Posts by zapper

zapper · Devuan

golinux wrote:

GNU wrote:
What is the issue with ascii and ceres?
Amprolla, that is responsible for the Devuan repos, sometimes lags a bit behind the Debian repos. There are also more packages that need attention as systemd expands its reach. Focus now is on Jessie. Feel free to join in the effort.

Devuan ceres looks pretty freakin stable to me.

I just used it and my only error from updating was thunderbird wouldn't work for some reason. So I used icedove and for some reason that worked... weird but true...

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

golinux wrote:

Are you talking about https://gnuetertics.org? If so you should probably correct the spelling in the title.

thanks for the feedback my bad...

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

I would like a fully free devuan based 64 bit distro aka libre.

The sooner the better! If you would be willing to do this I will put my money where my mouth is.

edit: if this is a bad spot for my thread, feel free to move it elsewhere, I didn't really think before I posted.

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

zapper wrote:
…/dev/mapper/gnuinos--vg-root does not exist …
(just guessing, after quick search)
… kernel issue?
… initramfs without lvm support?
I just (added it to a USB flash device that boots with GrUB4dOS, and) ran it live.
(vm envy)

I also tried the jessie image of gnuinos didn't have that problem although,

Gnuinos still has some freedom issues, such as firefox having pocket enabled...

and that it has firefox and not a derivative like icecat or even waterfox which still wouldn't be completely free due to the eme being visible and a nonfree repository aka mozilla addons.

I guess my point is, gnuinos needs some work. Still I am hopeful that this or gnueretics will produce something worth while in the future.

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

Login screen says Debian 8; I saw no shutdown/restart/suspend/etc options on it
Installer insists on adding bootloader (but respects redirection to partition), starts copying files without warning O_o
Good: Lxde, Customize Look & Feel; light & dark themes respected by Synaptic
I'm not familiar with simpleNetAid; only-connection "ens35" failed to (find device,) connect
¿Does this assume an internet connection will be present and active on boot?

For me, it makes a bunch of errors, and eventually drops to busybox.

heh...

also blk-update request fails
missing modules /cat/proc/modules

/dev/mapper/gnuinos--vg-root does not exist dropping to a shell!

ps I use libreboot so I am curious if that is why this happened...

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

γραφω λογον wrote:

zapper wrote:
fsmithred wrote:
Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.
http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%20Ascii/
Hmm... sure I can try it if you want. tell me though, does this image appear in qemu form? If it does, or if you can tell me how to convert it to qemu form, I will test it gladly.
This is what I do:
qemu-img create -f qcow2 name-of.img 100g
In the directory where you made your image put your iso and:
sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) -cdrom (name of image, i.e., gnuinos.iso) -boot d name-of.img
To start the image after install do:
sudo kvm -m (amount of memory for VM, i.e. 2048) name-of.img
HTH

This helps enormously. thank you! I really appreciate it.

Oh, by the way, any idea if, GNUinOS has the devuan ascii packages or not? Just curious when or if, I am still in the process of using qemu. I will let you know my findings...

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

fsmithred wrote:

Here's a test iso made from ascii that aitor just uploaded. This one will not boot into a live session, but if you could test the installer and report, it would be helpful. Thanks.
http://gnuinos.org/Gnuinos%20Ascii/

Hmm... sure I can try it if you want. tell me though, does this image appear in qemu form? If it does, or if you can tell me how to convert it to qemu form, I will test it gladly.

I hope it will work for arm in the future btw, eoma68-a20 as my reason of course c201 chromebook asus is also a good reason. not as good though.

there may be others though, but for me, eoma68 needs this.

64 bit processors will be supported in the future though right?

