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#2651 Re: Installation » ASCII-install notes » 2017-06-23 15:53:13

The no-x refracta is cli only. I make a nox version of Refracta first with each major release. A few people use it to add their preferred packages. I'm a retro kind of guy. I'll play with wayland after it's been around long enough to get the bugs out.

Make sure eject is installed. (That is the package name)

#2652 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-23 13:09:56

You can either post it at paste.debian.net or click on my name and send it to me in email. You could try copy/paste here in a post, but it might be too big.

#2653 Re: Installation » ASCII-install notes » 2017-06-22 20:56:07

Well, as I see it, the biggest issue is that you used the CD, which gives you a system that most people would consider incomplete (like inactive shutdown buttons). Please don't file a bug report on that fact. We know the CD sucks, but it's useful if you must install without a network and you want a smaller download than the dvd or the desktop-live.

Crunched text and no button outlines: That sounds like a couple of the new gtk3 features. (gtk3 sucks worse than the CD).

I had a better upgrade experience using a refracta iso. The audio works (alsa only, no pulseaudio). There's no automounting usb drives or even popup icons when you plug one in, but that's because refracta doesn't have gvfs installed. (You might want to check for that). I use pmount for external drives, and that still works. Video (camera) works. I haven't tried watching a video file yet. I'll have to install vlc and check it. That's what I normally use, and it's known to be a little flaky.

Here's something that might work for rsyslog if you're ok with experimenting and possibly hosing your system. Install the version in jessie-backports. I did it this morning on a minimal installation and it seems to work. It should upgrade properly when rsyslog in ascii is ready.

For the power buttons, make sure you have installed policykit-1 consolekit libpam-ck-connector and upower. (Hope I didn't forget any). If that doesn't work, search the forum for any of those package names and you'll find some discussion.

There's a 'stay logged in' option? Guess I need to check my settings again. I'm in the habit of highlighting my whole post and copying it to the clipboard. Been burned on timeout plenty of times and places.

I predict that this thread will go for some time as more people try it and as packages get fixed. OK, time for me to go back to making new refracta isos. (sorry, golinux, but the first ones will be no-X).

#2654 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-22 19:09:41

List installed packages:

dpkg -l

Put the list in a file:

dpkg -l > package_list

#2655 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-22 17:20:51

Yes, I saw that you did apt-get upgrade, but you made it sound like you did not let it run. If the dist-upgrade says there's nothing to upgrade, then I guess you are running ascii. But I don't know what the autoremove did. Why did you run that? Did it remove any of the packages that were retained?

#2656 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-22 15:41:07

man apt-get
       upgrade
           upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system from the
           sources enumerated in /etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with new versions available are
           retrieved and upgraded; under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not
           already installed retrieved and installed. New versions of currently installed packages that cannot be
           upgraded without changing the install status of another package will be left at their current version. An
           update must be performed first so that apt-get knows that new versions of packages are available.

       dist-upgrade
           dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing
           dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will
           attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. The
           dist-upgrade command may therefore remove some packages. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of
           locations from which to retrieve desired package files. See also apt_preferences(5) for a mechanism for
           overriding the general settings for individual packages.

I suggested doing the upgrade first, so you would be less likely to run into a problem. Not everything will be upgraded with 'apt-get upgrade'. There is no error in the output you posted. It's doing what it should do. Let it run.

#2657 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-22 13:42:06

703 actualizados, 0 nuevos se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 433 no actualizados.
Se necesita descargar 202 MB de archivos.
Se utilizarán 16.5 MB de espacio de disco adicional después de esta operación.
¿Desea continuar? [S/n] 

***

703 updated, 0 new will be installed, 0 to remove and 433 not updated.
You need to download 202 MB of files.
16.5 MB of additional disk space will be used after this operation.
do you wish to continue? [S / n]

The correct answer is "Si". And then you'll need to do dist-upgrade, too. What error are you seeing?

