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#2576 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-22 15:41:07

man apt-get
       upgrade
           upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system from the
           sources enumerated in /etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with new versions available are
           retrieved and upgraded; under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not
           already installed retrieved and installed. New versions of currently installed packages that cannot be
           upgraded without changing the install status of another package will be left at their current version. An
           update must be performed first so that apt-get knows that new versions of packages are available.

       dist-upgrade
           dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing
           dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will
           attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. The
           dist-upgrade command may therefore remove some packages. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of
           locations from which to retrieve desired package files. See also apt_preferences(5) for a mechanism for
           overriding the general settings for individual packages.

I suggested doing the upgrade first, so you would be less likely to run into a problem. Not everything will be upgraded with 'apt-get upgrade'. There is no error in the output you posted. It's doing what it should do. Let it run.

#2577 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-22 13:42:06

703 actualizados, 0 nuevos se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 433 no actualizados.
Se necesita descargar 202 MB de archivos.
Se utilizarán 16.5 MB de espacio de disco adicional después de esta operación.
¿Desea continuar? [S/n] 

***

703 updated, 0 new will be installed, 0 to remove and 433 not updated.
You need to download 202 MB of files.
16.5 MB of additional disk space will be used after this operation.
do you wish to continue? [S / n]

The correct answer is "Si". And then you'll need to do dist-upgrade, too. What error are you seeing?

#2578 Re: Installation » devuan-ascii.list » 2017-06-21 18:58:30

You can add repositories to files that are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/. The files can be named anything you want, as long as they end with ".list".  The ".d" directories in /etc are a standard place to put local configs, so they don't get clobbered by upgades to the corresponding packages.

The ascii lines that you copied won't pull in anything, because they are commented. If you managed to upgrade to ascii, then you must have added some ascii lines to sources.list or another file in sources.list.d.

Three pages of notes would probably be too much, but if you could highlight some of the problems you ran into, it might help others.

Thanks.

#2579 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-21 17:02:41

Did you correct these errors yet?

N: Omitting the file "sources.list.odt" in the directory "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/", as it has an invalid filename extension
N: Bypassing the file "sources.list.d" in the directory "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/" because it has an invalid filename extension

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that you moved sources.list.d into apt.conf.d by accidental click in a root file manager. Root file manager is very dangerous for that exact reason.

Move sources.list.d up one level into /etc/apt/ where it belongs. And if you haven't gotten rid of the mis-named files, get them out of there, too. (You can move them someplace safe if you want to keep them around.) Also, you might do well to edit system files with a plain text editor instead of libreoffice or whatever word processor you used.

Edit: almost forgot to say this: It looks like you're finished upgrading to ascii. I have no idea what happened with the dbus-user-session error.

Edit2: Make sure you don't have anything weird in sources.list.d, such as mis-named files or files that contain jessie sources. In fact, if there are any sources in there, comment them all out. The ones you have in sources.list are correct.

#2580 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-21 15:25:29

I'm going to ignore the synaptic output for now. That looks like a problem with synaptic that's separate from any upgrade problems.

I didn't bother to go to google translate, but it looks like there's nothing to do for 'apt-get upgrade'. In that case, do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and see what happens.

#2581 Re: DIY » Devuan image building tools question » 2017-06-21 11:08:39

If you use the debian/devuan installer, you will install from the repository if you do a netinstall or from the media if you used a DVD image instead of a netinstall and you don't choose a mirror. If you use refractainstaller, you will install the live iso. If the live iso has grub-efi-amd64 installed, it will be bootable on uefi.

If the live iso does not have grub-efi-amd64 installed, you should install that package in the live system before you run the installer. When it asks where you want the bootloader, don't choose a location. The installer will handle adding the bootloader (or let you do it manually if you like working in a chroot terminal.) Another option is to include grub packages in your iso and install whichever ones are needed when you install to hard disk. Oh yeah, if you hack the live iso into an installer iso, I think the grub packages are already there in /pool.

#2582 Re: Other Issues » Fglrx and devuan... how's that looking? » 2017-06-21 09:10:40

LizziAS wrote:

Lxrandr doesnt save the resolution or the overscan settings across reboots for many years now.

Yes it does save the configuration you set. And then it hides it from you unless you're running lxde. Edit ~/.config/autostart/lxrandr-autostart.desktop and comment out the line that hides it from you.

#OnlyShowIn=LXDE

If you change it and save again, you'll need to edit the file again.

