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#926 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Sources.list hates me! » 2025-01-01 04:21:46

@ steve_v

For some of us yes.
For 99.999999 of the normie population that I make things for who have no idea what emacs, tty, or kate or even nano mean:

Ehrr, I don't like titlebar color, file manager>>filesystem root>>usr/share/themes/(default-theme)/(appropriate folder)/(appropriate file)

Right-click>>edit as root>>opens in text-editor as root>>edit file>>save>>close>>root privileges gone. Logout>>login>>changes applied.

Profit. It's all about the GUI for new users or users that don't care to learn how to use the CLI.

#927 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do 5.03 (daedalus) New: with more legacy-firmware support » 2024-12-31 21:49:53

Well isn't that what I just offered as the author of those posts? To be rid of them? You could even edit out all but the original post. I'm offering to help clean up here to get it in line. Or I could make a simple new one with but one post with basic info and you could delete all the old ones.

#928 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do 5.03 (daedalus) New: with more legacy-firmware support » 2024-12-31 18:39:04

Well it should be simple, just edit the main thread title and first post with content I provide, which will be MUCH more concise than what I have now, and then simply delete the other threads, would clean things up nicely which ought to appeal to ralph.ronnquist.

Blogs, don't like 'em. I guess maybe one is needed somewhere, but typing out all this stuff is a lot of work for my two fingers. And since I only make these things about once every 5-7 years there wouldn't be any additional content for long periods of time.

But point well-taken, maybe i'll make one.

#929 Re: Off-topic » Thank you Devuan » 2024-12-31 16:39:58

^^^^What he said! Be safe out there tonight my friends, and i'll see you next year. wink

#930 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do 5.03 (daedalus) New: with more legacy-firmware support » 2024-12-31 16:17:41

You may be right Golinux.

It's just that I like to share what's going on as I work, provide a little explanation as to why things get replaced and why I do things a certain way, to help people understand what they're in for if they choose to try it. And also to add some info to the database for future aspiring iso-rollers as reference to help them get started, and maybe avoid some of my mistakes. I know that kind of info in multiple places across the internet has certainly helped me a lot...

So at this point I would be happy to write out a single original post to replace the original post in the main vuu-do thread, that explains the different options, six of them now very briefly with links, and edit the original title to simply reflect Vuu-do info. And then you could scrap the other threads. Except maybe the Devuan-mini thread as that's not a Vuu-do version and maybe should have it's own, gotten quite a few downloads.

What do you think?

#931 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do 5.03 (daedalus) New: with more legacy-firmware support » 2024-12-31 15:24:03

I am in 100% agreement stargate, but forum rules prevent me from doing any editing to the original post or it's title to reflect updates. I was told instead to start a new thread. But the first post in that thread has now passed the time limit so made another, and another.

Ours is not to reason why. wink

But as I said, i'm done for now. Nothing but occasional maintenance updates on what's up now I think. So no new threads for new versions.

#932 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Sources.list hates me! » 2024-12-31 15:16:20

Opposite to steve_v's opinion I am using geany as a gui multi-tab text editor to edit my confs and scripts as root for convenience.

Yep.
I've been doing it for years, I actually made a right-click extension "Edit file as Root" years ago that opens files in Pluma for me to edit, super handy. Much better than just working in the root account for long periods of time I reckon.

#933 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Sources.list hates me! » 2024-12-31 01:29:00

I don't think you're supposed to have the forward slash after the "merged" part, just a space then daedalus, should be:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates  main

#934 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems with ALSA and audio output ? » 2024-12-31 01:16:33

Do you need the "plughw" in the first asoundrc you posted?

Maybe this instead, just hw on that first instruction:

pcm.!default {
        type hw
        card 0
 }

ctl.!default {
        type hw
        card 0
 }

#935 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Instructions for installing lightdm on new Devuan 5 installation? » 2024-12-30 18:21:31

Apt also provides a log, refer to /var/log/apt/history.log.

Pretty sure that's where Synaptic gets it's history, loads that file when you open it. So it's the same history.

But if you never use the GUI, then yeah.

