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#1 Re: Devuan » Devuan 4 Alpha Installer Iso's » 2021-05-05 15:11:21

Just tested the most recent installer iso: … nstall.iso
(Alpha from May 3rd, 2021)
on the same Dell PC Optiplex 990 PC

- UEFI / GPT mode (with secure boot disabled of course)
- Standard Install
- Chose Cinnamon Desktop, OpenRC
--> worked very well
(had to add the non-free firmware-amd-graphics for the AMD GPU)

And once again the same with the XFCE4 Desktop.

Everything works well, though anacron still stalls the shutdown process occasionally.
I therefor just disable the service to be happy.
Thanks for that good progress you make.

#2 Re: Installation » networking » 2021-05-04 14:16:49

Just a hint: be sure to type in the password correctly. That requires a correct keyboard setup!!
The WiFi PreShared Keys are, of course, case sensitive.
Good luck.

#3 Re: Devuan » Devuan 4 Alpha Installer Iso's » 2021-04-20 13:52:58

Here my experiences with the new installer iso:

1. An old Dell PC Optiplex 780
- BIOS / MBR mode
- Expert Install (standard install didn't start)
- Chose Cinnamon Desktop, OpenRC
--> worked very well
(only had a hick-up with the keyboard selection, it worked correctly in X but not on text console. Fixed it with a dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration)

2. A newer Dell PC Optiplex 990
- UEFI / GPT mode (with secure boot disabled of course)
- Standard Install
- Chose Cinnamon Desktop, OpenRC
--> worked very well
(had to add the non-free firmware-amd-graphics for the AMD GPU)

I tested to install a second DE on both machines: XFCE4 using the tasksel program, and it went very well.
Is there a chance to get rid of the installation of anacron by default? That thing still does delay enormously the shutdown, occasionally.

--> Conclusion: it's already very good for me, thank you for that very pleasant and successful adventure

#4 Re: Installation » Devuan and Secure Boot » 2021-04-05 10:55:24

Micronaut, do yourself a favour:
Either leave your system in classic BIOS-mode and your disk in MBR mode, and you will have no negative consequences. (My own experience with a 10 years old HP elitebook pro).
If yours is enough recent, you may re-initialize your laptop, Set BIOS settings to factory defaults, then enable EFI/UEFI-boot, your Intel Virtualisation options to your needs and DISABLE SECURE BOOT (=disable TPM). Then wipe the disk and initialize the disk with a GPT label. When you now install Devuan, it will be in UEFI/EFI mode and it should work.
But if your PC works well in your current setup, there is no harm in using it that way.

#5 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] My Devuan is sluggish. » 2021-03-22 11:44:24

Is your GNOME desktop running in "fallback" mode?
If yes, make sure your graphics controller is supported or install the non-free firmware drivers. Gnome needs 3D acceleration.
It's just my thought, but possibly off-track.
Good luck.

#6 Re: Installation » devuan fresh installation on HP laptop fails to load graphical desktop » 2021-03-14 11:26:24

Does this mean that our friend "nomorelogic" will have to wait for Devuan 4 Chimaera to come out on an install-able iso?
(With a more recent kernel, then...)

#7 Re: Installation » [Closed] Several problems installing 3.1.0 » 2021-03-11 18:45:52

there is one thing to mention:
If you set the motherboard to CSM mode, then you are well advised to install  in NON-UEFI mode!
If you set the motherboard to UEFI mode, then you MUST disable the "secure boot" option and install in UEFI (EFI) mode.
You can choose the install-mode  when you boot your stick afresh.
The Devuan installers handle these things quite well, usually... so is my experience with it.
I know, it's possible to fiddle with CSM disk mode and EFI boot, or in UEFI mode with classic (CSM) boot. If you succeed, all the better, but expect upgrades, migration or parallel-installs to fail.
I have learned that the hard way: EFI is fine, CSM is fine, but UEFI (secureboot) is a portal to hell.

