The officially official Devuan Forum!

You are not logged in.

#1 Re: Devuan » Test Testing version » 2021-10-29 08:34:00

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The OP is running a production system. It's not a game for them.

I'm totally too infused with Linux Torvalds book "Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary" and I'm sure many more than I on this forum use their computer for both work and pleasure.

#2 Re: Devuan » Test Testing version » 2021-10-28 11:48:09

golinux wrote:

But your choice and you get to keep all the pieces.  smile

Some day even you will be able to handle the pieces. It's all about experience.

I thought we had a forum like this to, among other things, develop and learn new things, not to be negative about new ideas and progress. But I'm so incredibly blown away and stupid so I do things that I feel like to test and learn, not that other say I should do.

#3 Re: Other Issues » elogind update problem » 2021-10-28 11:38:11

This happens to me every time I upgrade Elogin on Ceres. The latest time was yesterday or the day before. But I agree that it's a little annoying to have to do a hard reboot. But I have never had any problems due to hard reboot. If it is possible to avoid a hard reboot I will be pleased.

#4 Re: Installation » How to have updated firefox-esr in Chimaera? » 2021-10-27 11:42:54

Why go so far? The most suitable repos to supplement Devuan's own with is Debian. This is because Devuan downloads most of it's aplications directly from Debian repos.
If you want a different version of firefox or firefox-esr, you first look at a fresher Devuan repro, like Ceres, otherwise you look at Debian Experimental. Then they can look further afield.

Here are my suggestions, to add in the sources.list:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main non-free contrib
deb http://http.debian.net/debian experimental main non-free contrib

Firefox 93.0-1 is in Devuan Ceres (I use that one) & Debian Sid
Firefox 92.0-2 is in Debian Experimental

Firefox-ESR 92.2.0-esr1 is in Devuan Ceres & Debian Sid
Firefox-ESR 92.1.0-esr1 is in Debian Experimental

#5 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Importing qt4 in Devuan » 2021-10-22 13:09:29

golinux wrote:

Ubuntu and Devuan repos are not compatible.

See: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages

And that about this, from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/ForDebianDevelopers :

Packages

Most source packages in all Ubuntu components (about 4 in 5 at the time of this writing) are copied unmodified from Debian. There is also software in the archive which has been packaged by Ubuntu developers, and packages created specifically for Ubuntu. There are other external package sources available (e.g. Gooogle Chrome or Launchpad PPAs.)

In some cases, the same upstream software is packaged separately in Ubuntu and in Debian, though this is to be avoided unless there is a justifiable reason to do so.

Where packages in Debian and Ubuntu have a common heritage, the packages use version numbers which reflect this.

And then... I must tell that Devuan packages are taken from Debian to, most of them, with a few exceptions. ;-)

The thing to think about then taking packages from Ubuntu or use repos from Ubuntu is to chose a version that is as close to the Devuan version you are running. Take a look among the packages to see their versions before you chose Ubuntu repo.

#6 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » apt sources, changing version and name with apt » 2021-10-17 12:01:38

"This [repo mix ]is a very risky thing to attempt, and is generally regarded as a bad idea for all but the most advanced Debian users."

I'm an advanced user that have used Linux as my only OS since 2003. I'm convinced that everybody can learn by trying, and therefore recommend to mix repos if they need, or want, it. But have a backup of the system if something get messier than you can handle. I have an extra partition on the disk for the backup copy of my system, with that I can dual boot in emergency, while I solve the problems on my primary system.

#7 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Desktop.iso install: multiple problems » 2021-10-01 07:33:11

I must correct myself. The command to use was "su -I" the same as "su --login", not "sudo -l". I'm so sorry for that stupid mistake.

#8 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Desktop.iso install: multiple problems » 2021-09-28 17:06:18

devadmin wrote:

I'm using "sudo -i" quite a long time in spite of the fact that I do not understand the difference between sudo -s  sudo -i etc.

Not sudo -i, sudo -l (sudo --login).

