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#1 2021-10-26 17:51:00

ndavilam
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Test Testing version

I would like to test devuan daedalus.
This version still has packages with SystemD?

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#2 2021-10-26 18:37:48

golinux
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#3 2021-10-26 18:54:13

ndavilam
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Re: Test Testing version

Thanks for your help,
But these packages are rebuilt without dependency on systemd or will they never appear in Devuan?
Sorry for my ignorance.

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#4 2021-10-26 19:57:02

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Re: Test Testing version

Those are packages with systemd dependency that are prevented from installing.  Those systemd-dependent packages that are essential for Devuan are forked by Devuan devs.  Devuan-specific as well as forked packages are found here.

If there is a package on that list that you want, you are welcome to  contribute to Devuan by forking it.

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#5 2021-10-26 19:57:32

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Re: Test Testing version

Devuan is free from systemd. Thats the purpose.

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#6 2021-10-27 12:46:10

ndavilam
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Re: Test Testing version

Thank you very much for your help @golinux

golinux wrote:

Those are packages with systemd dependency that are prevented from installing.  Those systemd-dependent packages that are essential for Devuan are forked by Devuan devs.  Devuan-specific as well as forked packages are found here.

If there is a package on that list that you want, you are welcome to  contribute to Devuan by forking it.

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#7 2021-10-27 13:20:58

ndavilam
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Re: Test Testing version

Hi again @golinux,

First, excuse me to change the subject a bit.
Since we are talking about packages, currently Firefox and Thunderbird are at version 78.
How can I contribute builds from newer versions, like 91.


golinux wrote:

Those are packages with systemd dependency that are prevented from installing.  Those systemd-dependent packages that are essential for Devuan are forked by Devuan devs.  Devuan-specific as well as forked packages are found here.

If there is a package on that list that you want, you are welcome to  contribute to Devuan by forking it.

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#8 2021-10-27 15:24:05

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Re: Test Testing version

@ndavilam . . . Devuan does not provide an official way to contribute a "PPA".  However sometimes users will share their builds on the "Off-topic" section of this forum.  For example, in this thread https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3331 tdrnetworks is providing up-to-date php builds without systemd.

But also check the daedalus and ceres repositories.  The latest shiny FF might be there.

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#9 2021-10-27 17:37:05

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Re: Test Testing version

ndavilam wrote:

Hi again @golinux,

First, excuse me to change the subject a bit.
Since we are talking about packages, currently Firefox and Thunderbird are at version 78.
How can I contribute builds from newer versions, like 91.


golinux wrote:

Those are packages with systemd dependency that are prevented from installing.  Those systemd-dependent packages that are essential for Devuan are forked by Devuan devs.  Devuan-specific as well as forked packages are found here.

If there is a package on that list that you want, you are welcome to  contribute to Devuan by forking it.

I am using Ubuntuzilla repo for latest Firefox since ascii release. It installs on /opt; thus isolating from Devuan/Debian installation path. 
You can use following lines in /etc/apt/sources.list:

I cannot absolutely guarantee it, since it's a 3rd party repository. YMMV.

# Ubuntuzilla for Firefox browser
 deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main

If the above auto resolver persistently selects slow mirrors, try below line, instead of above:

 deb https://altushost-swe.dl.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main

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#10 2021-10-27 17:46:27

golinux
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Re: Test Testing version

From: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages

Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc, should NOT be used directly.

Personally, I would never touch anything from the 'buntus.

But your choice and you get to keep all the pieces.  smile

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#11 2021-10-28 11:48:09

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Re: Test Testing version

golinux wrote:

But your choice and you get to keep all the pieces.  smile

Some day even you will be able to handle the pieces. It's all about experience.

I thought we had a forum like this to, among other things, develop and learn new things, not to be negative about new ideas and progress. But I'm so incredibly blown away and stupid so I do things that I feel like to test and learn, not that other say I should do.

Last edited by Magnus (2021-10-28 11:53:40)

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#12 2021-10-28 14:08:09

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Re: Test Testing version

Magnus wrote:

I thought we had a forum like this to, among other things, develop and learn new things, not to be negative about new ideas and progress.

The OP is running a production system. It's not a game for them.


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#13 2021-10-29 08:34:00

Magnus
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Re: Test Testing version

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The OP is running a production system. It's not a game for them.

I'm totally too infused with Linux Torvalds book "Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary" and I'm sure many more than I on this forum use their computer for both work and pleasure.

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#14 2021-10-29 12:16:49

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Re: Test Testing version

Magnus wrote:

I'm totally too infused with Linux Torvalds book "Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary" and I'm sure many more than I on this forum use their computer for both work and pleasure.

Do you distinguish between two things, sir?  A production system and develop and learn new things?


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