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

pekman wrote:

Very great project

I really hope the maintainer of this project brings in devuan 9 at some point.

zapper · Devuan Derivatives

aitor wrote:

Hi pekman,
First of all, thanks for your interest taken in Gnuinos. I'm the author of this distribution, and now i'm working on some applications in gtk. One of them is a new GUI for the backend of simple-netaid. Here you are the code:
https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple … ree/master
and here you are a video, comparing the behaviour of the status icon with the status icon of the original GUI (written in freepascall):
http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk_2.mpg
The active wifis will be shown at real time in the future, as you can see in the following video:
http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk.mpg
But, at the time being, there will be a "refresh" button for that, because i have to fix a Segmentation fault.
Another project is a new menu for openbox (also in Gtk), dynamic and multilingual. Here you are a video:
http://gnuinos.org/openbox-menu1.mpg
This menu will have also a static header (still not included), containing items like "gmrun", "terminal", "web-browser", etc... and a static footer, containig as a final item the "Exit" option (at the same developed in gtk, i.e. a new openbox-logout).
I'll also work on a device-manager-gui, for umout/eject, mount/open... external devices.
Shortly i'll start learning "amprolla", developed by Nextime. Gnuinos will use amprolla, vdev, simple-netaid and linux-libre (and OpenRC, maybe). So, the release of Gnuinos will take some time
Cheers,
Aitor.

I sent you an email, I hope you will succeed. Also, I hope you can get stallman on board for supporting you.

ps, why does it say it hasn't been updated for a while anyways?
just curious because on your website it looks like it has been two years since it has been updated, i mean the iso...

Aitor, I wish you the best of luck.

zapper · Off-topic

lazlo wrote:

There is a lot I could say about this news article, but I'll let it speak for itself.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/0 … _accounts/
I will say "Thank You!" to everyone involved with Devuan, from the dev team all the way down to the forum staff and my fellow users. With out all of your efforts GNU/Linux would be on a dead end road to over complexity, mediocrity, insecurity, and instability.
lazlo

Mediocrity, complexity, mediocrity, insecurity, and instability?

That sounds like proprietary operating systems... which reminds me...

how can something libre like systemd be as crappy as proprietary software?

That is some feat to make libre software suck as much as proprietary software.

Not a good one though, very awful, but a feat nonetheless...

zapper · News & Announcements

golinux wrote:

gorisis wrote:
Hello,
I would like to donate a amount of money on behalf of my company. Will I receive a statement or document I can put in my accountancy?
Many thanks for your work on Devuan.
Issa
Hi gorisis . . .
Thank you for supporting Devuan! If you need a special receipt other than the one from transferring funds from your account, you should talk to jaromil at freedom at devuan dot org to see if that's possible.

I am not experienced enough to do coding yet, but I wish there was an option for donating annually. I would gladly do that.

zapper · Installation

golinux wrote:

@zapper . . . you can email members of this forum (if they allow it) from their user info on any post or from their user profie.

Ah okay, Thanks. I will try then.

zapper · Installation

Dev1 wrote:

Stop dreamin !

This isn't a dream, I just gave him instructions. Although he should be aware that it just because it works for me doesn't mean it will work as well for him. Or at least that's what I am inclined to think, I could be wrong...

zapper · Installation

If I could give you an attachment, I would...
but since I cannot on the forum or mail-list
I will make it simple, you need three certain packages from a later version...

libfdisk1_2.29.2-1+devuan1_amd64.deb
util-linux_2.29.2-1+devuan1_amd64.deb
sysvinit-utils_2.88dsf-59.9_amd64.deb

then you install initscripts from proposed upgrades for devuan ascii.

then type: sudo apt install -s openrc

just to see if I am correct.

if I am, you install it. simple yes?

I think so anyways..

to install the first three packages, use dpkg instead of gdebi or it will utterly fail each time.

ps, if you give me your email, I can send them to you. It can be an alias if you prefer... I will pm you if you want.
also, I would install initscripts with aptitude and finally, let us know if you fail. By us, I mean the community.

if you need those three packages, I have them.

zapper · Other Issues

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

I am hoping to use that for the purpose of learning more about devuan and gnu/linux as a whole.

Whenever I get it anyways...

Can you perhaps tell me if this will be feasible in the future?

Also, is it possible to remove the 4,9 kernel and install linux libre 4.1 in its place and remove 4.9 so that when it reboots,
the 4.9 kernel doesn't cause any problems...

I was told 4.9 kernel + arm a20 do not mix well...

Any thoughts about this?