#9 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Desktop.iso install: multiple problems » 2021-09-28 07:59:30

Have you tried to use "sudo --login" or "sudo -l" instead of plain "sudo"? On newer devuan you need "sudo -l to reach the paths to be able to run commands.
I don't know if you can connect "sudo -l" with other commands. I use to login with "sudo -l" and then run commands.

#10 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] convert an existing legacy system to secure boot? » 2021-09-26 07:42:48

Copy your old system with "cp -a" to a new partition on a disk or usb memory that is partitioned with GPT. Do not forget to create a / boot / EFI partition and enter this partition in / etc / fstab, if you want to be able to install grub and boot from the new system. Also change other things in / etc / fstab based on the newly created partitions. Then you must install a kernel that is signed. Then also change in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume so that you have the correct swap partition, else the system will hang for a wile at boot but sooner or later boot completely.
If you have a necessary custom built kernel module that is not signed, that module will not work with secure boot.

#11 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-21 14:07:52

Élisabeth wrote:

I used to have a highly customised Debian system on my previous laptop, which died a year ago. I'll have lots to figure out and install to get back what I had before.

If you still have the disk with the system you can copy the old system to the new computer. Use the "cp -a" command. Then change /etc/fstab and /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume to the new computers partitions. Then you may have to install some drivers to. That's it.

#12 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Wicd in Chimaera (It's not, but...) » 2021-08-22 22:26:43

That's the way to do it if you need something that is not in the distro you are running.

Personally, I want the latest KDE, the one in Debian Experimental, so I added Debian Experimental to my sources.list and ran "aptitude upgrade -t experimental". Then I also got some other new candy. I have now been doing this every day for several weeks and have only had one problem, that VirtualBox-DKMS did not want to be compiled with Experimental's kernel 5.13.0 trunk. So I have to settle for 5.10.
In addition, I use libc6 2.33 from the latest Ubuntu release Hirsute Hippo, to be able to use the Firefox plugin ScrapBee. But now I saw that 2.32 came in Debian Experimental so I take and test it instead.
And then I run LibreOffice nightly builds 7.3_alpha because I'm love and need the new outline function which is next as good as Emacs Org Mod's outline mode. https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/dail … F/current/
I almost forgot to tell you that I use DisplayCal and for this I need some python 2 packages from Debian Buster. (I like to download my packages from Debian because I think it is easiest (I'm used to) to search for packages there.)
Must recommend snapshot.debian.org It's a real goldmine with all the packages and versions since the beginning of time. http://snapshot.debian.org/

This is one way to have fun, develop yourself and learn more about Linux. Should something go wrong I learn even more.

#13 Re: Installation » My Chimaera install issues #1: Forced manual choice of LXQt WM » 2021-07-25 13:46:18

einpoklum wrote:

And what do I look like to you?

You do nothing, you just complain. So I do not count you as a developer.
You do not even write bug reports, which is the correct way to report bugs if you want to contribute to the development of GNU-Linux/Debian/Devuan.

#14 Re: Installation » My Chimaera install issues #1: Forced manual choice of LXQt WM » 2021-07-24 19:14:42

golinux wrote:

You are welcome to provide a patch upstream to offer the option(s) you suggest.  smile

Since GNU-Linux/Debian/Devuan is mostly done by volunteers on a non-profit basis, you can not require them to do anything other than what they are interested in. This means that they skip things they think are unnecessary, such as user-friendliness. Therefore, the use of GNU-Linux/Debian/Devuan requires a great willingness to acquire their own knowledge. This must be respected. If not, then there is Windows. And if you want other solutions than those offered, you have to make them yourself. That's how it works.

#15 Re: Installation » Issues with booting a fresh Beowulf install » 2021-07-11 14:23:51

Are you sure you install Grub to the right disk? It must be the first disk the computer look after at boot, and that is set in BIOS.

The error message you got then you boot Debian, and then goes away, can be that the computer can't find the resume partition. It's the same as the swap partition. (Every new install reformat the swap partition and give it a new uuid. Old systems will not now that, So you must help it understand.) You set it in "/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume". Use the command "blkid" to see your partitions and uuid's.