#936 Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do 5.03 (daedalus) New: with more legacy-firmware support » 2024-12-30 03:29:55

greenjeans
Replies: 11

1-13-2025 New versions of the 5.03 ob-z's uploaded, fixed an EQ bug, loaded the new kernel and all the other updates that got pushed over the weekend.

5.03-z 1-10-2025

This version adds some legacy firmware that really should have been included on previous iso's, but was left off in pursuit of a smaller iso size.
Older wi-fi/ethernet and sound etc. should now work. Intel microcode has also been added and alsa-firmware-loaders as well. Fixed a small calendar bug,
updated a couple of programs, and blacklisted wdat_wdt so that error doesn't appear during boot. No proprietary Nvidia drivers have been installed, that
is a process that can be unique to different machines and involves quite a bit of work, open-source software for Nvidia is already onboard and should
work fine for most users.

New versions compressed with zstd instead of xz for improved performance in live-sessions.

5.02-Z
Identical to Vuu-do 5.02 iso's except these iso's have been compressed using zstd instead of xz,
it makes for a slightly larger size iso, but much faster decompression, in practice this makes it
faster to load and run from a liveUSB, it should also install faster to a hard-drive.
On a live CD/DVD the bottleneck is the slow transfer of the optical drive, but if you load it all
to ram you'll get some better performance in that session as well. In my own testing it's working
really well on my older hardware and USB-2, faster boot, faster opening programs, less lag the
first time you open something in a session. On a newer machine with much higher specs it may not
be that noticeable. This is the first run for testing.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … do-5-zstd/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This one is superb IMO. The below are the regular 5.02's compressed with xz.

Release notes at the site and on iso.

New Vuu-do 5.02 Openbox mini up:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … 5.02-mini/

And got the max up now 12-30-2024:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … -5.02-max/

And with that I am done for a while, whew! Edit: Apparently I am not.

#937 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems with ALSA and audio output ? » 2024-12-28 16:41:46

So you just have one sound output? No HDMI too?

If not sure run aplay -l in terminal.

alsa-topology-conf
alsa-ucm-conf
alsa-utils
alsamixergui
bluez-alsa-utils
gstreamer1.0-alsa:amd64

Is what I have that's working, note that all depend on libasound2 as well. And I also have libasound2-plugins:amd64

And libasound2-plugin-equal:amd64 gets you the alsa equalizer as well, which is really nice to have.

#938 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do 5 (daedalus): 5.02 versions going up, mate-mini is first » 2024-12-28 16:28:15

Posting from first run of the openbox mini now, looks great, just a couple more hunt-down-the-css-that-did-this-crap issues and it's ready.

#939 Re: Devuan » Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024 » 2024-12-28 16:19:53

https://phosh.mobi/posts/phosh-2024-in-retrospect/
...how about all those cool names...p...h...you...see...kay

...ugh

[emoji-shaking-fist-at-sky-while-shouting-obscenities]

_elvis_has_left_the_building_

uuggghh, i'd rather smack myself in the jimmies than look at stuff like that all day long.

Many years ago when my kids were young, and they'd watch cartoons and anime-type cartoons which were even worse, it would render them completely incapable of using their brain for anything else whatsoever. They might acknowledge words you spoke to them, but they didn't really absorb the content. I'd have to go shut the TV or computer off, and that was actually rather traumatic for 'em, almost like a hard reboot on a computer.

I became convinced that stuff is bad for you, before I made the first Vuu-do, I did a bunch of research on colors and active video imagery, and their effect on you.
Bottom line: All that stuff is hard on your eyes (strain), and hard on the brain, when watched for long periods of time. So I like my stuff nice and dark and muted without a bunch of blingy colors hopping around everywhere like a friggin' terrier trying to get your attention.

ETA: omg I hate these skinny disappearing scrollbars in FF so much. sad  I know you can go into the about:derp and change it, but why on earth would they be the default.

#940 Re: Devuan » Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024 » 2024-12-28 16:11:16

@ stopAI, no KDE, not in this household, lol.

#941 Re: Devuan » Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024 » 2024-12-28 16:10:11

@brocashelm, thanks! That's some cool info I didn't know about.

