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#1 Re: Devuan » Devuan without elogind » 2023-11-29 00:28:59

Hello people. I am skeptical about elogind too. I am not against 100% since sometimes you have to work and some tools use elogind. I know elogind is not systemD but comes to fill a gap systemD made. BSD and Illumos can use a desktop environment without elogind and this is tremendous. I like wm's and semi desktops (lumina or enlightment fit here) so i mighht give them again a shot to see what's going on.

#2 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] my / partition is full but why ? » 2023-10-24 07:08:17

Dutch_Master wrote:

Well, in short: if a folder doesn't have its own partition, it's hanging under the / in the tree. Which means its data is stored on the / partition. So in your case, /var, /usr and /tmp are filling up the / partition if a rogue process continues to write data to it. Frequently, log files (/var/log) can become huge and thus clog up the system. Other sources of trouble exist as well, like malware etc. That's for you to figure out wink

Tip: the ls command has info on size of the directory:

ls -l /var
ls -l /usr
ls -l /tmp

Probably best results as root.

What i was doing is i added too much iso's on /var/lib/libvirt/images
I guess i had to add more gb on / though...

#3 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] my / partition is full but why ? » 2023-10-23 22:01:04

Dutch_Master wrote:

This is why having separate partitions for stuff like /var, /usr and /tmp are advised. Certainly I do adhere to this smile

Your Downloads folder is huge and the key reason why your / has filled up. I take it you downloaded a lot so clearing that one out will release a decent amount of storage.

well in most cases seperate partition for /var /usr and /tmp won't be a thing to consider
but i have a seperate /home partition which is around 440 gb and i am using only 6% of it
why my / is full i don't get it and i think i know what i am doing...
generally / is where things like programmes are stored while /home is where personall folders are stored
you are saying i have to create a bigger / partition rather than /home partition ? I don't get it but i would like to see what you are talking about...

#4 Other Issues » [SOLVED] my / partition is full but why ? » 2023-10-23 21:16:42

Replies: 5

Hello i use devuan daedalus. My partition scheme has 4 partitions 1. for bootloader, 1 for swap, 1 for root and 1 for /home.
My ssd is almost 500gb (patriot ssd if that matters)
my / is now over 90+ big and i cannot understand why since i only use minimal applications for certain reasons.
df -h shows:

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev            6.8G     0  6.8G   0% /dev
tmpfs           1.4G  1.3M  1.4G   1% /run
/dev/sda2        28G   25G  1.1G  96% /
tmpfs           5.0M   16K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs           3.0G  216K  3.0G   1% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1       511M  5.9M  506M   2% /boot/efi
/dev/sda4       440G   25G  393G   6% /home
cgroup_root      10M     0   10M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs           1.4G  2.5M  1.4G   1% /run/user/1000
/dev/sdc1        15G   12G  2.6G  83% /media/rhtoras/Ventoy 

i examined everything via du and df commands, then tried gui (mate and ncdu) and nothing...


find . -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -exec du -sh {} \; | sort -rh | head

leads to...

18G	./Downloads
2.3G	./Documents
1.7G	./.cache
1.5G	./ekpompes
516M	./.mozilla
396M	./.local
185M	./.config
51M	./Videos
19M	./Pictures
596K	./.ssr

#5 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » FVWM configuration » 2023-09-11 19:18:55

stopAI wrote:
rhtoras wrote:

can it work on fvwm1


rhtoras wrote:

can it work on fvwm2 and 3


Thanks i might have to try it soon...

#6 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Crowz 4.0 Test build Chimaera » 2023-09-11 15:30:06

I tried this distro. Installing with calamares worked flawlessly. Only downside is calamares says debian instead of devuan or crowz. The general idea is simplicity and darkness. Ok i can see the concept. I am fan of simplicity but not the biggest fan of darkness. I tried both jwm and also installed xfce and it worked fine too. No bloat applications just normal stuff to be expected. You can do what you like. It has sysVinit although i did not try runit or openrc which i like more. What is the big plus of this  distro ? Well calamares installation is the big plus. Simplicity is a plus too but i can see not everyone liking jwm. There could have been lxde, openbox or xfce. I like the ideas behind this distribution of devuan. If i was to build an iso i would use calamares and a simple desktop like they did here.
Even xfce is light enough to be shipped for new users. What i could add (sorry but i don't remember having such thing) is a welcome script before installing with some infos about this distro or some basic commands so i can suggest it to new users.

#7 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta ISOs » 2023-09-11 13:31:55

i am trying again refracta...
one of the better distros out there...
there are no experimental iso's as i see...
i could make something using the tools provided because i like light systems on resources
i also sent a week ago message to distrowatch so they can inform us about refracta news and on various sites
can you please send them too...
i have saved so many people with refracta iso...
only downside is on some cases refracta installer could not work and i had to use devuan net installer

#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » FVWM configuration » 2023-09-11 12:12:13

Very nice config... can it work on fvwm1,2 and 3 ?