#8 Re: Installation » devuan fresh installation on HP laptop fails to load graphical desktop » 2021-03-11 12:39:55

If Head_on_a_Stick tells you "What is your CPU? If it starts with 10 or 11 then you're shit out of luck with beowulf.",
it makes the matter a serious one.
Is it at all possible to start a fresh install from an USB stick and NOT install a graphics environment?
If so, why not to start in text mode, connect to the internet and edit your sources.list file as instructed?
I hope if you did an
sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade
sudo apt install firmware-linux-nonfree

after the installation, in this order.
Then you could try to install the xorg and desktop stuff, from the command-line. Some experience is required here, but it's doable.
Another way could be to upgrade to chimaera, which hopefully has a newer kernel that supports your CPU/GPU.
I hope I do not annoy you, I know how such problems can rattle the nerves...
BTW, my CPU is a older one: an i7 from 2012, so no problems here.
Anyway, good luck.

#9 Re: Installation » devuan fresh installation on HP laptop fails to load graphical desktop » 2021-03-09 11:26:30

I own a HP elitebook PC (Hewlett-Packard HP EliteBook 8460p/161C)
and it runs like a charm with Devuan Beowulf.
All I can say is this:
- first of all, make sure you reset all BIOS-settings to default,
- then make sensible changes you wish to it.
- then, if UEFI boot mode is used, disable "Secure Boot" (That means DO NOT USE THE TPM)
You can use classic BIOS mode as well (CHS-mode for the disks). It's less tricky.
Then install normally.
Do you have any special graphics processor on board? Intel chips work well, but be careful if there is a NVIDIA or AMD GPU.
Good luck.

#10 Re: Installation » [Solved] libpolkit-qt-5-1-1 kept back after ASCII --> Beowulf upgrade » 2021-02-19 16:48:46

Hello Altoid et all...
I remember this issue from dev ASCII days. Here is a very helpful post:
I use the Cinnamon Desktop which implies the lightdm Display Manager. But, the consolekit and logind question is the same.
Once you resolve the thing in ASCII properly, there is nothing in the way to an
sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade
sudo apt dist-upgrade
sudo apt auto-remove
anymore. I could repeat it on ASCII systems using XFCE4 and Cinnamon systems.
I have followed fred43's instructions to the letter and I was successful.
Good luck.

#11 Re: Installation » wicd broke when I changed unstable from stable, how do I install NM? » 2020-12-20 17:01:35

Just my tiny hint: Devuan ASCII and Beowulf both work perfectly well with OpenRC and Network-Manager, as with SysV-Init. Never had a problem with nm on Devuan.

#12 Re: News & Announcements » Testing for beowulf 3.1 point release » 2020-12-14 09:48:27

thank you for your answer.
Again, I only had the problem with the live-iso (refracta installer) the first time.
The machine is a Dell Optiplex GX780, a BIOS/MBR machine.
A Windows 7 is installed on it, and a lot of free space for Linux is availble.

Layout /dev/sda: (Disklabel DOS )
/dev/sda1    100M    ntfs        System reserved
/dev/sda2    100G    ntfs        Windows7

I booted the mentioned live-iso and performed the installation.

Layout /dev/sda: (Disklabel DOS)
/dev/sda1    100M    ntfs        System reserved
/dev/sda2    100G    ntfs        Windows7
/dev/sda3    1G            ext3        /boot
/dev/sda4    extended   
/dev/sda5    40G            ext4        /
/dev/sda6    80G            ext4        /home
/dev/sda7    8G            swap    swap

After the installation
I installed the grub-package as instructed and tried to do the "sudo grub-install /dev/sda".
This resulted in an error message the device /dev/sda not being available.

I then rebooted the system and found myself in Windows again.
So I rebooted from a standard Devuan3.0 Beowulf installer-iso to the maintenance mode.

From there I could perform the
grub-install /dev/sda
and everything was fine.

Now, that the disk had a GRUB bootblock, I repeated the live-iso refracta installer again, including the dpkg -i grub-pc...., grub-install and update-grub and it was a success.
Unfortunately, the log of the first, failed attempt was lost due to the second installation.

I guess had I installed the first time on a wiped disk with no Windows using the live-iso I would have been successful right away.

I suggest not to invest a lot of time into that issue, since the true installer always works well and the installer on the live-isos were repeatedly slightly troublesome.