#2658 Re: Installation » devuan-ascii.list » 2017-06-21 18:58:30

You can add repositories to files that are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/. The files can be named anything you want, as long as they end with ".list".  The ".d" directories in /etc are a standard place to put local configs, so they don't get clobbered by upgades to the corresponding packages.

The ascii lines that you copied won't pull in anything, because they are commented. If you managed to upgrade to ascii, then you must have added some ascii lines to sources.list or another file in sources.list.d.

Three pages of notes would probably be too much, but if you could highlight some of the problems you ran into, it might help others.

Thanks.

#2659 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-21 17:02:41

Did you correct these errors yet?

N: Omitting the file "sources.list.odt" in the directory "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/", as it has an invalid filename extension
N: Bypassing the file "sources.list.d" in the directory "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/" because it has an invalid filename extension

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that you moved sources.list.d into apt.conf.d by accidental click in a root file manager. Root file manager is very dangerous for that exact reason.

Move sources.list.d up one level into /etc/apt/ where it belongs. And if you haven't gotten rid of the mis-named files, get them out of there, too. (You can move them someplace safe if you want to keep them around.) Also, you might do well to edit system files with a plain text editor instead of libreoffice or whatever word processor you used.

Edit: almost forgot to say this: It looks like you're finished upgrading to ascii. I have no idea what happened with the dbus-user-session error.

Edit2: Make sure you don't have anything weird in sources.list.d, such as mis-named files or files that contain jessie sources. In fact, if there are any sources in there, comment them all out. The ones you have in sources.list are correct.

#2660 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-21 15:25:29

I'm going to ignore the synaptic output for now. That looks like a problem with synaptic that's separate from any upgrade problems.

I didn't bother to go to google translate, but it looks like there's nothing to do for 'apt-get upgrade'. In that case, do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and see what happens.

#2661 Re: DIY » Devuan image building tools question » 2017-06-21 11:08:39

If you use the debian/devuan installer, you will install from the repository if you do a netinstall or from the media if you used a DVD image instead of a netinstall and you don't choose a mirror. If you use refractainstaller, you will install the live iso. If the live iso has grub-efi-amd64 installed, it will be bootable on uefi.

If the live iso does not have grub-efi-amd64 installed, you should install that package in the live system before you run the installer. When it asks where you want the bootloader, don't choose a location. The installer will handle adding the bootloader (or let you do it manually if you like working in a chroot terminal.) Another option is to include grub packages in your iso and install whichever ones are needed when you install to hard disk. Oh yeah, if you hack the live iso into an installer iso, I think the grub packages are already there in /pool.

#2662 Re: Other Issues » Fglrx and devuan... how's that looking? » 2017-06-21 09:10:40

LizziAS wrote:

Lxrandr doesnt save the resolution or the overscan settings across reboots for many years now.

Yes it does save the configuration you set. And then it hides it from you unless you're running lxde. Edit ~/.config/autostart/lxrandr-autostart.desktop and comment out the line that hides it from you.

#OnlyShowIn=LXDE

If you change it and save again, you'll need to edit the file again.

#2663 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-20 18:25:13

I don't think you need to reinstall yet. Just stop using synaptic temporarily and you won't see that error.

Try

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

and lets see if we can get you back to it failing because of dbus.

#2664 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-20 17:03:11

keos wrote:

runnig aptitude doesn't show the "minor problem":

root@kaos:/home/keos# aptitude update
Hit http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie InRelease
Hit http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates InRelease
Hit http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged jessie-security InRelease
                                                  
root@kaos:/home/keos# aptitude dist-upgrade
No se instalará, actualizará o eliminará ningún paquete.
0 paquetes actualizados, 0 nuevos instalados, 0 para eliminar y 0 sin actualizar.
Necesito descargar 0 B de ficheros. Después de desempaquetar se usarán 0 B.
                                                  
root@kaos:/home/keos#

and the system is update after the reload by synaptic.