Edit: can devuan unstable run on 3.16? it seems linux libre 4.1 will be gone by the end of september...

zapper · Devuan

GNUser wrote:

linijkarz wrote:
If your hardware is not capable [of running with only free software] - you always have the option of installing requiring firmware but you have to specifically request it's installation.
This is a necessary step to ensure that Debian/Devuan can reach to as many people as possible and It's a very good compromise.
Well said! I'm totally sold on the advantages of free software (my laptop only runs software from the main repository, has libreboot instead of BIOS, and router runs LibreCMC) but I have to concede that Debian/Devuan's compromise makes more sense (for reason above) than completely eliminating the contrib and non-free repositories just to get an endorsement from the FSF.
By the way, a major reason why many people need proprietary firmware is for wifi. However, it is simple to swap a laptop's free software-unfriendly wireless card (e.g., Intel cards requiring firmware-iwlwifi) for one that is freedom-friendly such as the Penguin Wireless N half height mini PCIe card (available here), which uses the ath9k* module. I've done this swap many times and it's very easy--equivalent to a RAM upgrade except that there are more screws to remove and put back. The only thing to do after the swap is to uninstall the non-free wireless firmware you were using before, since you don't need it anymore
* ath9k is free software and therefore comes baked-in with Devuan's default kernel as well as with the more strict linux-libre kernel.

While I agee with this reasoning, I must say, there should be a default devuan install with nonfree and contrib disabled by default. Also, I think linux libre should be included as an option in devuan with obvious warnings of course! but yeah, if you have nonfree and contrib as options, you do get a larger base.

I just hope someday that isn't required to get a large following. heh.

zapper · Devuan

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

FOSSuser wrote:
…The manufacturer uses blobs …
… because they believe proprietary extremism works in their favor.
…
This may help. Until our hardware is as open as our software can be, we'll always be relying on the integrity of manufacturers.

Yes, EOMA68 is a good standard to support. That guy is the reason I use devuan and not debian now,

and debian as good as it was, is slower because of systemd. That and the concerns of security are why I ditched debian for devuan...

so thanks devuan developers for forking debian.

zapper · Devuan

pcalvert wrote:

Hi David,
Instead of an antivirus, considering using these things instead: AppArmor, FireHOL, Firejail, and NoScript or uBlock Origin.
Phil

Exactly, I used to be that ignorant, no offense, but it is a lack of knowledge that makes people think you need anti virus for everything.

Use AppArmor + Firejail + Noscript + Ublock Origin + Privacy Badger

these alone are good enough to block a whole lot of crap.

Also, greasemonkey and AAK-Cont Userscript For uBlock Origin

and you are in good shape. that's my personal thoughts on this.

zapper · Hardware & System Configuration

without removing half of the contents of devuan in the process? Or removing anything but the libsystemd0 files.

I said files, because I have wine which required i386 version of stuff.

I am using devuan ascii, and I wanted to put openrc on instead of that sysvinit. that is why I ask.

Its probably more secure to use openrc given it is still being updated after all right?

Given devuan is a way to fix debian, I cannot imagine how bad ubuntu is by comparison...

;/

zapper · Hardware & System Configuration

alt + p didn't really work for me so I am assuming it is a glitch of the testing version.

zapper · Devuan

Nili wrote:

sgage wrote:
I thought 3.16 was an LTS kernel?...
We'll get updates for 3.16 series up to 2020, So do not worry. 3.16 is a LTS kernel.
If there would be a news or changes for this kernel in a way we'll get to know.
Regards!

I had thought all kernels lasted for 2 years at most other than Super long term support kernels which are supposedly 10+ years

https://www.cip-project.org/blog/2016/1 … nce-europe

this is one such example...

although, I just checked and the kernel that was mentioned actually lasts 6 years...

well I guess I don't know as much as I think.

zapper · Hardware & System Configuration

Nili wrote:

Topic interesting this one. I thought to try kshutdown on my minimal setup.
WOW just Cool! I didn't imagine that would bring so many goddess

Edit: Oh just i see now this is a KDE tool right? Isn't for me anyway...