#2583 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-20 18:25:13

I don't think you need to reinstall yet. Just stop using synaptic temporarily and you won't see that error.

Try

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

and lets see if we can get you back to it failing because of dbus.

#2584 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-20 17:03:11

keos wrote:

runnig aptitude doesn't show the "minor problem":

root@kaos:/home/keos# aptitude update
Hit http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie InRelease
Hit http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates InRelease
Hit http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged jessie-security InRelease
                                                  
root@kaos:/home/keos# aptitude dist-upgrade
No se instalará, actualizará o eliminará ningún paquete.
0 paquetes actualizados, 0 nuevos instalados, 0 para eliminar y 0 sin actualizar.
Necesito descargar 0 B de ficheros. Después de desempaquetar se usarán 0 B.
                                                  
root@kaos:/home/keos#

and the system is update after the reload by synaptic.

You should not have jessie in your sources. Golinux pasted jessie sources by mistake and neither you nor I noticed it. Didn't it seem odd to you that you were adding jessie sources after you removed them to upgrade to ascii?

#2585 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [solved] Problems to open synaptic icon. » 2017-06-20 14:39:33

That will work until synaptic is upgraded to a newer version. Then your edited .desktop file will be replaced. I solved that problem by making a separate .desktop file called synaptic-gksu.desktop. Make sure to change the Name field, because you will have two entries in your menu for synaptic. You need to be able to tell them apart.

#2586 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-20 14:34:16

Please post the output of

ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d

You can replace us.mirror.devuan.org with auto.mirror.devuan.org and the closest working mirror will be chosen automatically. If you are not in the US, you should do that. If you are in the US, it probably doesn't matter.

You don't need to use the line for packages.devuan.org. It would be redundant.

#2587 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-19 21:42:18

SR, nope. It's a file, not a line.

N: Omitting the file "devuan-ascii.lists" from the directory "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/", as it has an invalid filename extension

Use a valid filename extension. (i.e. ".list" not ".lists").  Are you sure you're up for this?

You should not need the 'packages' repo. When I did the upgrade, I used only one line in sources.list:

deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main

The problem with the upgrade is not in the sources, it's in the packages. To quote myself from above:

Be prepared for breakage and know how to handle it.

I sure hope this isn't your main system that you're trying to upgrade. Maybe you should practice in a VM or on a spare computer. Then you'll know what to expect.

#2588 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Star (Morbius*) » 2017-06-19 16:50:57

refractasnapshot and installer should work with any debian/devuan-based system. Ubuntu-based distros can be a little trickier, since some versions don't have live-config-sysvinit in the repo. (e.g. mint18)

#2589 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-19 16:40:52

I don't know what the best course of action is at this point. If you can figure out what's trying to pull in dbus-user-session, you might be able to avoid it. Or, you could install equivs and make a fake dbus-user-session like I did. Somehow, I was able to remove it afterward.

#2590 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-18 19:03:33

What happens if you try to remove dbus-user-session? That's what I ended up doing. (First workaround was to create an equivs package for dbus-user-session.)

#2591 Re: Installation » Installing DEVUAN on a NEC PC-8201 ? » 2017-06-18 18:56:11

Any of the installer images and the minimal live will give you a minimal system. Only the desktop-live forces you to take the whole desktop. Uncheck everything (or everything except 'standard system utilities' and the tasksel window.

#2592 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Changing the Keyboard Layout of the tty terminal of Devuan? » 2017-06-18 18:41:52

Edit /etc/default/keyboard and change us to fr.
See 'man keyboard' for more.

#2593 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-18 15:25:00

As I said above, replace rsyslog first.

Or maybe wait a few weeks.

#2594 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-18 01:24:37

Nixer, syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd. You can easily switch back to rsyslog when it's ready.

Keos, yes, those changes are correct. You can comment out the deb-src lines if you're not going to be building packages.

#2595 Re: Installation » [solved] How to update to ascii? » 2017-06-17 11:24:55

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

Wasn't there something about xconf?

gconf2.  Maybe you were thinking x because there's a problem with xserver, too. It won't run without a display manager. Oh, and speaking of that, there's a problem with the display manager. But you'll never know that until you get past the problem with rsyslog.

To OP and all the others who are itching to try ascii...

It's only been three weeks since devuan jessie went stable. Three weeks is not enough time to prepare the next release.

I think two of those three weeks were spent in recovery. Things are happnening now. The major blockers should be fixed soon. Meanwhile, a careful debootstrap install will work and so will a prepared upgrade (e.g. replace rsyslog first). Be prepared for breakage and know how to handle it.

i have tried many ideas... and nothing works.

