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#53 Re: Freedom Hacks » Devuan without dbus » 2025-11-03 12:46:11

one wonders how much is not absolutely necessary in any case:

devuan@devuan-pc:~$ apt depends luakit
luakit
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
  Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0)
  Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.49.3)
  Depends: libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.19.12)
  Depends: libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 (>= 2.38.2)
  Depends: libluajit-5.1-2 (>= 2.0.4+dfsg)
  Depends: libluajit2-5.1-2 (>= 2.1~)
  Depends: libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.32.2)
  Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9)
  Depends: libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 (>= 2.17.3)
  Depends: <lua5.1-filesystem>
    lua-filesystem
devuan@devuan-pc:~$ apt depends libgtk-3-0
libgtk-3-0
  Depends: adwaita-icon-theme
  Depends: hicolor-icon-theme
  Depends: shared-mime-info
  Depends: libatk-bridge2.0-0 (>= 2.15.1)
  Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 2.35.1)
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
  Depends: libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libcolord2 (>= 0.1.10)
  Depends: libcups2 (>= 1.7.0)
  Depends: libepoxy0 (>= 1.4.3)
  Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6)
  Depends: libfribidi0 (>= 0.19.7)
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.40.0)
  Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.59.0)
  Depends: libharfbuzz0b (>= 2.2.0)
  Depends: libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.45.5)
  Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.44.0)
  Depends: libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.44.0)
  Depends: libwayland-client0 (>= 1.20.0)
  Depends: libwayland-cursor0 (>= 1.14.91)
  Depends: libwayland-egl1 (>= 1.15.0)
  Depends: libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.99.1)
  Depends: libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.4.5)
  Depends: libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2)
  Depends: libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1)
  Depends: libxext6
  Depends: libxfixes3
  Depends: libxi6 (>= 2:1.2.99.4)
  Depends: libxinerama1 (>= 2:1.1.4)
  Depends: libxkbcommon0 (>= 0.5.0)
  Depends: libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.5.0)
  Depends: libgtk-3-common (>= 3.24.38-2~deb12u3)
  Recommends: libgtk-3-bin
  Recommends: librsvg2-common
  Suggests: gvfs
devuan@devuan-pc:~$ apt depends libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
  Depends: libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 (= 2.48.5-1~deb12u1)
  Depends: gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
  Depends: gstreamer1.0-plugins-good
  Depends: libgles2
  Depends: bubblewrap (>= 0.3.1)
  Depends: xdg-dbus-proxy
  Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.32.0)
  Depends: libatomic1 (>= 4.8)
  Depends: libavif15 (>= 0.11.1)
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.35)
  Depends: libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0)
  Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libdrm2 (>= 2.4.107)
  Depends: libenchant-2-2 (>= 2.2.3)
  Depends: libepoxy0 (>= 1.3)
  Depends: libexpat1 (>= 2.1~beta3)
  Depends: libflite1 (>= 2.0.0-release)
  Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6)
  Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.11.1)
  Depends: libgbm1 (>= 21.3.0~rc1)
  Depends: libgcc-s1 (>= 4.0)
  Depends: libgcrypt20 (>= 1.10.0)
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0)
  Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.70.0)
  Depends: libgpg-error0 (>= 1.14)
  Depends: libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0)
  Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0)
  Depends: libgstreamer1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0)
  Depends: libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.23.0)
  Depends: libharfbuzz-icu0 (>= 0.9.9)
  Depends: libharfbuzz0b (>= 1.8.6)
  Depends: libhyphen0 (>= 2.7.1)
  Depends: libicu72 (>= 72.1~rc-1~)
  Depends: libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1:1.5.0)
  Depends: liblcms2-2 (>= 2.2+git20110628)
  Depends: libmanette-0.2-0 (>= 0.1.2)
  Depends: libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1)
  Depends: libseccomp2 (>= 0.0.0~20120605)
  Depends: libsecret-1-0 (>= 0.7)
  Depends: libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.69.90)
  Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.15)
  Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 12)
  Depends: libsystemd0
    libelogind-compat
  Depends: libtasn1-6 (>= 4.14)
  Depends: libwayland-client0 (>= 1.20.0)
  Depends: libwayland-egl1 (>= 1.15.0)
  Depends: libwayland-server0 (>= 1.0.2)
  Depends: libwebp7 (>= 1.2.4)
  Depends: libwebpdemux2 (>= 1.2.4)
  Depends: libwebpmux3 (>= 1.2.4)
  Depends: libwoff1 (>= 1.0.0)
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.7.4)
  Depends: libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.25)
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.2)
  Recommends: gstreamer1.0-gl
  Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri
  Recommends: xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
  Recommends: gstreamer1.0-libav
  Recommends: gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
  Suggests: gstreamer1.0-alsa
devuan@devuan-pc:~$ 