nili ~ $ sudo apt-get install -s kshutdown
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  aspell aspell-en dbus-x11 dictionaries-common docbook-xml docbook-xsl emacsen-common fonts-freefont-ttf gnupg-agent gnupg2 iso-codes
  kate-data katepart kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdoctools liba52-0.7.4 libaa1 libaspell15
  libassuan0 libattica0.4 libaudio2 libavc1394-0 libbasicusageenvironment0 libcanberra0 libcddb2 libchromaprint0 libclucene-core1
  libcrystalhd3 libdbusmenu-qt2 libdca0 libdirectfb-1.2-9 libdlrestrictions1 libdvbpsi9 libebml4 libenchant1c2a libexiv2-13 libfaad2
  libfam0 libfreerdp-cache1.1 libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-codec1.1 libfreerdp-common1.1.0 libfreerdp-core1.1 libfreerdp-crypto1.1
  libfreerdp-gdi1.1 libfreerdp-locale1.1 libfreerdp-primitives1.1 libfreerdp-rail1.1 libfreerdp-utils1.1 libgles1-mesa libgles2-mesa
  libgpgme++2 libgpgme11 libgpm2 libgroupsock1 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libhunspell-1.3-0 libilmbase6 libiodbc2
  libiso9660-8 libkactivities6 libkate1 libkatepartinterfaces4 libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdesu5
  libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkfile4 libkhtml5 libkidletime4 libkio5 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4
  libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkparts4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkrosscore4 libksba8 libktexteditor4 libkutils4
  libkxmlrpcclient4 libldb1 liblivemedia23 libltdl7 libmad0 libmatroska6 libmhash2 libmng1 libmodplug1 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2-4 libnepomuk4
  libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libnl-3-200 libnl-route-3-200 libntdb1 libntrack-qt4-1 libntrack0 libopenexr6 libphonon4 libplasma3
  libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpolkit-qt-1-1 libpostproc52 libproxy-tools libproxy1 libpth20 libpulse-mainloop-glib0
  libpython2.7 libqca2 libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script
  libqt4-sql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtdbus4 libqtgui4 libqtwebkit4 libraptor2-0 librasqal3 librdf0
  libresid-builder0c2a libsdl-image1.2 libsdl1.2debian libshine3 libshout3 libsidplay2 libsmbclient libsolid4 libsoprano4 libspeexdsp1
  libssh-gcrypt-4 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libsysfs2 libtag1-vanilla libtag1c2a libtalloc2 libtdb1 libtevent0 libthreadweaver4
  libtwolame0 libupnp6 libusageenvironment1 libutempter0 libva-drm1 libvcdinfo0 libvlc5 libvlccore8 libvncclient0 libvorbisfile3
  libwbclient0 libwebp5 libwinpr-crt0.1 libwinpr-crypto0.1 libwinpr-dsparse0.1 libwinpr-environment0.1 libwinpr-file0.1 libwinpr-handle0.1
  libwinpr-heap0.1 libwinpr-input0.1 libwinpr-interlocked0.1 libwinpr-library0.1 libwinpr-path0.1 libwinpr-pool0.1 libwinpr-registry0.1
  libwinpr-rpc0.1 libwinpr-sspi0.1 libwinpr-synch0.1 libwinpr-sysinfo0.1 libwinpr-thread0.1 libwinpr-utils0.1 libxcb-composite0
  libxcb-keysyms1 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-xv0 libxml2-utils libxslt1.1 libyajl2 libzvbi-common libzvbi0 ntrack-module-libnl-0
  oxygen-icon-theme phonon phonon-backend-vlc pinentry-gtk2 plasma-scriptengine-javascript python-talloc qdbus qtchooser qtcore4-l10n
  samba-libs sgml-base sgml-data soprano-daemon vlc vlc-data vlc-nox vlc-plugin-pulse xdg-utils xml-core
Suggested packages:
  aspell-doc spellutils wordlist docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-defguide dbtoepub docbook-xsl-doc-html docbook-xsl-doc-pdf
  docbook-xsl-doc-text docbook-xsl-doc docbook-xsl-saxon fop libsaxon-java libxalan2-java libxslthl-java xalan gnupg-doc parcimonie
  xloadimage isoquery djvulibre-bin finger icoutils libcanberra-pulse sound-theme-freedesktop nas libcanberra-gtk0 libchromaprint-tools
  python-acoustid firmware-crystalhd libenchant-voikko exiv2 fam freerdp-x11 gpgsm gpm libvisual-0.4-plugins gstreamer-codec-install
  gnome-codec-install gstreamer1.0-tools iodbc hspell libqca2-plugin-cyrus-sasl libqca2-plugin-gnupg libqca2-plugin-ossl
  libqt4-declarative-folderlistmodel libqt4-declarative-gestures libqt4-declarative-particles libqt4-declarative-shaders qt4-qmlviewer