Hopefully that information is not too messy.... thank you for your thoughts. Andre

#13 Re: News & Announcements » Testing for beowulf 3.1 point release » 2020-12-13 12:07:47

Hello all, hello fsmithred,
late, but finally done, I tested the 2 procedures as you asked for in your original post.

1. - Updating a perfectly working Beowulf (Devian3) machine (EFI) worked very well. A few packages were updated, and I'm glad to see that the Devuan bugreport  #438 has been dealt with. Great. (The issue with the lightdm greeter's greyed activity menus)

2. - I have downloaded the installer iso and tested it on another machine: (refracta installer devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_2020-11-30_amd64_desktop-live.iso)
The iso and the installer worked, but: A: I had troubles getting the grub-install working. I have resolved it by doing it manually in a maintenance boot-session.
This was on a BIOS/MBR machine.
Then, when installing lightdm, the old bug #438 re-appeared. (I'm quite confident the definitive installer isos -devuan 3.1- will have that fixed too.)

I hope this information to be useful. It comes from a user's perspective.
I'm very happy to work with Devuan Linux.
Greetings, Andre4freedom

#14 Re: Other Issues » Flushing cached data in RAM » 2020-07-24 16:12:52

sync, my friend, is the answer.
do a "man sync" first and rtfm.
Obviously, you should run it as root or using sudo.
Should you have a hardware RAID controller, the data will not be flushed from the controller-cache to the disks!
Sync flushes disk-data from the main memory (system RAM) only.
Hope that helps.

#15 Re: Installation » How to get java8 on devuan3? » 2020-07-03 17:15:28

Hello IdeaFix and all,
in the repos for Devuan Beowulf you can find the package nvidia-openjdk-8-jre.
I use it for programs that only run on Java 8. I think it's worth testing.
For programs that only run on Java 8 and NOT on Java 11 (from whatever source), nvidia-openjdk-8-jre could be your solution and you could stick to Devuan 3 / Beowulf. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Good luck! - Andre

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » keyboard qwerty italian » 2020-06-04 16:02:05

Have you tried this?
sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

This worked every-time for me, setting up the console keyboard and the X11 configuration.

The there is
sudo setupcon
But I never had to use that.
Good luck.

#17 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf 3.0.0 is here! » 2020-06-04 07:21:25

Thank you all!!
You have done an extraordinary job to make an extraordinarily good OS even better!
Good luck for all your further undertakings. I sure will follow Devuan and will try to help using the forums etc.

#18 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-24 11:26:30

I have tested the RC just after my post, and yes, now it's the "devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_RC_netinstall-amd64.iso", and it shows the exactly same results, so my comment is valid for the RC as well.
Devuan is really great. Just don't forget to read the release notes. Thanks to all.

#19 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-21 10:57:35

I've just tested the devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta3_netinstall-amd64 iso.
Looks good.
It's important to check the release notes.
I tested netinstall, selecting the Cinnamon DE and OpenRC
The few things to note:
1. I had to add " non-free contrib" to /etc/apt/sources.list to get firmware-amd-graphics (No problem)
2. Language settings / locales were respected (Great)
3. Lightdm-greeter had to be edited. Bug 438 is closed and fix will be backported to Beowulf. Thanks to the maintainer. (It's in the release-notes)
4. /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf must be modified. (It's in the release-notes)
5. Every other thing is just "smooth sailing". Beowulf is very robust and reliable. Thanks to the Devuaners!

#20 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-06 15:07:27

Thank you, fsmithred!
I'm very happy with the Devuan linux and I recommend it to everyone.

#21 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-06 09:12:11

Testing the new isos Beta2: devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta2_amd64_desktop-live.iso

Result: great. far better that beta1. The only bug I have detected I have just filed a bugreport for: lightdm.
Here are my comments for those interested:
Installed a new system on a Dell Optiplex GX780 (BIOS/MBR)

1. Created new user
2. Login as new user:
--> Message: Unable to contact the Wicd daemon due to an access denied error from DBus. Please check that your user is in the netdev group.