Don't forget that you can use the install media and start it, in the install media's boot menu, as rescue. The choose the installed partition as root and start a shell there. Mount the EFI partition, if you got one, with "mount /boot/efi". Now you can reinstall Grub with "grub-install", then "update-grub2". Then umount EFI with "umount /boot/efi". Then "exit" to get out of the shell. Then you are on your own... :-)

#16 Re: Installation » Minimal KDE install in Beowulf » 2021-07-11 14:02:57

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Copper36 wrote:

Could it be due to the lack of the drivers' support for my hardware (it is i5 11th gen with Xe GPU)?

11th generation Intel graphics need a newer version of Mesa than is available in beowulf.

You will need at least three packages newer than Beowold to use the 11th generation of Intel processors. In any case, this applies to i7, and I think it also applies to i5.
The packages are:
intel-media-va-driver-non-free for graphics
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … .1.1+ds1-1
firmware-sof-signed for audio
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … gned=1.7-1
firmware iwlwifi for wifi
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … -2~bpo10+1

The easiest way is to add Debian's Experimental to your source list and just run 'aptitude upgrade -t experimental'. That's what I've been running for a few weeks to get the latest KDE and the latest of it all. ;-)

#18 Re: Installation » How is it possible that Java update breaks Trinity DE? » 2021-01-15 17:58:44

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Until there is a vulnerability in glibc that will not be corrected on your system because your version is seen as "newer" than the fixed package — that would then expose pretty much every program on your system to the vulnerability.

You also now won't be able to install any packages in Devuan that depend on libc6 <v2.32 and you may experience strange problems because the Devuan packages are expecting a different API version for glibc.

There is so much you "should not do" with Linux but that I do successfully and without problems. Instead of using virtual environments, I run different environments - XFCE 4, Gnome and KDE - on different partitions with but the same / home where the different configuration files coexist. That's not the way to do it, is it? You should not even test if it works, because it is better to believe than to know.

And plugging in individual program files from Arch solved my problem that some programs could not start with Nvidia, Gnome and Wayland. But it did not cause any problems.
Installing libc from Ubuntu solved my problem with a Firefox plugin. But it did not cause any problems.

As for Trinity, I only used it for a few days. It was when I was using Konqueror to surf that I discovered that Konqueror does not support modern web technologies. Also, I had some general issues with making things work.

Right now I'm trying KDE 5 and am very impressed. Now finally all programs look the same whether it is GTK and QT. But I have not managed to get KDE to run on Wayland, yet. But I'm testing and learning... just for fun...





bimon wrote:
Magnus wrote:

You use the software packages you need no matter where they come from. Should you encounter problems, you solve them or reset the mess.
A few days ago I had to install libc-2.32 and the dependencies from Ubuntu just to solve dependency problems with the Firefox plugin Scrapbee. It works great.
You do not have to be rigid and obey authorities. It is better and more instructive to test yourself.

I prefer to have such things in KVM virtual machines and connect to them via ssh -X, which displays them in Trinity on ASCII.

Magnus wrote:

But Trinity is a mess. Tested it last summer. When I started up and saw it, it was like coming home. I screamed right out. Good old KDE 3. I've been missing it. But after a few days I discovered that most of it was so outdated (there have been a lot of new standards and the like) that it became problematic to use it. Much more problematic than mixing software packages between different distributions and versions.

I have found Trinity the most rock solid reliable DE and still convenient enough at the same time, it looks for me like good old Windows XP I liked so much earlier.
Even Trinity v14.0.6 could display anything I wanted on ASCII and very seldom something from a virtual machine.
It excellently displays Microsoft Office 2010 and other programs from WINE, anything GUI related from Devuan ASCII repo I have ever tried, any Java programs, and I need nothing more.

Can you please indicate what are you missing in Trinity?