  libqt4-dev libicu52 qt4-qtconfig raptor2-utils rasqal-utils librdf-storage-postgresql librdf-storage-mysql librdf-storage-sqlite
  librdf-storage-virtuoso redland-utils media-player-info phonon-backend-gstreamer phonon-backend-mplayer pinentry-doc sgml-base-doc
  perlsgml w3-recs opensp virtuoso-minimal videolan-doc libdvdcss2 gvfs-bin debhelper
Recommended packages:
  fonts-dejavu enchant gstreamer1.0-plugins-base hunspell-en-us hunspell-dictionary myspell-dictionary libkactivities-bin libqt4-sql-mysql
  libqt4-sql-odbc libqt4-sql-psql libqt4-sql-sqlite libqt4-sql-sqlite2 libqt4-sql-ibase udisks2 upower vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-samba
  libfile-mimeinfo-perl libnet-dbus-perl libx11-protocol-perl x11-utils
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  aspell aspell-en dbus-x11 dictionaries-common docbook-xml docbook-xsl emacsen-common fonts-freefont-ttf gnupg-agent gnupg2 iso-codes
  kate-data katepart kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdoctools kshutdown liba52-0.7.4 libaa1
  libaspell15 libassuan0 libattica0.4 libaudio2 libavc1394-0 libbasicusageenvironment0 libcanberra0 libcddb2 libchromaprint0
  libclucene-core1 libcrystalhd3 libdbusmenu-qt2 libdca0 libdirectfb-1.2-9 libdlrestrictions1 libdvbpsi9 libebml4 libenchant1c2a
  libexiv2-13 libfaad2 libfam0 libfreerdp-cache1.1 libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-codec1.1 libfreerdp-common1.1.0 libfreerdp-core1.1
  libfreerdp-crypto1.1 libfreerdp-gdi1.1 libfreerdp-locale1.1 libfreerdp-primitives1.1 libfreerdp-rail1.1 libfreerdp-utils1.1 libgles1-mesa
  libgles2-mesa libgpgme++2 libgpgme11 libgpm2 libgroupsock1 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libhunspell-1.3-0 libilmbase6
  libiodbc2 libiso9660-8 libkactivities6 libkate1 libkatepartinterfaces4 libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5
  libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkfile4 libkhtml5 libkidletime4 libkio5 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4
  libkmediaplayer4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkparts4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkrosscore4 libksba8 libktexteditor4
  libkutils4 libkxmlrpcclient4 libldb1 liblivemedia23 libltdl7 libmad0 libmatroska6 libmhash2 libmng1 libmodplug1 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2-4
  libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libnl-3-200 libnl-route-3-200 libntdb1 libntrack-qt4-1 libntrack0 libopenexr6 libphonon4
  libplasma3 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpolkit-qt-1-1 libpostproc52 libproxy-tools libproxy1 libpth20
  libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpython2.7 libqca2 libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl
  libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-svg libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtdbus4 libqtgui4 libqtwebkit4
  libraptor2-0 librasqal3 librdf0 libresid-builder0c2a libsdl-image1.2 libsdl1.2debian libshine3 libshout3 libsidplay2 libsmbclient
  libsolid4 libsoprano4 libspeexdsp1 libssh-gcrypt-4 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libsysfs2 libtag1-vanilla libtag1c2a libtalloc2 libtdb1
  libtevent0 libthreadweaver4 libtwolame0 libupnp6 libusageenvironment1 libutempter0 libva-drm1 libvcdinfo0 libvlc5 libvlccore8
  libvncclient0 libvorbisfile3 libwbclient0 libwebp5 libwinpr-crt0.1 libwinpr-crypto0.1 libwinpr-dsparse0.1 libwinpr-environment0.1
  libwinpr-file0.1 libwinpr-handle0.1 libwinpr-heap0.1 libwinpr-input0.1 libwinpr-interlocked0.1 libwinpr-library0.1 libwinpr-path0.1
  libwinpr-pool0.1 libwinpr-registry0.1 libwinpr-rpc0.1 libwinpr-sspi0.1 libwinpr-synch0.1 libwinpr-sysinfo0.1 libwinpr-thread0.1
  libwinpr-utils0.1 libxcb-composite0 libxcb-keysyms1 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-xv0 libxml2-utils libxslt1.1 libyajl2 libzvbi-common libzvbi0
  ntrack-module-libnl-0 oxygen-icon-theme phonon phonon-backend-vlc pinentry-gtk2 plasma-scriptengine-javascript python-talloc qdbus
  qtchooser qtcore4-l10n samba-libs sgml-base sgml-data soprano-daemon vlc vlc-data vlc-nox vlc-plugin-pulse xdg-utils xml-core
0 upgraded, 225 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