#9 Re: Intergalactic Communities » Devuan in στα Ελληνικά, κανείς; » 2023-03-14 17:58:33

xinomilo wrote:

ωραιο φαινεται το community, καλή αρχή.. smile

απλά πολύ google ρε παιδιά, google translate, analytics, γιατι;
δυστυχώς με το -χειροτερο και απο systemd- μονοπωλιο της γκουγκλ δε τα παω καλα, οποτε δεν μπορω να κάνω εγγραφή να πω ενα γεια και απο εκει..


Να σαι καλά φίλε μου. Το site δεν το έφτιαξα εγώ και να σου πω σχεδόν κανείς μας δε χρησιμοποιεί google. Παρόλαυτα πάντα υπάρχει τρόπος να πεις ένα γεια και χωρίς τη google. Δε θα σου πω όμως ψέματα είμαι ίσως ο μόνος εκεί που χρησιμοποιεί Devuan. Υπάρχει πάντως ενδιαφέρον υλικό που εμπλουτίζουμε σιγά σιγά.

#10 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] can't login use correct user and password » 2023-03-14 08:31:12

Grumpy wrote:

From your previous problem I gather your home directory is on a separate partition.
Have you checked that the entry in /etc/fstab is correct to mount that partition?
Have you checked that the contents of the home partition look sensible?

yes i did all these...
the only downside is i discovered i could login as user from tty
what i did after a research is to recreate a /home/user directory via mkdir

sudo chown -R user:user /home/user

and just in case...

cp -rT /etc/skel /home/user

replaced user with my username

Then everything went just fine except from some files that were deleted but i had backup. It was helpfull i had a seperate /home partition. It save lives.

#11 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] can't login use correct user and password » 2023-03-13 12:20:36

ComputerBob wrote:

caps lock key?


i found that if i press ctrl+alt+f1 to enter tty i can login with password and username ok
but i press startx it wont load and if i force i get the following error:

The path for the directory containing caja settings need read and write permissions: 



won't work


which is empty if i press ls

p.s i use mate desktop that's why caja
and rhtoras is my user

#12 Installation » [SOLVED] can't login use correct user and password » 2023-03-13 12:04:57

Replies: 5

Hello i just restored my devuan workstation (i had some grub/efivars) issues
Everything works fine but i can't login. Btw there are two entries on boot menu but all lead to devuan installation.
I use correct user and password. It goes on loop after 1 second and won't let me in. I can boot though via root account and the password i have set.
Any ideas ?

I did:

cat /etc/passwd 

and in resutls my user is ok


as root .profile contains:

# ~/.profile: executed by Bourne-compatible login shells.

if [ "$BASH" ]; then
  if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
    . ~/.bashrc

mesg n 2> /dev/null || true

Any suggestions ?

#13 Re: Intergalactic Communities » Devuan in στα Ελληνικά, κανείς; » 2023-03-13 11:09:47

Γεια σε όλους σας.
Devuan Void εδώ nosystemD - nonsystemD 100% απο Ελλαδα...
unchained-gnu ο ιστοτοπος μας για Ελλαδα
Να περνάτε καλά!

#14 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] unplugged ssd grub problem...HELP! » 2023-03-13 10:15:39

I did a lot of tricks but finally i found a way to restore my workstation
i had to mount first / partition and then the /boot/efi not the opposite

sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi

and then

sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot --bootloader-id=debian --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot/efi  

now it boots up again just fine
the only problem is i have two -exactly the same- boot entries on boot menu and it wont login with correct user only as root
but i will find these since i am in!

#15 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] unplugged ssd grub problem...HELP! » 2023-03-13 00:46:31

rolfie wrote:


i will try this method and see how it goes...
i did some tricks though to manage and install a new devuan iso because even this was not applicable
btw is there rescue mode on net installer ? (i don't remember so)

fsmithred wrote:


i thought it could be this but two years ago it was buggy (maybe i did something wrong though)
i might try it again to see how it goes

Thank you both !

#16 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] unplugged ssd grub problem...HELP! » 2023-03-12 13:31:11

look what i did

i reflashed bios
now i am again sure i have latest bios and at least on desktop live grub boots without error but the problem now is grub is black and white and before it used to be blue like on devuan

net install iso i used to install devuan on a friends laptop still cant recognize ethernet firmware on my desktop
something has changed i am sure and i wonder what this is

on the other hand it was not server iso but pure net install so i can install whatever init system i want
now i cannnot install whatever init i want since desktop live uses the «old» sysVinit which works but i pefer openrc and runit anytime!

i guess i'll have to stick with sysV init but Devuan imho should either provide nonfree firmware again on netinstall or offer iso with different init system or if they do not want to maint all init system at least provide an easy guide on what to do to enable runit i,e in place of sysV
Now if i want to boot to desktop it says (after grub screen)

invalid magick number  please load kernel first

#17 Installation » [SOLVED] unplugged ssd grub problem...HELP! » 2023-03-12 10:44:47

Replies: 6

Hello gents! I am using linux last 6 years or so. I have 3 pc's 1 ddr 3 with intel pentium, one ddr4 with ryzen (both with msi motherboard) and a laptop ddr3 era (fujitsi lifebook). 5 years now i am no systemD and i never look back so last year i installed devuan because i like the idea of a mainstream os without the need for systemD. On my laptop i run Void Linux without issues. I've done installation 100+ times these years and 99% of the time on real hardware or as we say on bare metal.