also see this thread for more sadness

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=7272

#58 Re: Off-topic » The “Ensh*ttification” of the Internet » 2025-10-30 12:55:16

for an ever-increasing number of planetary humans, their smartphone is their only electric/electronic communications device.

this is especially true for the age ranges from 0 to 40 and for a significant portion of the homeless of any/all age(s).

the insiders used twitter, facebook, and instagram to further divide and conquer the left, the right, and everyone else.

https://www.theverge.com/c/features/23993135/twitter-breaking-news-history

the image at the end of that webpage is interesting.

referencing a sign in that background image "we really shouldn't open the sarcophagus until we've completed all the side quests"

we return you now to your regularly scheduled programming

as always, ymmv.

#59 Re: Devuan Derivatives » why peppermintos? » 2025-10-29 07:19:50

on a subsequent visit to the peppermint sourceforge site i came across this review:

https://sourceforge.net/p/peppermintos/pepos/announcements/thread/e7b922d512/?page=3#7ebe

Jim Ward - 2025-08-13

New to PeppermintOS but not Linux. (Besides, I got my start on an OS360 system back in the day -- huge system with [gasp] 200K magnetic core RAM!!) I started my personal (not work) Linux journey with Mint, moved on to MX and stayed there for years (still use it). But being of a curious mind, I wanted to try other distros to find the right stuff for my aging laptop with its overheating issues. Was looking for lightness and coolness. I've tried AntiX, Sparky Linux, Q4OS (really nice, BTW!), Bunsen Labs, Artix, Linux Lite (not!), Bodhi, Solus, PCLinuxOS, AnduinOS, CachyOS, FunOS (not so much), Devuan, TinyCore, Puppy, maybe some others, but finally, Peppermint OS. It's got the best balance of lightness and usability and aesthetics of all the distros I've tried. I like OpenRC -- kind of a non-systemd thing but enough systemd-like functionality that's much improved on SysVinit, IMHO.

Unless some major upheaval occurs, I'm here to stay!

other posts by Mr. Ward

#60 Re: Off-topic » The “Ensh*ttification” of the Internet » 2025-10-29 05:30:10

^^^ @Duke Nukem & @golinux, ditto! Bravo on principle/security/just_because/stubborn_individualist/etc

in other news...our days are numbered...we know not their count...or their tempo...enjoy the dance.

dance

then

wherever

you

may

be

.

oops, forgot Fred Rogers: Ten Seconds

.

#61 Re: ARM Builds » Raspberry Pi 5 » 2025-10-29 04:35:59

^^^ @Gnostic, thank you for taking the time and effort to post your experiences and successes! future visitors will appreciate it! kudos.