replay: 0 upgraded, 225 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

I'm better staying with sudo shutdown or do not exclude the possibility of installing policykit-1. Afterall i used previously on Debian jesssie and i was pretty happy. policykit-1 wants to install only 6 packages in the end. Good solution looks to me.

Yeah... I just tried sudo shutdown and it worked. I will just say, ignore all my kshutdown comments, sudo shutdown is better. hehe.

zapper · Devuan

Nili wrote:

zapper wrote:
also I should add, the 4.9 kernel is still supported, 3.16 one is NOT supported.
As long there is support for Jessie which will last until 2020. The kernel 3.16 does not have to be excluded from updates (security at least).
Indeed good news regarding speeding up the stretch release.

Yes Although it is actually june 17th not 16th. my bad. hehe.

as for kernel 3.16, it is supported by debian perhaps, but just them.

zapper · Hardware & System Configuration

smoki wrote:

zapper wrote:
KShutdown is flawless for ascii.
Flawlessness is not a problem there, just unbelievable too much uneeded bloatness there
PC hardware have poweroff/restart buttons, these are simple buttons - you press that usually just with one finger and it did the job.
So why in the hell someone needed 500+ packages on top of basic system, just to provide same functionality with that KShutdown

well it's the only way I have found to shut it down until they fix the issue that doesn't let the menu shutdown option work.

I will look for other ways though if you wish... to add to this list. heh.

zapper · Devuan

This is good news for us too, as long as we remove that horrid systemd, which I know you intend to remove.

we can have the latest packages of debian, without the lack of stability, security issues, and other junk from systemd.

I am looking forward to devuan ascii becoming stable. till then, I will wait and enjoy what I have now.

Thank you devs for deciding to fork debian. by the way.

also I should add, the 4.9 kernel is still supported, 3.16 one is NOT supported.

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#1076 Re: Devuan » Current state of Devuan regarding systemd » 2017-08-29 01:15:58

#1077 Re: Devuan Derivatives » do you know when the earliest that gnuetertics will be in english? » 2017-08-06 23:25:57

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#1084 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2017-07-29 10:23:18

#1085 Re: Off-topic » When you can't tell the difference between Windows and systemd » 2017-07-11 19:09:08

#1086 Re: News & Announcements » How you can help Devuan » 2017-07-11 02:43:06

#1087 Re: Installation » OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii » 2017-07-11 02:32:18

#1088 Re: Installation » OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii » 2017-07-11 02:21:11

#1089 Re: Installation » OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii » 2017-07-11 02:17:06

#1090 Other Issues » Will there be support for the eoma68-a20? for devuan ascii/ceres? » 2017-07-10 17:46:39

#1091 Re: Devuan » Question/Suggestion:What about being an entirely free GNU/Linux disto? » 2017-07-02 10:11:55

#1092 Re: Devuan » Question/Suggestion:What about being an entirely free GNU/Linux disto? » 2017-06-30 09:57:22

#1093 Re: Devuan » Defend Devuan against Antivirus and other thinks » 2017-06-30 09:54:22

#1094 Hardware & System Configuration » How does one remove libsystemd0 on testing? » 2017-06-11 00:39:21

#1095 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Shutdown and root passsword » 2017-06-02 22:08:51

#1096 Re: Devuan » Good news, debian stretch will be stable in less than a month. » 2017-06-02 21:56:07

#1097 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Shutdown and root passsword » 2017-06-02 17:36:32

#1098 Re: Devuan » Good news, debian stretch will be stable in less than a month. » 2017-06-02 17:34:53

#1099 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Shutdown and root passsword » 2017-06-02 17:28:14

#1100 Devuan » Good news, debian stretch will be stable in less than a month. » 2017-06-02 00:31:55

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