So last year i installed Devuan Daedalus on my ddr3 desktop and everything was fine. All partitions were made custom by me (1 for swap, 1 for /boot/efi -esp- 1 for /root and last but not least a seperate /home partition). I chose openrc and mate desktop. Everythin was fine until recently!!!
Last week i unplugged my ssd to plug a win7 (a friend's one not mine i don't use windows) ssd and restore some files. When i plugged back my devuan ssd i could not boot into system. The same ssd could boot on my other desktop but with messed graphics and of course could not boot onto my laptop.

I bought a new ssd and tried to reinstall devuan daedalus only to see that m,y firmware and ethernet was not detected by net installer. One week ago was working now it is not detected. In the meanwhile i installed successfully devuan daedalus on a friends laptop. So it is 100% sure i know what i was doing. But let's say i install linux for the first time. I tried Fluxuan and Miyo only to see there is not boot loader. I tried to change boot order but nothing happened. I tried devuan live desktop xfce and old-old stable iso and i could boot on desktop. I tried via refracta installer but when i reboot nothing shows up. I tried refracta (even the vintage iso) and nothing happened. I mean i could install iso and when i reboot a destroyed grub screen and after a new reboot i could not reboot. The message was this:

reboot and select proper Boot device

and to insert proper boot device and so on...

here's the deal

i tried to plug an ssd with artix and it worked, i tried to plug a brand new ssd and installed void linux successfully|
wiped void and tried devuan again but nothing happened
used live iso, mount my ssd and inspected these in my /etc/default/ grub text-file


i assume this should have been uncomment but even this: could not work when i tried to uncomment and reboot
i also assume when i unplugged my basic boot ssd i deleted something in the efi firmware
boot order information is stored in NVRAM and i suspect my EFI deleted my NVRAM entries
yes i know i must not unplugged my boot ssd BUT

why all other distros can be installed on this particular pc ?
why  devuan daedalus cannot detect my ethernet when a year ago it could ?
should i reflash my bios ?

Thanks anyway and hope you understand my situation and why i said all these to reach in the final questions.
ANy advice should be appreciated...

#18 Installation » Linux Mint Devuan Edition » 2022-03-13 15:44:02

Replies: 1

Hello people...
I was trying to migrate from a linux mint debian edition to a linux mint devuan edition but i failed.
Here's the deal. I know we can migrate from debian to devuan following the instructions on and maybe the script on devuan's git. I tried both ways and always had trouble.  The trouble begun after i was trying to upgrade i think. I know others have done what i am talking successfully. Some of them installed mint repos on top of devuan too making what i want but the opposite way.
Any suggestions ? Any step by step guide ?

Thank you!

#19 Re: Installation » The best init system » 2022-03-13 15:36:59

I prefer all systems except systemD. Runit is the best for desktop use. On the other hand openrc is popular and widely used. SysVinit is old but i can say it just works and a lot distributions still use it. There is also s6 which is also very good and powerfull but on the other hand very difficult for me.

#20 Re: Other Issues » Etertics radio distro NO SOUND... help! » 2020-12-25 18:02:53

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
dice wrote:
lspci -knn | grep "Audio"

The grep needs to be expanded to show the kernel driver:

lspci -knn | grep -A2 "Audio"

@OP: have you read the beowulf release notes? If you have multiple sound cards then PulseAudio might need to be autostarted.

Use pgrep pulse to check if it's running and use aplay -l to list all available audio devices.

lspci -knn | grep -A2 "Audio"
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01)
	Subsystem: Lenovo NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [17aa:304f]
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

pgrep pulse says 3096

#21 Other Issues » Etertics radio distro NO SOUND... help! » 2020-12-25 13:42:12

Replies: 7

Hello... New to devuan i use Artix and Void Linux. I use an e radio to stream my show and butt is my choice. I use an xlr mic and external usb soundcard. All distros from Mint to Void recognise this sound card. Etetics based on Devuan no. It has alsa and pulseaudio but none of themn works. Basically i have no microphone and no sound. All settings are the usual used on my other 3 distros. Is there a special configuration i have to do, so the usb sound card works ?
What should i check ?

p.s Mind you i was on live usb stick when i was trying this.

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