As for me I like Trinity on ASCII because I am sure they are so reliably rock solid that I will not stuck with trying to fix many different new things and spend hours/days or even weeks on that what can happen on rolling distros like Arch or even on Devuan testing.
And still ASCII is a very modern OS for me, it has ZFS, security fixes, capable to run anything modern in a KVM VM with Ceres, Arch, GUIX, etc. guests with a narrow subset of specialized software installed on each of them, I almost do not care if anyone from them fails because all of them running from zvols with snapshots.

Until I have created this thread yesterday I even forgot when I had any new unexpected problem with ASCII. But I had to replace KDE by Trinity about a year ago, KDE4 was hardly tolerant (after they changed where settings are kept, in a database instead of files), but KDE5 is a complete mess for me. I am not interested in so rapid progress when they break old things every 3-6 months, I am not a free of charge tester (and not a tester at all) for their DE experiments.

It looks like they do another Windows 10 rebranded as Vulkan+KDE5, if I ever need this mass surveillance probe sometimes for a play, I can temporary start it in a VM on a separated dedicated physical host (like a double or triple condom if someone likes this analogy) to avoid it even run on the same CPU as my valuable data.

#19 Re: Installation » How is it possible that Java update breaks Trinity DE? » 2021-01-10 15:45:13

You use the software packages you need no matter where they come from. Should you encounter problems, you solve them or reset the mess.
A few days ago I had to install libc-2.32 and the dependencies from Ubuntu just to solve dependency problems with the Firefox plugin Scrapbee. It works great.
You do not have to be rigid and obey authorities. It is better and more instructive to test yourself.

But Trinity is a mess. Tested it last summer. When I started up and saw it, it was like coming home. I screamed right out. Good old KDE 3. I've been missing it. But after a few days I discovered that most of it was so outdated (there have been a lot of new standards and the like) that it became problematic to use it. Much more problematic than mixing software packages between different distributions and versions.

#20 Re: Installation » [Ceres] Install mega packages » 2020-12-11 09:31:10

Of course, bad decisions should be avoided. You do this, of course, if you are somewhat intelligent and knowledgeable. But just following the sheep flock does not lead to development. Without individuals who made their own decisions, we would still live in  the Stone Age.

#21 Re: Installation » [Ceres] Install mega packages » 2020-12-08 19:36:47

I thought Linux was about freedom - freedom to do what you want and how you want - not dogmas.
For me, it is the freedom to do things that no one has done or at least told about before. Adding a single package from another distro I consider to be the least freedom you can get. There are much greater freedoms you can enjoy and learn from.

#23 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to make devuan boot with Secure Boot enabled the way antiX does it » 2020-11-30 08:31:49

Ulysses_ wrote:

Incidentally, xubuntu boots. It has these shim packages:
Devuan has these:

shim-helpers-amd64-signed_1+15+1533136590.3beb971+7_amd64.deb
shim-signed_1.33+15+1533136590.3beb971-7_amd64.deb
shim-signed-common_1.33+15+1533136590.3beb971-7_all.deb
shim-unsigned_15+1533136590.3beb971-7_amd64.deb

Install them and a signed kernel.
But if you use nvidia-dkms, you have to sign it yourself. Otherwise it will not load with secure boot.

#24 Re: Documentation » Run Gnome on Wayland with Nvidia drivers on Ceres » 2020-11-24 22:27:40

Now discovered that I could not start Gnome boxes in Wayland. Searched a bit and found that I needed egl-wayland (libnvidia-egl-wayland1) version 1.1.5 + a patch.
Found an Arch package 1.1.5 including the patch at https://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/archlinu … kg.tar.zst
Unpacked the package and manually replaced two Devuan Ceres version 1.1.4 files at "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/" with the package "/usr/lib/libnvidia-egl-wayland.so.1" and "/usr/lib/libnvidia-egl-wayland.so.1.1.5". Also chmod and chown the new files to have the same as the replaced files.
Restarted. Launched Gnome boxes.

#25 Re: Documentation » Run Gnome on Wayland with Nvidia drivers on Ceres » 2020-11-13 07:24:47

zapper wrote:

Well whatever works for you. :0b

Thank you very much for that freedom. You are so kind. ;-)

Board footer

Forum Software