tanenbaum has an entry there.
I have not ever been around Unix and have only 10 years or so in Linux.

But reading the page made me wonder: Is this Tanenbaum (genetically or otherwise) related to systemd's Poettering?
Just curious ...

A.

#1097 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-30 15:49:18

Hello:

GlennW wrote:

No, that's what I have to do.

I see.

So ...
You want to do su - and be sent directly to / without the cd / bit.
Sorry, it seems that I've reached my pay grade limit.  8^|

GlennW wrote:

... thank you for trying ...

You're welcome.

Best,

A.

#1098 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-30 13:28:25

Hello:

GlennW wrote:
glenn@GamesBox ~ $ cat /etc/default/su
ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes
glenn@GamesBox ~ $ 

Right ...
Now, open the terminal and do ...

~ $ su -

That should get you to /root.

And from there you can cd / to /.

Is that what you meant to do?

Best,

A.

#1099 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-30 10:24:45

Hello:

GlennW wrote:

Thank you ...

You're welcome.

GlennW wrote:

this is what I have...

glenn@GamesBox ~ $ su
Password: 
root@GamesBox:/home/glenn# 

Open a terminal and do ...

~ $ cat /etc/default/su

Please post the output.

Best,

A.

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