Sounds great and i'm sure it works for some folks, but I tried every possible way of implementing it last night and nothing worked, tried both the gtk2 and gtk3 versions and no joy. Bummer, I was really excited when I saw your post, i've literally been working my tail off for the last couple weeks trying to unify the theme in my openbox stuff....i'm sooooo close too, posting from a liveCD of the mini now, no VLC or other stuff in it obviously so not an issue, but in the maxi it's got all the regular stuff including VLC, would just really be stunning if it all conformed to the theme i've worked so hard on.

#942 Re: Devuan » Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024 » 2024-12-27 23:21:51

Two things I dislike about having QT apps mixed in a gtk system:

1. More bloat, I already have a toolkit installed, having two makes no sense.
2. The interior of QT apps does not respect the system theme and it's colors. In VLC the menubar and all dropdowns and tooltips are glaring white which looks like crap in my otherwise gray-blue-black theme.

I'd be happy to use a GTK media player as soon as they make one that works with DVD menus out of the box 100%, no half-azzed attempt at it or poring through the internet looking for hacks to try and make it kinda work.

#943 Re: Installation » Epson Printer Driver (PC Fax) - systemctl not found? » 2024-12-27 16:17:44

Edit: Another option is just extract the package and manually move the files to where they would normally be installed

This is what I did to get my printer running, the whole printing shebang has a ton of PPD's, but didn't have one for my newer Canon printer, but the Canon website had just what I needed, pulled the appropriate .ppd and dropped it in and printer fired right up next time I opened the print manager.

#944 Re: Devuan » Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024 » 2024-12-27 16:12:56

gtk2 files in Numix-Frost = 1

gtk3+ files in same theme = 281

You should see all the notes in all the themes from the theme makers complaining about gtk3, and all the extra work they have to do to work around that mess. Also complaints about Firefox are rampant.

#945 Re: DIY » α-utilz -- a funky version of refractasnapshot/installer » 2024-12-27 03:27:44

@moulder61 Nice! Working on a theme project now that includes lots of Miyolinux, he really nailed it at multiple instances with his experimentation, everything I do is based on that philosophy of "make it your own" which to me is the heart and soul of linux in general.

#946 Re: News & Announcements » Merry Christmas » 2024-12-27 03:20:27

At our house we call the solstice "gnomes-moot" and have a happy little gnome for a Christmas tree.

Merry Christmas/solstice/Gnomes-moot to all, and hope all of you have a great new year!

#947 Re: Devuan » Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024 » 2024-12-27 03:11:37

Ick @QT.

I really don't like having both on my system. Bad enough having gtk2, gtk3, gtk4 etc, and trying to make it all look right. Really wish stuff like VLC would stop insisting on QT.

Enshittification is a great term. I already disliked CSS, but having to deal with it in ginormous theme files has made me despise it to the nth degree.

I'm sorry, but gtk 3 is a regression, adding nothing but bloat and all for the sake of doing stupid useless crap that's just annoying rather than useful to people who use computers as a tool.

It's like elementary school kids are doing everything these days, whatever they see on cartoons and anime`, they feel the need to include that bizarre crap in computer operating systems. The themes and icons are just beyond stupid. Nobody bothers to think of whether they should do a given thing , they just do mindless crap because they can.

</old man yelling at clouds>

#949 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems with ALSA and audio output ? » 2024-12-27 01:44:09

Posting now from a liveCD of Vuu-do mate-mini, that I installed firefox on in the live session, checked youtube and sound and video are working perfectly with nothing but pure ALSA. Literally, no pulse, apulse, or pipewire and everything works.

Please check on the ALSA packages you have installed, and i'll compare them to mine, and perhaps we'll find what you're missing.

#950 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do 5 (daedalus): 5.02 versions going up, mate-mini is first » 2024-12-23 22:58:45

Yeah Numix-Frost is badly broken on the GTK3 side. For now in the 5.01 Mate version, i'm going with all Blue Submarine with just a tweak to the tooltips. It's a nice looking theme, not as easy on the eyes as the classic Vuu-do colors, but pretty nice, think I may leave it that way.

Working on a new theme for the Openbox versions, cobbling together some elements from Numix-Frost, Blue Submarine, and Miyolinux dark to make something that works well and looks the same in gtk2 and gtk3 apps. It will also work in Mate once I get done with it.

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