You should not have jessie in your sources. Golinux pasted jessie sources by mistake and neither you nor I noticed it. Didn't it seem odd to you that you were adding jessie sources after you removed them to upgrade to ascii?

#2665 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [solved] Problems to open synaptic icon. » 2017-06-20 14:39:33

That will work until synaptic is upgraded to a newer version. Then your edited .desktop file will be replaced. I solved that problem by making a separate .desktop file called synaptic-gksu.desktop. Make sure to change the Name field, because you will have two entries in your menu for synaptic. You need to be able to tell them apart.

#2666 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-20 14:34:16

Please post the output of

ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d

You can replace us.mirror.devuan.org with auto.mirror.devuan.org and the closest working mirror will be chosen automatically. If you are not in the US, you should do that. If you are in the US, it probably doesn't matter.

You don't need to use the line for packages.devuan.org. It would be redundant.

#2667 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-19 21:42:18

SR, nope. It's a file, not a line.

N: Omitting the file "devuan-ascii.lists" from the directory "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/", as it has an invalid filename extension

Use a valid filename extension. (i.e. ".list" not ".lists").  Are you sure you're up for this?

You should not need the 'packages' repo. When I did the upgrade, I used only one line in sources.list:

deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main

The problem with the upgrade is not in the sources, it's in the packages. To quote myself from above:

Be prepared for breakage and know how to handle it.

I sure hope this isn't your main system that you're trying to upgrade. Maybe you should practice in a VM or on a spare computer. Then you'll know what to expect.

#2668 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Star (Morbius*) » 2017-06-19 16:50:57

refractasnapshot and installer should work with any debian/devuan-based system. Ubuntu-based distros can be a little trickier, since some versions don't have live-config-sysvinit in the repo. (e.g. mint18)

#2669 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-19 16:40:52

I don't know what the best course of action is at this point. If you can figure out what's trying to pull in dbus-user-session, you might be able to avoid it. Or, you could install equivs and make a fake dbus-user-session like I did. Somehow, I was able to remove it afterward.

#2670 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-18 19:03:33

What happens if you try to remove dbus-user-session? That's what I ended up doing. (First workaround was to create an equivs package for dbus-user-session.)

#2671 Re: Installation » Installing DEVUAN on a NEC PC-8201 ? » 2017-06-18 18:56:11

Any of the installer images and the minimal live will give you a minimal system. Only the desktop-live forces you to take the whole desktop. Uncheck everything (or everything except 'standard system utilities' and the tasksel window.

#2672 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Changing the Keyboard Layout of the tty terminal of Devuan? » 2017-06-18 18:41:52

Edit /etc/default/keyboard and change us to fr.
See 'man keyboard' for more.

#2673 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-18 15:25:00

As I said above, replace rsyslog first.

Or maybe wait a few weeks.

#2674 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-18 01:24:37

Nixer, syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd. You can easily switch back to rsyslog when it's ready.

Keos, yes, those changes are correct. You can comment out the deb-src lines if you're not going to be building packages.

#2675 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-17 11:24:55

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

Wasn't there something about xconf?

gconf2.  Maybe you were thinking x because there's a problem with xserver, too. It won't run without a display manager. Oh, and speaking of that, there's a problem with the display manager. But you'll never know that until you get past the problem with rsyslog.

To OP and all the others who are itching to try ascii...

It's only been three weeks since devuan jessie went stable. Three weeks is not enough time to prepare the next release.

I think two of those three weeks were spent in recovery. Things are happnening now. The major blockers should be fixed soon. Meanwhile, a careful debootstrap install will work and so will a prepared upgrade (e.g. replace rsyslog first). Be prepared for breakage and know how to handle it.

i have tried many ideas... and nothing works.

The answer to this is, "Something must be wrong."

More information about what did not work and what error messages you got will result in a better answer to your specific problem.

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