#62 Re: Off-topic » The “Ensh*ttification” of the Internet » 2025-10-28 16:05:51

couple years ago:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=46673#p46673

wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

edited to add this video which is DEFINITELY worth watching as Ms Khan interviews Cory:

Cory Doctorow Discusses Ensh*ttification with Lina M. Khan - 75min-video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCX5Yst64Hw

#63 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Debian User Forum » 2025-10-28 15:59:31

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=832109

Anti-bot software in place

#1 Post by donald » 2025-10-27 00:44
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haven't researched this yet but there might be a non-javascript-required version?

https://www.osnews.com/story/142765/anubis-tool-to-stop-ai-crawler-abuse-gains-non-javascript-option/

#64 Re: Other Issues » Apt .sources changes » 2025-10-28 15:41:20

searched DDG-Lite for "apt modernize-sources"(without the quotation marks) and this was one of the offerings on the first page of results:

https://daniel-lange.com/archives/192-Make-apt-shut-up-about-modernize-sources-in-Trixie.html

#65 Re: Other Issues » Only top half of screen works while in Grub » 2025-10-28 14:42:19

what happens when you use a liveusb?

this was one of the results from searching DDG-Lite for "grub only the top half of the screen is active"(no quotations)

https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/25485/live-usb-only-displays-on-half-the-screen-installation-fails

keep us posted on your progress!

#70 Re: Freedom Hacks » How to disable pulse-rust backend in Firefox » 2025-10-17 12:14:27

looked at this webpage briefly and it seems like it might have some value in your apple mac endeavours

https://lowendmac.com/2018/installing-linux-on-powerpc-macs/

#71 Re: Devuan Derivatives » why peppermintos? » 2025-10-17 05:31:31

mostly for future thread visitors, links for your consideration and convenience:

wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint_OS

circa 2010, Mark Greaves(rip):
https://peppermintos.com/2010/05/we-are-different-we-offer-freedom/

https://peppermintos.com/2024/07/weve-partnered-with-foss-torrents/
fyi: included the below link and the above link mostly because the fosstorrents main webpage is cool, eye-candy, and a virtual cornucopia. enjoy with moderation as always!
https://fosstorrents.com/

download information:
https://peppermintos.com/download-and-install/
cautionary note: the above download webpage has direct links to immediate downloads(which you may/may-not be comfortable with, ymmv) so here is their sourceforge page without the automatic stuff. furthermore, what happens when one of these/those automatic downloads overflows and crashes the users hard-drive/machine/etc!?!
https://sourceforge.net/projects/peppermintos/files/isos/XFCE/

see also the screenshots and comments(especially Himanshu near the bottom/end of webpage):
https://peppermintos.com/screenshots/

epilogue: it is quite fitting that i have stumbled across this thread at this moment in time. i have currently been working with an octogenarian widow who desperately wants to be rid of the insanity of microsoft windows(and also smart televisions as well...but that is a totally different adventure/saga/story...oh, and don't forget the crazy voip phone, ugh). her current predicament is not for the faint-hearted or physically-feebled indeed. anywho, not quite the same situation as the screenshot webpage commenter mentioned above(Himanshu).

thank you for your precious time, dear reader/visitor.

edited to add: kicking the fosstorrent weeds and saw that they even have tribblix! outstanding!
https://fosstorrents.com/distributions/tribblix/

#72 Re: Off-topic » What is the devuan opinion about using elogind? » 2025-10-16 16:16:51

did a forum search for the word 'elogind' in the title/topic
(Index    » Search    » Topics with posts containing 'elogind')

and with this thread there are 26 threads with elogind in their title/topic

there are probably quite a few ideas, opinions, and thoughts in there somewhere

as always and everywhere, your mileage may vary.

#73 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] Development and goal of Devuan. » 2025-10-16 06:46:38

^^^^@golinux, thanks for the reply! it was a bit unsettling to see that advisement/failure/notice/etc but glad you've got it sorted out!

#75 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] Development and goal of Devuan. » 2025-10-15 09:10:50

individually asked my ex, daughter, grand-daughter, and great-grand-daughter similar ideas/thoughts...

all replied simply "there's an app for that"

smh(_shaking_my_head_)

furthermore, there are an ever increasing number of mostly younger human planetary inhabitants who see the only viable hope for "saving" the planet is to euthanize all the "excess load"...which is to say that the first to go will be all the older and/or infirm.

most won't admit it in public since it is still mostly "forbidden" talk, but privately they are just waiting for the "leaders" i.e. politicians to push it and they will vote for it.

all things must come to an end.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn!_Turn!_Turn!

...

what does this mean:

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