The answer to this is, "Something must be wrong."

More information about what did not work and what error messages you got will result in a better answer to your specific problem.

#2596 Re: DIY » Devuan image building tools question » 2017-06-16 09:49:15

There's live-sdk - https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551
It's not yet set up to do uefi without adding some stuff, but I've done it, and it works. That's how the desktop-live isos were made.
It's also not yet set up to include the debian installer. Someone is working on that.

There's also a cheater's way to get what you want.
- mount and copy a netinstall iso
- mount your favorite live-iso
- copy the /live folder to the copy of the netinstall
- edit the boot menus in the copy of the netinstall
- repack the copy into a new iso.

#2597 Re: Devuan Derivatives » how to setup installer with different desktop rather than Xfce4 » 2017-06-16 02:52:14

mckaygerhard wrote:
fsmithred wrote:

anyone who installs without a network connection might not need a network manage

the problem with devuan developers are thinsk as other.. that totally false...

I think once again, that you can blame the debian developers for that. Devuan devs have been focused on removing systemd dependencies, not on changing everything else.

i have internet connections.. but i prefers disc media due interent connections are very slower..  many more countries in the world have poor performance in internet connection...

Yes, and that use case is exactly the reason the CD is offered.

that irritate me.. why overload my precious interent connection (that are very expensive here) if i can have all locally ... also a disc media install more faster rather than a network internet based...

You're going to have to use your network one way or the other. If you install CD1, you'll need to add packages from the network (like libreoffice for instance.) Your alternative is to download the DVD and probably have everything you want locally.

Edit: Here's another option - you can buy a devuan dvd:
https://www.osdisc.com/products/devuan

Edit2: I just checked a debian-8.3-CD-1. It does have libreoffice. That's new for jessie. In wheezy and squeeze it was on CD-2. I don't know why there's a difference, and it doesn't change your options, anyway.

#2598 Re: Devuan Derivatives » how to setup installer with different desktop rather than Xfce4 » 2017-06-16 00:48:33

You do get a basic desktop with the CD install. I guess someone decided that anyone who installs without a network connection might not need a network manager. That seems like a reasonable decision if you're trying to fit things in a limited amount of space.

For vdev:
Add the experimental repo to your sources.list

deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental main
apt-get update
apt-get -t experimental install vdev

Then disable experimental (comment out the line) and apt-get update again.

I think that's how it's done now. The iso that I uploaded has an older version of vdev that was installed from deb packages that I downloaded. More info here -
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/vdev

#2599 Re: Devuan Derivatives » how to setup installer with different desktop rather than Xfce4 » 2017-06-15 23:46:30

I don't know enough about how the installer isos are made to answer your first question. I know the choices in tasksel are hard-coded in the source code. I don't know if tasksel adapts itself if any of those choices are not on the media, but I think it does not.

A debian install from CD-1 does not give you a full set of applications if you don't use a network mirror. Been there, done that.

The jessie-vdev iso was made for testing vdev, not to provide someone with a full system. I tried to keep it light so the download would be smaller.

#2600 Re: Devuan Derivatives » how to setup installer with different desktop rather than Xfce4 » 2017-06-15 23:01:35

These are the desktop choices on the installer DVD. The installer CD only has xfce. (more about that below)
FluxBB bbcode test

The installer does not give you choices for individual programs. (unless there's some way to access dselect that I haven't seen.) If you want network-manager, you need to add it after the install.

If you have both wired and wireless network hardware, the installer will ask which one you want to use if you are going to use a network mirror.

I've found no ISO with wicd/network-manager that can switch off wi-fi or re-connect (even eth/wired).

Wicd has a button that says "Switch off wifi". Are you saying it doesn't work? It also has connect/disconnect buttons for both wired and wireless connections, and I know those work.

You could probably install lxde in a live session that had openbox and then install to hard drive. There might soon be a refracta-ascii iso with openbox, lxterminal, lxpanel and a couple other small lx-somethings. That's just a few packages short of full lxde (but a lot less than task-lxde-desktop, which pulls in all the desktop applications with it.)  If you want to try it, here's a jessie with vdev iso that fits the description -
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/file … 3_0159.iso

About that installer CD. It's not very useful. You end up with an incomplete desktop (no network manager, no browser, no word processor). Some of those packages are on the CD and you can install them with..., um, oh yeah. No synaptic. I think that's on the CD, too. So you'd have to install from terminal first.

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