3. sudo usermod -aG netwdev andre

4. Login as new user:
--> Problem still there.

5. Installed lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings

6. Reboot and login using lightdm:
--> OK, but actions-menu-entries still greyed.
--> Wicd message gone, --> problem gone

7. Corrected:
    sudo vi /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter
    changed line to: session   optional (I have filed a bugreport for that)

8. Reboot --> actions-menu-entries now working on login screen

9: /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf
    is corrected in this release. Great! Bravo!

10. Synaptic: added Cinnamon

11. Reboot and login (Cinnamon): works perfectly well.

12. Bug: Installer did not respect locale settings, corrected:
--> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales

13. Missing software: Java Runtime 8 (jre8)
    (where is the nvidia-openjdk-8-jre package?)

Andre, May 5, 2020


#22 Re: Installation » Beowulf Beta Issues » 2020-04-09 15:51:05

To the "su -" question:
it makes perfect sense to use "su -" to get the root's path.
To use just "su" helps to replace the user that executes a program.
That's the way it was invented and had to be used in the olden days of Unix already.
su = substitute user (uses root when no user given, - executes new users login-shell, the man pages help!)
Cheers to all.

#23 Re: Installation » Beowulf Beta Issues » 2020-04-08 09:10:39

I think lafat is right to post installation issues here....?
I'd like to add my few notes about the most recent Beowulf-beta installation media.

devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_desktop-live iso: (march 13, 2020)
- All the install-process goes pretty well,
- The live iso recognizes the AMD radeon graphics chip correctly (great!)
- The refracta-installer does it's job
- Installation of the GRUB Boot loader (on a MBR-BIOS system) completely fails:
- System not bootable

devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_desktop iso : (march 13, 2020)
- text-installer (ok)
- process works quite well, as usual
- does not install AMD radeon graphics xorg driver (can be done at the command-line)
- installer does NOT honour language and keyboard settings after reboot (can be fixed...)
- when choosing cinnamon desktop:
-- /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter still not correct (uses instead of
-- /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf still wrong (comment out: autospawn=no)

My productive desktop and laptop systems all use Beowulf, but after installation of Ascii and upgrading them to Beowulf. And then they run like a charm (very happy).
Servers are still on Ascii, the run very well. Everything runs with Open-RC.
I think Devuan is still the best and I love it.
Thank you all!

#24 Re: News & Announcements » Migrating from Buster to Beowulf - feedback needed » 2020-02-12 12:25:28

Dear Admins, dear Members,
as requested, here my experience with Beowulf.
I always use the Cinnamon desktop and OpenRC. Starting with a fresh install of ASCII 2.1.
Of course, that installs NetworkManager, Lightdm and all, which I'm happy with.
I have Beowulf running on PCs, laptops and servers and couldn't be happier. Updates never broke my systems.

Here the steps I used to update from ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf:
1. Install Devuan Ascii (2.1)
   (install all updates and upgrades: sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade; reboot)

2. sudo vi /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter
   --> ...
   --> # Setup session
   --> session   required
   --> #session   optional
   --> session   optional

3. sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
   --> # comment the "deb cdrom:...= - line
   --> # Replace every word ascii with the word beowulf

4. sudo apt udate
5. sudo apt upgrade
6. sudo apt dist-upgrade
7. sudo apt autoremove

8. reboot
9. vi sudo vi /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf
   --> # On linux systems, disable autospawn by default
   --> # If you are not using systemd, comment out this line
   --> #autospawn=no

10. logout - login --> ok

The only wish I have is to get the cinnamon tool to install and configure languages. I'm quite happy with English, but some users prefer French or German when they log in.

A big thank to the Devuan Team - a real high-light in this increasingly "complex" world.

#25 Re: Other Issues » Is VirtualBox (or alternative) in the repo? » 2020-01-12 11:10:29

Simple answer: YES
You must have (and you have) 64bit Intel or AMD x86 hardware. You can run client-VMs in 64bit and 32bit mode.
Works very well on ASCII.
Just install qemu-kvm and its dependencies from the ascii repos and you are fine.
Don't forget to install virt-manager too! it helps a lot.
Good luck

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